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Why such low IMDB scores?


Why does a movie such as this with great acting and also a very interesting, relevant(and true), and captivating story, receive such mediocre scores? I am interested what the community thinks. Are the majority of people who watch movies just so dumbed-down by fare such as Terminator 2 these days?

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Oh this is spooky! markschu, I'm Mark Chu too!

And I can't agree you more, I am definitely puzzled by such a low rating here. This is a film everybody should watch! Not to mention it is based on a true story. We can see that racism is still quite active these days.... sad.

I gave a rating of 10 to boost up the score.

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I just seen this movie and I'm wondering why the score is so low too. This was a damn GOOD movie.

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I read several years ago when I first signed up for IMDB that there is a group of racist reviewers who deliberately score every movie about people of color on IMDB very low in order to lower the average rating. The goal is to rate these movies very low so that: 1) people will think they are bad movies, 2) no one will want to see these poorly rated movies (including films like this one that tell important stories), and 3) most importantly, so that filmmakers won't even bother making such films as a result of few people seeing them when they are made. Don't take my word for it - look at IMDB scores for other important films, particularly those about blacks.

The only solution is for film viewers like you who enjoyed American Violet to rate it fairly, and in higher numbers than those who set out to torpedo it - many of these people have never even seen the film!! Get as many of your friends as possible who have seen American Violet signed up to rate it on IMDB - that's the only way for it and films like it to get the rating it deserves.

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Wow this is probably the most uneducated posting I've ever read.

Read that where??? Racist reviewers? Seriously??

And just to dispel your little theory I believe the film CRASH received the Oscar for best picture the year it was released. And that dealt with racism in several different spectrums.

I'm an educated LATINO, and I'm also a film student. This film was just poorly made, that's why it didn't receive good ratings. It had a good premise but wasn't executed well. Films about important topics similar to this are made all the time. Just last year a great film was released called Sin Nombre, and received alot of buzz at Sundance. There's also a film called "Ballast" that was really good also and recieived alot of buzz well, and its rating is decent too. Or how about City of God? or Babel? or Spike Lee films? Think, educate, and do research before you talk out of your ass

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Well I'm an educated latina and speaking for myself, I think this film deserves to be recognized. It was made with respect to those lives it was based on and it was very well acted. Yes, it was low budget but i thought it was well executed. I enjoyed it.

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Yeah the racist reviewers thing doesn't make much sense, since there are a lot of movies dealing with racism that are rated quite highly. I thought Crash was extremely overrated though.

American History X is ranked the 38th best movie of all time, and it deals with racism.

I thought this movie was pretty good though. It wasn't amazing, but the story was told well, and the acting was solid. It perhaps wasn't as dramatic as it could have been, but real courtrooms are not very dramatic/exciting usually.

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It's not about movies that are about racism. It's about movies that feature brown people. American History X does not focus on minorities.

It certainly would be hard or impossible to prove any type of conspiracy against movies featuring people of color on IMDB.com. But based on the comments on a lot of the message boards from these movies, a lot of people make snap judgments before the movies are even released, giving them low ratings, probably mostly from people who haven't even seen the movies.



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@graceunderpressure

AMERICAN VIOLET is a pretty good and strong film and no it isn't "poorly made". Just because YOU didn't like dosen't make it a bad movie---it just means you didn't like it. And the poster who wrote that is not the only person on IMDB who's complained about the low ratings black films get on IMDB--folks have been complaining about that on IMDB boards for years. I think AMERICAN VIOLET has low ratings simply because it was barely promoted when it came out, probably due to the lack of box-office draw names in it, and that's why people haven't heard of it. I've seen a number of the films you mentioned, so you obviously have good taste, but you're totally wrong on this one, and you don't have to resort name-calling to make your point.

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To activista: Just because YOU liked it, doesn't make it a good movie—it just means you liked it.

See how your own sophistry can be used against you? Oh, I doubt you did.

I haven't seen this movie, but I've tried to watch some "black films" and black supremacist "documentaries" on HBO in recent years, Monster's Ball, Hustle and Flow, Jim Brown, All-American, and When the Levees Broke.

