What about this Hooton guy?


Textbook example of over-emotional father, in this case, who doesn't care about reasoning anymore and just wants to blame something for the death of his son. He's pissed off, which i can understand, and apparently chose anabolic steroids as his victim.

The point where it is said that his son was also on anti-depressants and that the effects of anabolic steroids can be reversible, he so eloquently raises his finger and says "My son is dead". Practically killing every opportunity for debate.

He doesn't even try to be reasonable. Sure his son died, but that doesn't make it okay. It's pretty sad to look at this man who thinks he has the answer while as a matter of fact he couldnt be more wrong.

"The intellectual arguments [..] dont matter to me. I *know* they're dangerous".

He chooses emotion over reason. Pretty much the end of the line for his credibility. It's nothing new that emotionally involved people can't see clearly.

I found the documentary rather good. Always love to see the hypocrisy thats in government. America's whole drug policy is inherently hypocrite. But thats fine, i'm sure there are those lucky few who make millions every year on the suffering of others, can't beat that, right?

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I was going to start a topic about this same thing. He uses lines like "All the evidence I need is in those pictures behind you." So a picture of your son who's dead is evidence that steroids killed him and not antidepressants?

I mean, not like I'd know what it's like to bury a son, so I'll grant him whatever helps him get by. But I can't imagine being that self deluded. Not that it's impossible that steroids played a role either, but the guy clearly has no interest in finding out for real. Tough to watch.

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I certainly feel bad for his loss, but he reminded me of the parents who sued Judas Priest for their sons suicide.

Almost all antidepressants have an associated risk of suicide, but since they are used in treating depression, it becomes a chicken-egg scenario. There's no way to prove if the suicide was a result of the initial depression, or a result of the altered chemistry from the drug.

We also are very limited in what was going on in the boys life. Was he experimenting with other drugs? Had he gone through a painful breakup? Was he bullied? Struggling with his sexuality? All these things can play a major influence on a person who attempts suicide. It's much easier to pick a villain and place blame.

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The things he said reminded me of the types of things religious people (particularly creationsists) say.

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Amen to that, mcsanders3. Harry Truman was right when he said, "The Buck Stops Here". American society got away from Harry Truman's mantra after World War Two and got complacent.

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He's typical of the parent who becomes a crusader for some half-thought out cause based on hysteria, pseudo-science and other nonsense used as a guise to cover his excruciating guilt about his real and imagined failings as a parent. I feel sorry for the guy but in a pathetic kind of way, much as I would for a drunk in the gutter who's been dealt a particularly rotten hand in life. But my sympathy falls short of my anger and disgust because his emotional histrionics are dangerous and, very unfortunately, help to set policy and laws that affect millions in an unnecessarily adverse way. Considering there are millions in the US who actively use and abuse steroids for personal, athletic and cosmetic reasons (go to just about any gym in the US and you'll see many examples EVERY day of steroid users), if steroids were even remotely as dangerous as claimed the bodies from deaths and suicides would be stacked sky high. Yet, "experts" can only cite Hooton's kid who was on a variety of other drugs, including a psychotropic for clinical depression (HELLOOOOOO!), as the shinning example of the dangers of steroids.

This is a great documentary and got to me to think rationally about what I previously considered a dangerous drug. I have been an avid athlete and weightlifter my whole life but have not used steroids as I never competed and saw no need to go beyond my natural limitations. Nor do I think the steroid look and massive musculature particularly attractive or necessary for myself. BUT what others choose or want to do is frankly none of my business. As well, should you compete in virtually any sport (including at almost all adult amateur levels) you will be at a serious disadvantage if you don't use some sort of performance enhancing technique, including steroids and other methods.

It's sad that of the dozens of doctors who testified before congress stating that steroids were not the monstrous bugaboo as claimed, congress naturally discounted their testimony until they found a nitwit, hysterical doctor who agreed with their agenda. It's also sad and maddening that good ol' Carl Lewis was using performance enhancing drugs and he won the gold medal by default when Ben Johnson was disqualified for steroids. But, as the US' own doping watchdog at the time has said he was really there to cover up the US athlete's drug use. Considering the US is largely a nation of hysterics and hypocrites our steroid and other drug policy will most likely reign for a long, long time.

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If he was suffering from clinical depression, the extreme hormonal swings certainly didn't help. Supposedly, before he killed himself, Taylor Hooton had put on over 30 pounds of muscle, beat up the ex boyfriend of his girlfriend and thrown a telephone through a wall. I'm sure he had other issues, but the roids may have tipped him over the top.

