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Why didn't she get a job?


Yeah, I know. Maybe that's the point of the movie, that she's just a regular person who's out of cash -- but still, I just couldn't buy it. Couldn't suspend the ol' disbelief. If Wendy were disabled in some way (physical or mental), or if she couldn't read, or if she were a drug addict, etc., then I could buy it. But there was nothing tragically wrong with this character. So why couldn't she get a job before she left for Alaska? She seemed quite good with living severely under her means, so if she worked as a supermarket stock person for a month, she could've had a couple thousand before she made her journey.

It seems obvious to me that the filmmaker wanted the audience to be sympathetic to Wendy, but I just couldn't do it, despite Michelle Williams' wonderful low-key performance. There wasn't enough setup about her previous situation that made her plight believable.

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They point out in the movie that the town doesn't have very many jobs and on top of that they mention she needs a home address to work.

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This is one of the reasons why Thomas Jefferson advised Americans to seek their fortune as "private farmers" who lived off the land. When you do that, you are truly free, and don't need to depend upon somebody else for survival (i.e. a job).

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Wendy could have earned a few thousand dollars from welfare, food stamps, et cetera. Many people have come to the realization that government benefits equate to $10/hour income, so why bother working for just $6/hour? Wendy could take advantage of the U.S. government's safety net, rather than just rely solely on herself.





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electrictroy, you can't just say, "Hey, I would like some welfare and food stamps." You have to qualify for them. Since she had no children and was not disabled, there is very little she could have gotten from the government. She could possibly have gotten a little food from a local food shelf, but that is it.

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Electictroy:

This is one of the reasons why Thomas Jefferson advised Americans to seek their fortune as "private farmers"


You seem to be living two or three centuries ago.

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I dont know how well grocery stores pay where you live but getting a couple of grand in a month for stocking shelves is not possible

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I am not really disagreeing with anybody here but I think good points are made on both sides of the arguement.

The small town she lived in didn't have an abundance of jobs -- this was made clear. Also, I used to live in a small town and unless there is a factory that employs most of the community -- jobs are not prevalent in small-town America. My hometown had two thousand people in it and was blessed with having an air-conditioning unit factory -- we didn't have fast food job or anything else. Jobs were available, yes ... but not many.

Also, I have to admit that one COULD earn a couple of thousand dollars while stocking shelves at a grocery store (this wouldn't be unheard of) -- nightstock employees are paid quite decently to do a job like this that require no major set of skills. Also, in Califonia, grocery store employees belong to unions and are paid nicely. This is most definitely possible (to earn $2000 in a month) and isn't far-fetched like trustkill2000 seems to believe. But, trustkill2000 (this is where you are right), in order for this to happen one would have to work at that job and have NO other expenses going out. Maybe this is what you meant, I don't know. One can earn this amount of money easily but saving it is totally different. The character in the movie couldn't have saved a couple of thousand dollars because she would have had to pay bills and have a place to live and would have had to eat etc. One could only make and save this kind of money if he/she didn't have other financial requirements/commitments.

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When she made that one phone call to Indiana, you could tell that was probably her only family (with one very hostile person) and she would defintely have had to pay room & board, so saving $2,000 in a month wouldn't have been easy. She did have about $500, but that was to be for the remaining trip to Alaska, and setting up living there. (In other words, it woulda been gone in 60 seconds.)
But--(*SPOILER*) would anyone, especially a girl, take a chance on traveling by boxcar? With unsavory and insane or desperate men as possible passengers?
Fear might've made her use $60 to take a bus as far as she could go.
But I loved her anyway.

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Statistically the farther a women is away from her home of origin the safer she is. Men are more victims of random deadly violence.

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you certainly need to share the figures that made you make this pronouncement. that's utter nonsense.

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the old why don't homeless people get jobs line lol

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I think what the movie does--and this is something so current that I don't think any other American artist right now is even attempting to deal with it--is show that getting a job these days is not nearly as possible as it used to be. I don't mean to cast any dispersions here, as I have no idea who you are, but I would venture the guest that your situation may be different than Wendy's and those of millions of other young people today who, regardless of education, experience, work history, references, professional attitude, attire, etc., simply cannot find work right now. People are calling it a recession, but let's face facts and realize that we're growing closer and closer to a subtle kind of depression that will soon rival the economic inclemency of the 30's. And as someone coming from that world and from just having spent four months in the Oregon area, I can tell you that the line about, "you can't get a job without a job, you can't get an address without an address" is completely viable, and I know is not limited only to that area. I myself was well educated and have an impressive work history for someone my age, and I found it near impossible to find a routine office temp gig or work at a retail store. I would have been extremely depressed about this... until I discovered inestimable crops of other young people, who had graduated from the best schools in the country, who had been engineers, architects, business prodigies, who either because they were laid-off or because they simply decided to try out a new city, suddenly couldn't even find work as janitors. This reality completely pervaded the marketplace, and hearing from friends in LA, New York, and other cities, I know we weren't alone here.

