Last one was pro-immigration/anti-racism. Maybe this will have an anti-gun or pro-trans message?
shareWhich left wing message did the other film have that you objected to? Surely you are not against a pro-immigrant anti-racism message? Didn't you descend from immigrants in the USA? You're not pro-racism are you?
shareYou realize this is a remake of The Last of Sheila 1973 movie with James Coburn. I think you’re jumping the gun. No pun.
shareWell, a male-to-male gay relation was part of that movie, so a trans theme is not out of the question based on your post
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_Sheila
Yes. There were gay people 50 yrs ago. This movie is a gem. See or don’t see it. The James Coburn character is cruel and wealthy and is toying with his guests. He gets them to play a game and each get a card about a secret. Filmed in south of France.
Shoplifter. Homosexual. Ex-Convict. Informer. And the little child molester. Something else. The secret is in one of them. Spells out SHEILA.
So sorry why are we talking about this movie again? There was no gay theme and there was no trans theme in this movie. This is a solid Murder mystery. Reasons for murder. Vengeance. Jealousy. Money. Witnesses. Theft. Love. Secrets. That’s the theme. That’s in this movie. I’ve no idea what Glass Onion is about. But I can’t wait to see it. the first one was really well done. I hope they just keep making them.
As I read the description and cast I think I have seen TLOS, but don't remember anything about it.
shareI tried to see if anyone can stream it, and I can’t find it. Just looking at the locations is worth seeing in south of France - Antibes. Raquel Welch is in it for those who don’t know much about her. But it is the devilish and really despicable (character wise) James Coburn that makes this movie. Maybe it will come back out. The catacombs/caverns scene is spectacular in the old monastery.
shareIt is not a remake of The Last Of Sheila.
shareI corrected it in a subsequent post after I saw it.
shareThe Last of Sheila is a really good movie, though. And there are some similarities and obvious influences in Glass Onion.
shareYes. I loved it. And no one has seen it. Actually. I loved Last of Sheila better. No one does it better than Coburn. And then you are in the south of France. Anthony Perkins was one of the writers.
Also Glass Onion (which I think he used this title as an excuse to play the Beatles’ song) has some similarities. Very remote tho to Agatha Christie’s And Then There Were None. Really iffy. Spoilers. In that someone who is thought of as dead. Isn’t.
Yes, it's a fine movie. I also enjoyed Coburn in the film. It's one of his best roles in the 70's.
And as you mention, the screenplay was written by - and this is so cool - Anthony Perkins and Stephen Sondheim. People probably have no idea why Steven Sondheim is in Glass Onion, but that's the reason.
I find it fascinationg that Anthony Perkins was such a talented writer, and that he and Sondheim, according to imdb, used to host murder mystery scavenger hunts for their friends in New York during the late 1960s and early 1970s. Too bad they never wrote a follow up to The Last of Sheila.
I love this response. Very informative for me. I didn’t know that. I can’t imagine being at one of those gatherings of murder scavenger hunt mysteries. How much fun did Perkins and Sondheim have in writing that movie. Just lots of fun and interesting stuff. And there are so many murder mysteries coming out everywhere currently. Everyone appreciates a good murder mystery. I do wish they would do more Maigret. The not so famous ones.
So even tho Glass Onion is not modeled after The Last of Sheila, do you think they took some of the concepts of TLoS and even And Then There Were None - just to kind of have a bare bones beginning.
Same here, I would have loved to have joined one of those mystery games created by smart and clever artists like Perkins and Sondheim.
I have never seen Maigret, actually. I see there is a series with Rowan Atkinson. I will have to check it out.
Maigret is essentially French (although Simenon was Belgian) but the British love doing this series. Over and over. There was another one in the 90s with Michael Gabon. Of course there was Bruno Cremer’s as well which was French. There are several series. Many in different countries just not US. Rowan’s was canceled. I’m not sure if they’re going to continue with a different actor. There are over 75 books but they seem to do the same ones over and over. Depardieu just did a new movie. Maigret and the Dead Girl. Jean Gabin did three Maigret movies. There is a new release of DVDs back in the 60s remastered with Rupert Davies. Maigret is different than Poirot. It’s just more fascinating to me.
shareWow, thanks for the info. That is a lot of incarnations. Which one do you think is the definitive?
shareI’ll check out Rupert Davies. Simenon thought this to be the best while he was alive. I like Bruno’s. But they couldn’t film in Paris and filmed instead in Prague. I think Maigret should be in French and filmed in 30s-50s Paris. And Maigret is a pipe smoking large in stature man so casting is important. Even if you don’t see it, reading these books or listening to audiobooks are great. Simenon is a great writer. There are a lot of movies based on his books that are not about Maigret.
shareTHAT MURDER IS BAD I SUPPOSE. NOEMOJI
shareJust saw this movie - Glass Onion - and it is really fun. This message in this one is greed. I think this movie and Bullet Train are both really fun movies that are well written, with lots of characters, really colorful. The last Knives Out movie was also fun. The message in the first one too was one of money and an inheritance nightmare. Love these murder mysteries that are done so well and I expect this 2nd Knives Out will be that there will be more to come. This is a good franchise. I think the title Glass Onion was an excuse to play The Beatles’ song Glass Onion at the end which I was happy to hear. And the glass onion Greek hilltop abode was straight out of a James Bond villain’s house.
shareGreed and murder are bad. Should not be a revelation for you.
shareThe first Knives Out was disgustingly woke, with its anti-white racism, anti-Western propaganda and pro-illegal immigration messaging.
I’ve only watched half of Glass Onion so far and it has already stooped so low as to make Daniel Craig’s hero gay - no way was Ruin Johnson going to allow his lead to be a straight white male. So far all the whites are various forms of dufus while the ‘minorities’ are level-headed, sympathetic and victims of scummy white people.
If Johnson is smart then he’ll use the wokeness as a ruse and feature some non-white villains, but I suspect he’s too far into the woke cult to allow himself that, which is a shame because you can easily predict where things are going, who’s villainous and who’s a victim.
Johnson is undoubtedly a very skilled director, it’s a shame that his talent is subsumed by the fact that he’s a racist, woke prick.
whats wrong with a Left Wing Evolve that choice has always existed the choice to be better which is Left Wing #Biden2024
shareAre you saying the first one wasn't nationalistic, white supremacy propaganda? How awful!
shareThat's not at all what I said
shareThe first one was about the corruption of inherited wealth.
The new one is about the corruption of sudden "unearned" new wealth. (Noveau riche.) Which a lot of people seem to get in these internet/influencer based times.
Late in the film, Craig's detective goes out of his way to keep calling one of the rich characters "an idiot," and "a buffoon." This is one of the complaints about some of today's billionaires. That they really weren't all that smart, just lucky and given sudden access to billions for little real effort. (Not true, though -- or we would all be billiionaires.)
On the "left wing" thing:
I recall a reporter asking Michael Douglas if Hollywood was too liberal an industry. Douglas' answer:
"There are a lot of conservative industries. What's wrong with having one industry that's liberal?" His point seemed to be: sorry, that's how it is here.
Of course, there are fewer conservative industries today.
I recall how, back in the 70s, all that Jane Fonda and others had to do was wait for the older generation to retire and/or die. Conservative stars like James Stewart, John Wayne, and -- not many more, James Cagney and Cary Grant were Republicans in their later years but not working. And they weren't replaced by a new generation of actors. Of course, Jane Fonda and Michael Douglas were the children of liberal stars Henry Fonda and Kirk Douglas.