I couldn’t tolerate more than 30 minutes of the first three, er, things, but I forced myself, for professional reasons, to watch all of Levees.

Levees is on a par with Nazi propaganda against the Jews. It revolves around a blood libel promoted by Louis Farrakhan, leader of the murderous Nation of Islam, but without ever identifying Farrakhan as its source. Farrakhan claimed, without any evidence, that white authorities had dynamited a hole in the levees in the black, Ninth Ward, in order to murder blacks. But Lee went beyond even Farrakhan, in inventing a racial fairy tale, whereby all of the violence committed during and immediately after Hurricane Katrina, was committed by whites against blacks.

Levees got an 8.6 rating, much higher than it deserved.

There is no racist white cabal, voting down black films. Whites are not like racist black and Hispanic projection artists. Whites do not run around badmouthing third-rate, affirmative action propaganda. They either avoid it, or are much more charitable in mentioning and rating it, than blacks and Hispanics are, regarding the greatest white works of art.

Some of the greatest movies ever made, by white directors and with white casts, get mediocre ratings on IMDB, but you don't notice that, because of your racism.

Nicholas Stix, Uncensored

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We had to fight for months to get a racist Facebook page named American White History Month taken down and it had nearly 500,000 likes. They are putting the page back up with numbers after it and American White History Month 2 now has 263,000 likes.
Those same people are on IMDB pushing their agenda.

If the first incarnation of that racist page had 1/2 million likes then there are 10 to 100 times more people with the same ideas that haven't liked to page, closeted or not active on FB.

Don't underestimate the amount of racist whites out there fighting and banding together now that they have gotten the idea their reign is doomed or they are fighting for the survival of the 'white race' against the hordes of brown people.

It's ridiculous. Blue eyed people are not an endangered species...

Esther: My name was in the Bible!
Fred: Yeah, Samson slew the Philistines with your jaw-bone!

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I'm part Italian, Indian, and Polish, so race doesn't bother me. All I want are results! Give me that, then I'm good. I didn't create these circumstances, I just try to live in them.
Again though, I liked this film.

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To cmarthur817: You're a liar.

Nicholas Stix, Uncensored

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The current rating is a 6.6, which is where it should be. Compare this movie to A Few Good Men, particularly the courtroom scene and interchange there between Daniel Caffey (Cruise) and Colonel Jessup (Nicholson). The way the story was told in that movie, there was built in suspense--we knew beforehand what the strategy was and what was at stake--Caffey could be disciplined for accusing Jessup of ordering the "Code Red." That knowledge imparted a dramatic tension to the whole scene.

Contrast that with the deposition scene at the end this movie--no suspense. There was comparatively little at risk. Dee's lawyer wasn't going to go to jail for asking the wrong question, and the DA wasn't going to jail for answering it. There were no mysterious witnesses waiting in the back of the courtroom,only known and foreseeable witnesses played on tape. While having the black lawyer interrogate the racist DA was sound strategy, it was far from brilliant. And while the back and forth between the questioner and the witness was entertaining..."Even black people can tell time" etc, it lags behind the brilliant and entertaining examination/interchange in A Few Good Men.

I don't foresee anyone quoting this movie, but I know people who have the entire "You want me on that wall" dialogue memorized."

This was a good movie worth watching, but let's not make it out to be more than it is. Higher ratings are reserved for superior movies, movies that do more and do it better than this one.

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The current rating is a 6.6, which is where it should be. Compare this movie to A Few Good Men, particularly the courtroom scene and interchange there between Daniel Caffey (Cruise) and Colonel Jessup (Nicholson). The way the story was told in that movie, there was built in suspense--we knew beforehand what the strategy was and what was at stake--Caffey could be disciplined for accusing Jessup of ordering the "Code Red." That knowledge imparted a dramatic tension to the whole scene.

Contrast that with the deposition scene at the end this movie--no suspense.


Yeah. Right. You know that not every movie has to be a thriller or an action movie to be good, right?