There may have been a time when an itinerant traveler could just pop into a storefront and get a simple job washing dishes or stocking groceries. The problem is that these days, 1) A lot of small-time Mom & Pop shops simply can't afford to pay any new employees and in fact are laying off many of their staff members, 2) Corporate stores have very long hiring processes that can sometimes take up to three months and require a great deal of Internet access for online personality tests and the like, 3) A lot of local businesses smartly do not want to invest time or money in short-term hires at present.

Anyone who has attempted to find work in a new town will completely empathize with what Wendy goes through and would know that, frankly, looking for a job would only be a waste of time and money (photocopies of resumes, cleansing utilities, perhaps a new shirt, etc.). It's so axiomatic that a job isn't an option that the director doesn't bother to bring it up. It would be as extraneous as Wendy trying to win the Lottery or entering a singing contest to win $50 or something.

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You make some valid points but the movie itself completely fails to make a point because it's impossible to care about Wendy or sympathize with her due to the fact that she acts like a complete moron throughout the film.
- She gets a dog in the first place in spite of the fact she obviously can't afford to look after it and neither can her family, the phone call tells as much.
- She shoplifts a couple dog treats..worth it in the end, considering that she has to pay $50 more? No, not worth it, retarded.
- She drives her car until it completely dies and becomes too expensive to fix. It probably would have been cheap to fix early on.
- When the old man suggests that she leaves a shirt that last place she saw her dog she seems surprised. A shirt? Really? And they came back? As if it's some sort of astounding revelation that dogs actually HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF SMELL.
But saying that finding a job would be "as extraneous as Wendy trying to win the Lottery" is really incredibly retarded because I'm pretty sure it's a lot easier to become a DISHWASHER at a restaurant than it is to win the lottery. You - and ALL the idiot people like Wendy in the world - need to get a sense of reality.

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Haha you must be really young and naive because you get really easily worked up. "What's your PROBLEM?! She didn't take your charity" has to be one of the funniest replies I've ever got. My PROBLEM concerns the credibility of the movie. My PROBLEM is with poorly developed characters; characters that are not believable; characters that act like simpletons.
And by the way, the clothes thing wasn't "Far fetched" and if you bothered actually reading my post you would know I wasn't saying that the clothes thing was far fetched; I was saying that Wendy was a total moron for being so surprised by the clothes thing and not making the logical connection between dogs having a GOOD SENSE OF SMELL (something that 99.9% of people know).
Secondly, I have to agree with another poster who wrote that Wendy would not have what it takes to work in Alaska and would most likely not find a job there. Most jobs that are available in Alaska involve hard physical labour, construction, oil rigs, etc. Any company hiring for that sort of labor will always give the job to a physically fit healthy male rather than a skinny, homeless girl who obviously doesn't have the strength to work outdoors in the freezing cold.
I think the writer of this movie accidentally created a character who comes across as dumb, slow, irresponsible, and immature, which is a shame because had Wendy's character been better developed and had the movie actually had a plot, then it could have made a good statement about capitalism and the current economic environment. Unfortunately, it totally FAILS.

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I took it that she was a 'normal' girl, materially speaking (modest income & accommodation or at least scraping by) who had fallen on hard times - so she'd presumably got the dog and car when she could, ostensibly, afford to maintain them. The film seems to be illustrating how (easily) people can slip through the cracks, socially and mentally, so she has to have something to lose at the start of the story.

Ie, she still maintains a degree of personal grooming - changing her underwear and washing her face etc - so she hasn't totally lost the concept of personal comfort or social obligations; she also bothers to maintain a scribbled budget throughout the film, so she at least has some notion of fiscal responsibility... but she makes some very strange choices which illustrate either a fragile mental state or outright desperation: she steals a treat for her dog because she's so hard up but then pays for a taxi to go and see her, etc. It's something of a melodrama in this way, in that tiny events which seemed avoidable at first rapidly tumble out of control, but it's underplayed enough to seem like a realistically bad (albeit extremely bad) day.

