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too long and homophobic (SPOILER)


I rented it the other day without knowing anything about it other than what was on the DVD case;that it was Thailands submission to the 81st Academy Awards and a big hit there. So I took a chance. I had no idea it was nearly 3hrs long. Way too long and could have benefited by some judicial editing.

I also found it Homophobic. Reading thru some of the threads here I understand Tong was conflicted and torn between his filial duty to his family, especially since they had already gone thru a traumatic loss, and his feelings for Mew. I understand that the duty to fulfill family expectations in Asian culture is a very dominant force. Since the film was made by Asians and for an Asian audience, I guess there was no need to explicate this, it is implied. It's a conflict that most if not all Gay men raised in that culture probably experience. As a Westerner I didn't get that and so was puzzled as to why Tong rejected Mew in the end. The film is homophobic because rather than Tong and Mew attempting or struggling to make a go of it and nurture their love, they cave to family and societal pressure. Going even further Mew, the one who is more accepting of his sexuality is shown alone and weeping in the end while Tong is back at home with his family receiving love and acceptance. So the final message supports a cultural view that fulfilling family expectations, even if one has to fake it, leads to happiness, while being true to yourself leads to isolation loneliness and grief. A horrible and sad message to send to any young gay person who might be struggling with this right now.

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I did not really read the ending that way at all. I think Mew came out okay - as symbolized by the toy, he (with Tong's help) was completed. He had moved past his losses (of his parents and grandmother and Tong himself). Tong had shown him the magic of friendship and the miracle of love. Mew had his friends in the band (and possibly a new romantic interest with the one). So he ended by thanking Tong for showing him the possibility of love.

Tong on the other hand faced (in my opinion and based on experience) a terrible struggle to be himself, escape his mother's emotional stranglehold and find a love that might match what he had with Mew.

(I agree that some judicious editing might have helped, but the Tong-Mew dynamic made the film run quickly for me. I was enchanted right from the prologue - especially the treasure hunt sequence where Mew comes to understand Tong's affection for him.)

"Nothing personal. Your name just happened to come up."

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leftbanker, can't agree more :)

Personally, I like the slowness and long lenght of the movie. Together with the music, it makes me more deep in the sweetness and tender pain of the ending~

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Me too.

Love this movie so much. I did not feel it lasted for 3 hours. Just enjoy.

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so was puzzled as to why Tong rejected Mew in the end.

But Tong didn't reject Mew. He just can't be his boyfriend. By saying he loves him, he's acknowledged Mew's love for him and his own for Mew. They will never be alone again, in that sense.

Going even further Mew, the one who is more accepting of his sexuality is shown alone and weeping in the end while Tong is back at home with his family receiving love and acceptance.

Wow, your interpretation is so interesting. In my view, Mew's not alone. With the wooden doll completed, himself is emotionally completed and is able to move on. That's why he smiled while he cried.

Did you not remember their first long conversation about loneliness? Tong feels alienated from his family because of Tang's absence, his mother's controlling nature, and his father's grief and alcoholism. He had problems with his girlfriend Donut and getting close to people because he was afraid of experiencing what his parents are experiencing. This is the same problem Mew has.

Mew feels alienated because his rep at school as a 'sissy boy', his grandmother was gone and his parents absent. He's afraid of loving then losing someone; like his grandmother.

They are drawn to each other, partly because they are childhood friends (remember Mew's repeated statement to Tong's mother "We are just friends") and because of that, they feel complete together.

Mew's best friend, whom he had been alienated from after that kiss-of-life joke, reminds Mew that he isn't alone and that there are people who care for him. Then there is Tong who accepts Mew and himself as they are.

I thought it was an optimistic ending. Both boys were once lost and now they were found, they could move on with their lives and not to feel so lonely any more.

It's fair to acknowledge the film's attempt to explain that it's a fluid thing. It doesn't automatically snap to either black and white. Like either you know or you don't. Not everybody is that "lucky". I truly believe everyone had experienced this at least once in their life, whether they realized it or not and however long the experience was.

For now, The Love of Siam did an incredible job, opening a door to make way for future teen gay films with, likely, happy endings. This film has made the first major step to a better world, so now it's up to Thai filmmakers to take further steps ahead.

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Is it possible Retropian AND the other commenters are both right? Tong's return home definitely shows the Asian cultural value of subordination of self to family which sure seems homophobic to me in this case (so Retropian is right) but Mew had his own issues AND possibilities of new romance and friends in the band.

I do disagree with a lot of McVillain though. While these characters are very young, they are not babies. One assumes they are almost adults due to their imminent graduating. If you want to say guys have a hard time admitting to themselves in a homophobic culture they are Gay, fine. But at 18, guys KNOW whether they have same sex attractions or not. I may be over interpreting your remarks, but you also seem to be dismissing how deep Mew & Tong's love was. You can look your whole life and never find a true soulmate again.

I also cannot accept that YOU accept Mew's statement to Tong's mother "we are just friends." Very few cultures allow men to put their arms around each other and French kiss for several minutes. Or enlighten me that I'm incorrect about Asian culture please!

Seems in every Asian movie there is something I never get - why DID Mew's best friend do the "kiss of life" joke? I hope I never have best friends like that!

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IMDB woman: If Thai culture is so accepting, then why was Tong's mother so upset? Mew clearly lied when he said "we're just friends..." didn't he? There were hours of build-up to Mew & Tong's having a 'permanent' relationship and then Tong rejected him for no apparent reason? This is illogical and as Retropian so clearly outlined, Mew is sad and Tong is home basking in the acceptance of his family. Maybe you don't like the word "homophobia" but it sure looks like that is at least part of the reason! (?) Did you have any thoughts about the "kiss of life" joke at school?

Not sure about the religion angle, although again, I disagree with your choice of words. So what if Thailand is 90% Buddhist? That means no small chunk (10%) is something else. Christians then are a minority, not "odd". What the movie maker was trying to say making them Christian, one guess is as good as another in the absence of a statement.

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