Will not watch nor read


I will not be watching nor reading any of Philip Pullman's works. I've done enough research to say no.

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Why is that? What has your research shown you?

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I've read anywhere from internet articles, to interviews, to his own site. It is my wish to have people research it on their own & come to their own conclusions. Thus, the vagueness. There is plenty out there. But, I suggest one research all sides, and check for validity.

Personally, from what I've seen and read, the movie has been "dumbed down" enough not to offend too many people ... it's the beyond that bothers me.

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I dont believe anyone implied you were obliged to watch or read The Golden Compass. You have the right to refuse to do so. You know? Free will? Freedom of choice?

Dont see why you feel the need to come onto this board and declare it though.

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I came to this board to declare it because I have free will. ;)

Anyway, I wanted to make the statement so that others who look at these boards and other reviews may see my comment, get curious & research for themselves. I know I often go to message boards to check up on a movie before I watch it.

So, there ya have it. :)

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Please, let me quote you in my reply:

You wrote: "Without wanting to sound sarcastic ... by the way I'm mocking ... in case you're too stupid"
I write: Isn't that a bit ironic?

You wrote: "most people usually read/watch/listen to various forms of media rather than listen to the opinions of others especially up their own [behind] critics!"
I write: Since I mentioned "research", of course, I'm hoping others will "read/watch/listen to various forms of media" rather than just critics or even my opinion. In fact, in one of my replies here, you'll see that I did write that I hope others will research. So, doesn't that make your statement a bit, as you say, "pointless?"

You wrote: "in case you're too stupid to 'realise' it..."
I write: At least I'm not too stupid to realize (that's how Americans spell it), that "realise" is how the English spell it. And, I'm smart enough to realize that the reason you didn't use punctuation and capitalization was probably due to ease rather than your own stupidity.

You wrote: "your pointless 'board'"
I write: By the way, this isn't my "board" ... it's the "The Golden Compass'" board. So, perhaps you meant "thread"?

You wrote: "of England cause America isn't good enough for him"
I write: Perhaps you don't realize who produced "The Golden Compass". If not, it was Shiny Entertainment, a "cutting edge video game" developer and production company which is part Foundation 9 Entertainment, which is, by the way, based in "America," and, more narrowly, the "USA". And, it's distributors were "Sega of 'America [us].'" It's just a bit interesting and ironic that the USA, or "America" was the country that produced and distributed the movie for his book. Yet, according to you, "America isn't good enough for him."


My "point" in this addition to my thread and reply to your message? ... none really, just some observations of your reply.



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<<Pullman for President! (of England cause America isn't good enough for him -go watch the useless narnia films you narrow minded twat)>>

You know, making a statement like this only shows me what a childish individual you are.

Micpearson has as much right to state his opinion of this movie, and Pullman's books, on this board as anyone else. And he did so without having to resort to petty and foul name calling. Try that in the future if you'd like people to take YOU seriously.

And for your information, the fact that the Narnia books were written by a man who had been an atheist, and therefore had a great deal of insight into atheism, means more to me than Pullman making statements about "Killing god to children" then quickly "soft-pedaling" his statements so he could sell the movie and more books. At least C. S. Lewis wised up.

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I highly doubt there are movies out there that you have not watched based on others reviews. I know there are a variety of reasons I won't go see a movie based on others' reviews (usually not just one review).

By the way, I didn't review/make comments about the movie in my statement, I did enough reading on my own to know I didn't want to see it ... I didn't want to give my money for this movie, plain and simple.

Let me ask you something ... when you were younger, did you go by someone's advice that a stove was hot, or were you one of those that had to see for yourself? If you were one of those that had to see for yourself ... hmmmm ... well, I guess you have the "larger" mind then me, huh?! Apparently, because you had to see it for yourself that somehow makes you more intelligent than me. Yet, there were many things like hot stoves, I believed the person telling me rather than burning myself because I had already enough experience and knowledge from other items that I concluded a stove was hot and didn't touch it.

Some things we learn by doing, and some things we learn by what we are told and the research we do. Because someone decides not to go see a movie based on others reviews and researching the writer does not indicate a person has a "small mind."

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=/ You're very religious, aren't you?

Okay, listen people. If you can tell the difference between fact and fantasy, no matter what religion you are, you can see this movie. See, believe it or not, this movie is a fantasy. So what if the author was an athiest? So apparently his books talk about "killing God". But you know what? You can't kill a god. It's only his athiest views. Are you actually going to let the views of an athiest upset your strong views of your religion?