However, it's also balanced out with enough milk of human kindness to illustrate how easily she could *not* slip through the cracks, if only more people cared a little more.

For the record - I know a tonne of great people with impeccable work histories who are being turned down for jobs they could do in their sleep at the moment, so I imagine if you had no home address, no phone number and no transport, let alone no smart clothes and hadn't showered for weeks, you'd be utterly screwed.

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I find your use of the word "retarded" to be offensive. Also, it appears you lack empathy in general. I would feel sorry for you, but it's hard to feel empathy for someone who is narcissistic to the point of jerkiness.

I can't expect others to share my virtues, it's good enough for me if they share my vices.

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@Kilickberg Now in 2010, even with a degree from an Ivy League school you can't even get into the moat basic job, such as landscaping, because illegal immigrants have you outcompeted in every way, ditto for the moving gig, the trash collating gig, the janitor gig etc. Mom and pop stores won't even cover the bills for an apartment in many cities, even ones that supposedly "need" people in demographically challenged states.
You have to be a well connected local to get any work outside of work the illegals do. For example, I know someone who works at a bar/music club and has bogged this job for 7 years now, anyone from out of town has literally years long waiting lists.
The only other way to make money is through the drug trade. Right now, people are making an boatload of money taking marijuana cross the border underwater.
So, you either make little to no money and have little hope, or you make a decent living off the black market while making a huge gamble on your freedom. Things are getting to be depression like here in rural America. Try going to any town in upstate NY! It's worse than many ghettos.

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Thanks for all posters for writing such pointed and meaningful reponses. I do agree with most of what's been said -- without question, this film brings up how bad the recession has been for people, especially those in the lower/lowest echelon, and for that it should be commended. And I do commend it hugely -- movies like this simply aren't made, and they should be.

Even if Wendy were to find a job stocking shelves, which may pay $8 an hour (a few bucks above minimum wage), I understand that saving that money wouldn't have been easy, but for the _character_ of Wendy, I beg to differ. She was someone who could live in her car, going to gas station bathrooms to wash herself, eat very little. $8x40x4 = $1320, which isn't a couple thousand, especially if you take account of taxes, but she seemed like the sort of person who could live way under her means and save almost all of it. So in two month's time, she could've had $2000 in her pocket. I'm assuming that in those two months, she's either living in her car or she's living with her sister.

The bit about no job, no address makes perfect sense; when I made my original comment, I didn't mean why she hadn't gotten a job where she was currently at, but rather why she hadn't gotten a job before she left on her journey to Alaska.

But maybe I'm just giving Wendy too much credit. After all, she chose to steal from the supermarket instead of paying for the goods, so it's not as if she's someone who thinks clearly before acting. But for me, the problem remains that we just don't know enough about her. I have a feeling this was what the filmmaker wanted to do, to portray as little back story as possible to accentuate the element of "everywoman" in Wendy, but by paring her history to such essential levels, I fear the believability of her situation was compromised.

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SJW, I believe you don't have the level of credibility to make the comments you are. I don't think you have even the remotest bit of experience dealing with the things Wendy does in the movie. I don't think you've ever been hungry enough to steal. I don't think you've been poor enough to not have a hot shower available to you. I don't think you've personally associated with people that have gone through this enough to truly empathize. Therefore, your evaluation that she "could've made it" or that "she's [not] someone who thinks clearly before acting" is unfounded.

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EmilioJr -- you are absolutely correct in assuming that I haven't gone through any of the terrible things Wendy goes through in this picture. But I'm talking about how the movie worked or did not work for me as a movie, not as something that actually happened. Even though "Wendy and Lucy" is talking about some very important things, we shouldn't forget the fact that this is a work of fiction. You can apply as much verisimilitude as you wish, but this is an actress portraying a character. Williams's performance is right on target, but all I'm saying is that a little back story would've gone a long way. For me. For you, I can see it worked just fine.

For example, take a movie like Ordinary People. I have never seen my brother drown to his death, but I don't question the emotional upheavel Timothy Hutton goes through. In a movie or in any work of fiction, it's the job of the filmmaker or the writer to keep that dream going -- to keep any questions from the audience from coming up. For me, questions kept coming up and it broke me from the dream. In a movie like Frost/Nixon, I was firmly inside the dream of the writer and director. In Wendy and Lucy, I was not.

