Explotive


I recently saw a screening of this in Phoenix. There were just a handful of us in the theater. At the end, we filed out silently. One person was brave enough to say "What did you think?" We all agreed this movie was terrible and exploited two people who are obviously in need of help.

I am sad to think that these individuals signed releases and allowed themselves to be filmed and that no one in their lives advised them against this film. To me, this film is deplorable and takes advantage to vulnerable individuals. This is a terrible film that sheds no light on our celebrity obsessed culture. It simply takes advantage of and lends the opportunity for people to make fun of mentally ill individuals.

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Interesting argument. I'm not sure I felt the film was exploitative merely for exploitation's sake. What I mean is, I didn't get the feeling that the film centered on these people simply to entertain people, as if they were novel sideshow acts. At least for me, it was an interesting insight into the lives of two people who had something specific in common.
However, I think you could argue that if the director simply wanted to focus on Tiffany fans, he didn't have to focus on two very obsessed people. And maybe his intention to seek out people who were delusional and obsessive shows a deliberate will to exploit them on his part. But maybe it was also because he found their stories compelling, and/or maybe he thought telling their side of the story (for how often do those articles about Jeff's stalking convey him as a human being rather than a mere creep/sicko/criminal?) could serve to open a discourse about mental illness. For me, as I watched it, I felt as if I got to know more about two people who are systematically denied a social standing in society, about their backgrounds, their interests, their relationships, and then their delusions. The movie was about much more than their obsession with Tiffany, which for me saves it from being totally exploitative. And I never saw an opportunity to "make fun of" any of the people in this film.

As a side-note though, I wish the filmmakers could have tried to include a portion where Kelly could talk about what it really means to be intersex. For some reason many people on here are confusing being intersex with being transgender. There are similarities between the two, but they're not completely the same.


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"It simply takes advantage of and lends the opportunity for people to make fun of mentally ill individuals."


You think documentaries should only feature completely healthy people?

Good luck with that.




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"I am sad to think that these individuals signed releases and allowed themselves to be filmed and that no one in their lives advised them against this film."

Do you really think that anyone who advised them against participating would have gotten through to them at all? They are both utterly delusional, with little or no connection to reality. I doubt anyone could get through to them that they were being exploited, since nobody can even get through to them that they are not destined to marry Tiffany.

I don't really see why Tiffany seems to attract total obsessives. I only remember her as a mediocre pop singer who was briefly famous and not particularly impressive, even for a pop singer.

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I agree, but for different reasons.

I had no issue with the subject material and found the insight into Turner's psyche particularly fascinating (if a little sad that he is so delusional).

What I did find disconcerting however was the decision to bring the two together in Vegas. What did the director expect was going to happen other than they would resort to a petty, hurtful game of who could outdo the other. I was sitting there just waiting for it to happen, and so it was when Kelly describes her kiss and Jeff jumps into when he also got his first kiss. Kelly's anguish at that point is all the director's fault, not Jeffs.

And the potential argument in reposte that they need to be shown that their obsessions are irrational is futile, as you are clearly dealing with two people lacking the necessary mental capacity to recognize that.

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I think you're right, DocHierarchy. Moreover, the film lingers on its subjects to the point of becoming uncomfortable, and the Vegas meeting is a symptom of this, orchestrated to make the film longer. In other words, he breaks these ethical boundaries as a result of not finding the film's proper form.

I think this would have worked better as a short documentary, 20 minutes or so. It started to feel like I was staring at a car accident as they removed the mangled bodies.

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I thought the meetup between the two bordered on exploitative.

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Although Tiffany was only seen a little in the film, I saw the film as being more about the dark side of fame as opposed to being about the two people. What I mean is, it was a glaring example of what you take on when you become a famous person.....fans like these two. The very idea gives me chills, and makes me more sympathetic to celebs and what they deal with in having to interface with the public.

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