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Perhaps steroids had some impact, but if he imbibed moderately to heavily in caffeinated beverages, that unequivocally would have increased his propensity for violence. Which means it wouldn't turn him into a raving lunatic but if he had violent tendencies prior to then they would have accordingly increased per his caffeine usage. So let's put America's favorite drug on the Class A banned substance list: caffeine.

Again, as one of the doctors in the film stated millions of Americans have and are using steroids for athletic, cosmetic and non-medically prescribed personal reasons. I've been in gyms all over America and in almost every one, including so-called "isolated" country settings, and seen those who are or have clearly used steroids. If steroids were indeed the dangerous monster they are purported to be you would have thousands upon thousands of cases of suicide, murder, etc. Instead, the only case the "experts" tout is of one kid with dubious mental health and a crusading father with dubious motivations. Look at his testimony in the film. He even states he has no idea of the impact anti-depressants had on his son (nor any of the many other factors including his parenting skills, of which all parents have shortcomings and, like our sad fellow here, would feel horrific guilt in a case of suicide and love to have a cause to bury that guilt in). He stated that steroids were the drug he chose to vilify, so that's where his battle lies. Not really addressing any facts here is he? Mr. Hooton is so clearly a man dedicated to a cause, regardless of its integrity (and, unfortunately for him, his own) to avoid other personal, painful issues.

Don't buy into America's favorite pastime: hysteria. This is the reason we have draconian laws and a record percentage of the population behind bars. Twenty five percent of those in jail in the world are in jail in the US (which is less than 5% of the world's population), the bulk of which are for non-violent offenses, mostly drug possession. A little reason and clear thinking is essential to stop this self destructive path the US is on. Vilifying steroids or whatever only exacerbates the problem and turns myths and lies based on hysterical fears into "truths" and is turning society into Balkanized groups of self-righteous nitwits persecuting others before they get persecuted themselves.

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I agree they should decriminalize it.

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He was 16...gj on jackin with your hormones.

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i watched this documentary last night, then read up a bit on it...

Mad Dog died in 2008, found dead in a rehab clinic.

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It is unfortunate that the father didn't take all measures into account when choosing what to blame for his son's suicide. Was it the SSRIs or the steroids or other life factors? Probably a combination of all three.

What was sort of shocking to me was when Chris asked Mr. Hootan about whether or not the stadiums should be serving alcohol or have an alcohol awareness day since so many people did due to alcohol use (this after Mr. Hootan talked about a "Steroid Awareness Day" at baseball parks). And he basically biffed in his response. I think it's pretty obvious alcohol is the greater evil when compared with steroids.

I enjoyed this film, it definitely put the whole steroid controversy into a new light. I'm still again steroids. I think Chris was either bias or ignorant when it came to finding the side effects of steroids. They're more damaging than Chris made them out to be.

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Hooton was a sad case of emotion overriding reason (which is justifiable, given his situation). But the statements he made regarding the effects of anti-depressants and alcohol came off as downright ignorant.

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He definitely sounded ignorant in his comments about anti-depressants and alcohol. The guy actually said when Chris Bell commented that a steroid awareness night in a place that serves alcohol seems hypocritical, that "we can sit here and argue whether or not alcohol kills people".

Who would actually argue that alcohol in some cases does NOT kill people? Alcohol poisoning, liver problems from too much alcohol, drunk driving, etc...Certainly much stronger correlation in that than anything we have found in steroid use.

I feel sorry for him as he's gone through such a terrible tragedy, but it's pretty clear that as stated above, emotion is overriding reason.

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I have to echo what some people are saying that I totally agree. Instead of looking for his part in what happened to his son, he wants all of the blame to fall on someone or something else. Teens are depressed because there are so many changes going on and for the first time they feel a lot of pressure to live up to too much. But Hooten can't see in front his own face. Wanna bet he is getting some kick backs as some sort of spokesperson? Profiting off of his own son's death? That defines disrespect.

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My sentiments exactly. When he got called on about alcohol and tobacco his response is well those are legal because he probably drinks.

He noticed the problems with his kid and got his kid on antidepressants and when his kid died he blamed steroids.

I do not take steroids but found his reasoning pathetic.


If you find the fathers picture on facebook HE HAS A PHOTO OF someone toasting a drink of alcohol. How pathetically hypocritical.

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With a father like that I'd kill myself too.

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Interesting on what you say ruopollo-1

Guess there really are people who act worse than 12 year olds.

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How did his son die?
I know it was suicide but cant see anywhere by what means. I find it interesting that it does not seem to be disclosed.

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