And as someone who absolutely loved Frozen River in every way, another movie that takes a hard look at the disadvantaged, I can't say my financial situation or my demographic was the reason why I found Wendy and Lucy lacking. I watched City of God and was spellbound the entire time.

But I do understand where you're coming from, EmiloJr. I can see how someone who has had experiences similar to Wendy's wouldn't question the parts that I questioned.

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That's fair enough. That's the beauty of cinema. We can all take from it something different. What's important is that we're not making judgment statements like "it was good/bad because I didn't like it". We just saw it in different ways and that's something I can respect.

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You're forgetting that she *was* planning to get a job. She even reaffirms that at the end of the movie: she says to Lucy that she will save up some money and come back for her. As I recall, I don't think she mentioned Alaska explicitly during that last scene, so I guess it's open to interpretation whether she would get a job in Portland or Alaska. (Technically, she could still "come back" for Lucy even from somewhere else in Portland.)

Who knows what happens after that last scene in the movie--i.e., whether she makes it to Alaska or tries to stick around Portland. I can say that I live in Portland, and I can vouch for the fact that the unemployment rate is really high here (higher than the national average), and so is homelessness. She probably would have had better luck (and could have earned more) in Alaska, which is not too far away from Portland, after all.

The whole movie takes place over a couple of days, and things got really bad really quickly. Almost in the blink of an eye, she had an arrest record, very little money left, no place to live, no car, and nobody to help her get back on her feet. There certainly wasn't time during those couple days to find a job.

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I can't believe you're even debating this - Wendy was the dumbest character in the history of film and totally unbelievable. I'm sorry, but I have been in that situation. And my woes were all self inflicted.

We are having some tough times in this country right now, but Wendy's situation made no sense at all. She drove south to go north, if she was worried about money to buy dog food she could have gone to a pet store or vet and asked for samples, if she was hungry she could asked about a food co-op, there's lots of things she could have done but she didn't.

I've also worked in Alaska and I'll tell you if Wendy was a real person she wouldn't have lasted a week up there. And then where would she be?

Stupid character, stupid movie. Has nothing to do with the times we are living where hard working people are losing their jobs. Make a movie about them and I'll salute you.

I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am.

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We have no way of knowing why she is following the route she is following. Indiana plates on her car doesn't necessarily mean that she was from Indiana. We have no way of knowing why she is heading to Alaska. She might be trying to get away from someone or something in particular, or she might be heading for someone or something in particular.

We have no way of knowing how many times she had already begged for food or money on her trip, or indeed what measures she had to go to in order to get the money she already had.

We have no way of knowing what emotional or physical turmoil she already had to endure to get to the point she was at. The bandage around her ankle suggests some physical difficulty along the way. Perhaps her somewhat emotionless demeanour suggest a jaded disposition that is the result of being emotionally exhausted?

Even if she is ignorant, and even if she has made (and continues to make) bad decisions, does this mean she deserves the miserable fate that is visited upon her? Maybe from your point of view it does. From mine it does not.

I think that this film has everything to do with the difficult economic times we are descending into. A depression is aptly named because what it represents for so many people is a sense of being cut adrift. This can be as true emotionally as it is economically and, indeed, the two often go hand in hand. If someone has no emotional post to lean upon, no friends or family for support and guidance, it is not so easy to simply start making the decisions that will best guarantee you economic stability through hard times. What the film shows expertly is that, when a person cannot rely on the care or even presence of those they know well, that person can rarely rely on the kindness of strangers to fill the gap.

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I worked at a pet store for two years.I don't remember ever having samples unless there was a rep in there doing so.When the store first opened there were some giveaways. If someone would have come in and asked for something for their pet our manager would have probably told them to get lost.
We went thru many managers and none of them were pet friendly.It was just a job to them. The pets we sold were not properly taken care of as there were not enough employees, and the ones who did work were young kids. This may not be true at all stores, but bottom line is less payroll, pets suffer.
I am glad I do not work there. Would not work in a place like that again.

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Wendy was the dumbest character in the history of film and totally unbelievable

Do you honestly expect people to take you seriously with comments like that?

By the way, she wasn't driving south to go north. She only decided on Alaska after talking to those people near that campfire. Otherwise she was just passing through with no specific destination.

Stupid post, stupid person.


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Anyone really following what's been going on in the world has been aware that things have been getting hard for people for a while (the range between Kelly Reichardt and Kevin Smith is a wide one indeed), whether or not it had yet totally blown up and been taken hold by the media.

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