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"I came to this board to declare it because I have free will"

I think you cam to this board because you have some notion that you are enlightened and wanted to show this off. I just don't know why you came to the game's board.

Honestly how have you turned the movie experience into such an anal process? Films are about entertainment, emotion, escapism. You "researching" it (what does this even mean exactly) means your just letting other people's opinions prevent you from making your own.

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Did I ever say he upset my "strong views?" No ... didn't say that.

Are there movies any of you don't go watch because of reviews? I know there are plenty I don't go see based on the review of others ... for a variety of reasons.

Plain and simple, I'm not going to give them my money.

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To micpearson: before you post something like this, consider whether or not it's stupid, egregious, vapid, or any combination of these. If, as in this case, it manages to be all three, then certainly suppress it. That will save us all time and extreme eye-rolling, which poses a physical danger.

Papoulka

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I'm a Christian and I've read all of the northern lights trilogy. I didn't get offended, because, to be honest, its almost impossible to offend me. But I can understand how someone else could have been offended about it. What I really can't understand is how someone could get offended by what someone else, who doesn't know you, says about you on a message board that hardly anyone reads.
Honestly, how does that work?

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Scattermouse,

Unfortunately, your reply is on the 2nd page, and I can't tell if you were directing this reply to me, or another's reply. May I ask, have you read my responses? I don't see where any of my responses indicate that I was offended.

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its how the church is killing god actually. its subtle, but there.

sadly, its not that far from the truth, hence why bill donahue, head of the catholic league is against it, because it treats god as a supreme ruler, not a tool of bigots and racist, which both he is, and the magisterium in the books are. thanks be to god that most of the catholics in the world are good, moral people who just want to lead better lives.

I have read the books, and as a chirstian, I wasent offended, because as a christian, and as a avid thinker, it was blatantly obvious to me the books were about abuse of power by organizied religon, not about killing god, which is the view of some characters, but if you read the book, what gets killed at the end of the series is not god, but a imposter that was worshiped as god by humans. the human church wanted to destory the real god of the series, which created the imposter angel that claimed to be god. that being Dust, which was chosen by biblicl teachings. all returns to dust, because all returns to god in the end.

phillip pullmens point was to shed light on when religon becomes a power grab, and not a moral code. bill donahue proves phillip pullmens point to a plum.

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Should have made myself clearer. I wasn't talking about you, or anyone else specifically, just saying that everyone seems to be getting a bit aggressive about what is, at the end of the day, only a discussion. Incidentally, you can change how many messages display per page, just click on My Profile and scroll down.

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I absolutely agree that you (or anyone) has the right to choose what they will or will not watch for whatever reason they see fit. I appreciate that you've done 'research' and come to your own conclusions about the work. I implore everyone to do so. However, I cannot understand for the life of me, how anyone can ever come to their own conclusion about any work, no matter how much research they do, without examining the work, itself. If we're going to allow ourselves to be offended by a work (of fiction, no less) hadn't we ought to allow ourselves to be offended by the actual work, rather than others' opinions or descriptions of it. Critical examination of a written work would seem essential to the research of the work. After all, it is merely a written work of fiction. After reading it or watching the film (which should not shock any more so than the prior research), one, as an adult, can discern whether or not the work itself is truly as offensive as others have lead to believe.

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I suppose the rest of us are supposed to applaud your heroic non-accomplishment?

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Why, Vanntab? Of course I don't expect that. Am I supposed to applaud you and those who did watch it as though you accomplished something?

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you're being completely disingenuous, of course.

If you really wanted people to research it independently *and decide for themselves* you would have done just that.

instead, you state your opinion and lead with strident tones.

If you really wanted others to think for themselves, you would have suggested so right out of the gate, and then provided links to get people started.

No one should be afraid of a story.

If you are afraid of one, tend to your own knittin' first. From where comes your fear?

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How do you know you won't love the books and movie?? Even if you don't like the religions issues you should read it because it is beautifully written! It's really great read!

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The books are great and they get better as they go on, the film, well its ok for kids who maybe haven't read the books, so don't know what great things they are missing.
But the book really are worth a look, I had decided I didn't wat to read them, and now I have I'm glad I did. Great story which calls on you to put yourself right in the thick of such a rich plot.




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