I love A Few Good Men (despite the poor casting) but it's not at all the same movie. The point in American Violet is not to keep viewers with attention deficit disorder on the edge of their seat, it's to demonstrate how the American Justice System is being perverted by the actions of individuals within it because of personal bias and backward thinking that belongs to another century.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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Yeah. Right. You know that not every movie has to be rated 10, right?

I apologize for that because I'm smart enough to know sarcasm adds little to any discussion, yet I wrote that anyway. Was that really the point of the movie? How'd I miss that. I must have slept through the movie because it wasn't a thriller or an action movie.

My "point" is the movie is where it ought to be on a rating scale because of the choices those involved in its production made. More talented people would have made a better movie with the exact same "point."

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After watching this movie I couldn't agree more. This movies should be rated a 10/10 easily. But that's the state of the nation, as you said they're so dumbed down and just want to be entertained, see people get shot, and see stuff blown up. God forbid a cinematic masterpiece that happens to TRUE nonetheless comes along and provoke thought. Nooooo! We can't have that, the last thing the powers that be in America want is an aware, educated, and well informed public.

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Absolutely fabulous movie! Now another reason why I will stay clear of TX. Sorry, to disparage a whole state but there has just been too much coming out of the state affecting minorities; false arrests for money; speeding tickets when not speeding. Its too much!

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Because very few American citizens (read: white) don't won't to accept the fact that their beloved fiefdom has massive flaws. America is so quick to point at other injustices in the world but when it comes to its OWN BACKYARD then the 'smoke and mirrors' come into play. This movie is just a sliver of reality of the corruptness, greed, and arrogance that lies within the border. Plus if laws were "TRULY" applied without regard to color then way more whites would be targeted, arrested, and in jail. You can guarantee that the local yocal white cop isn't breaking his backside to throw some white boy in jail for a small amount of powder cocaine. But that's just fine because the hypocrisy that created this country called America will be its Achilles' Heel...

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Most black films have low ratings because a vocal portion of American film (white) goers don't respond to black films, or films surrounding racial biases, or ethnic studies. I remember watching Erin Brockovich and feeling rather empty by the performances; but it took home Oscars. I'm not suggesting some films with racial tones are unfairly rated; but I will suggest that the awards, the ratings aren't fair, are not a testimony to a film's value; and therefore I would question any person that took these items seriously in the face of choosing to watch or not watch a movie.

I do believe there are racist people rating films surrounding black themes, I've seen it with films where majority black viewers and film community viewers love and praise a film for excellence, but then go on to receive scores that don't speak to their critical acclaim.

I would attribute this to people's inability to evaluate and interpret the times. Terminator films are escapist films- an American art form, and American Violet is realism.

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This movie came recommended to me and I watched it on Netflix. I found it to be too melodramatic. I gave it a 7 (disclosure - I am a middle-aged, college educated black woman).

I plan to also watch the PBS Frontline special "The Plea" for a more factual accounting.

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This movie came recommended to me and I watched it on Netflix. I found it to be too melodramatic. I gave it a 7 (disclosure - I am a middle-aged, college educated black woman).

What about it was melodramatic? I'm just asking because I have a finely tuned BS meter and I hate melodrama and I just don't see it here.

For every lie I unlearn I learn something new - Ani Difranco

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Having been on IMDB for quite a few years I do feel that there are a number of very good films featuring a predominantly black cast which should be rated higher. A few that come to mind ar Do the right thing, The Colour Purple, Crooklyn, Get on the bus, Hustle & Flow. I would like to believe that the majority of people don't vote films down just because they see a black cast so maybe it is more about the fact that films often have an impact on us depending on our experiences. It is impossible that a non black male is going to be impacted by a film like Get on the bus in the same way that a black male would. I almost always expect black films to have lower rating than they should due to the probable make up of the IMDB community. The most worrying thing on IMDB is that it appears practically impossible for anyone to discuss race on these boards without someone adding a derogatory comment in one direction or another.

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I think you're right and it's a shame that films like this are often overlooked.

"I am the ultimate badass, you do not wanna `*beep*` wit me!"- Hudson in Aliens.

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I viewed the film on the Bounce channel, and thought it was very good.

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