Terrible Movie


I just watched this on HBO and I have to conclude that this is one of the more over-rated movies I have seen in a long time. It was completely biased, boring and uninspiring. Yes, Bush and FEMA dropped the ball big time with Katrina but am I really supposed to feel sorry for these people? They were drug dealers, high school dropouts, lazy and welfare recipients before Katrina hit and now are mad that the government didn't bend over backwards to help them? The whole movie was nothing more than a splicing of an amateur's camcorder anti government rants. It is shocking that this was nominated for an Oscar.

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This is a DOCUMENTARY. The movie was not meant to be inspiring, it was meant to show how Katrina affected people.

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In my case I had not seen much of Katrina on the news but had heard and read a lot about the devastation. This documentary was my first glimpse of the hurricane in full flow and it had me aghast. Thereafter, the mismanagement of the entire rescue operation was shocking for a first world country like the USA, whose government supposedly is sensitive about the safety and security of its citizens. The 911 call made me want to cry.

Agreed the movie did eventually get very slow and boring wherein the same point was repeated over and over. However the first half of the film alone did enough justice to it for me to recommend it to others.

So, I apologise but my point of view is different from that of the others here.

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"Trouble the Water" is in NO WAY a fair example of the United States as whole, not even close. Please do not let the workings of New Orleans broken down government, crime, school drop out rates and public assistance experts in the city give you the wrong impression of an entire country.

Indeed, what happened was a catastrophe , unlike anything we'd seen in over 40 years or more. And while I agree that FEMA should have gone in there within hours, not days, after the storm, the crimes, shooting at helicopters and ambulances is sp typical of inner city New Orleans, Still is today. That is exactly where waiting on the government to do everything for you, has gotten them. Many of their elected officials are no different. I should know, I see it EVERY DAY. That's why the National Guard had to come in and protect their own selves as well a others. the elderly in such despair just breaks my heart :(((. But thanks to some knuckleheads who've done nothing but make the city a miserable place to live because of their crimes? A LOT of people suffered needlessly, whether FEMA arrived on the spot or not.

A question was posed after the storm, which asked "If Katrina had happened any other place in the US, would it have been so bad?" The BEST response I heard was "No - the end result would be different, because the people would be different." And he was right.

The 911 call occurred when the storm was just beginning (keep in mind phone service/power was out for weeks once the storm hit with the worst of it) No rescue teams were going out in the peak of these storms, and people were advised of this from the very start. I've seen cops who risk life and limb going through storms and fire to save another, and no matter what it always seems they get the short end of the stick. Anyway, we got a LOT of help calls like this, when the storm had barely just begin, and people who stayed behind realized how dangerous it was to have stayed in their homes.

There is a line in the doc that reads "there were no busses going out of town for evacuees." Something like that, and that particular line is misleading to say the least. The FACT is, transit busses were up and down all over New Orleans the Saturday before, giving people FREE rides to the Superdome if they had no other way to get to safety. THESE BUSSES WERE COMING BACK EMPTY. So true enough, these busses were not going to take people out of town, but they certainly would have taken them to higher ground for FREE, thus reducing the amount of drownings that occurred from a levee never built to withstand any storm larger than a Cat 3 in the first place. Many able bodied people (much like the character in this documentary) did NOT take opportunities to leave their home when it was given to them, and regretted it soon enough. She says she "Couldn't afford to leave"? My ass - that bus ride straight through her neighborhood, several times a day, to higher ground was FREE. Alas, that's all my fault, the tax payers fault, the governments fault, etc. NEVER their own. And personally speaking, responsibility is something several citizens in New Orleans could use more of. I speak from experience - neatly 40 years worth unfortunately.

I'm so sorry to you personally “CrappyDoo (hahaha!)“ that my words seem harsh. I truly am. But I have grown up and known this city my whole life, and I've never seen it as disgusting as what it is now. It juts keeps getting worse - but the city has a government who allows it to happen to maintain their votes in office. There are anywhere from 2 to 4 murders a night, mostly black youth but not all, and these kids are dropping out of high school with parents who let them because they did it themselves., Many of those who do choose to stay in school can hardly string a sentence together to pull off of a job interview, let alone fill out an application for work or college. Take a good look at New Orleans now and during the storm - and that’s exactly where voting straight down a party line in Louisiana due to race will get you. Fortunately for me, I’m bipartisan and vote for any candidate I want. The only hopes many low income youths have in NOLA is getting paid by becoming a hip-hop or rap star. Ask them yourself if you ever visit the states. I did. Thank God there are still parents who do care about where they, and their children will end up in their careers. Thank god not all inner city black youth want to be a hop-hop star. It’s just that’s all most are ever encouraged to be, and I think that’s soooo wrong. God these kids can do so much more of they were just allowed to think how important responsibility and education truly is.

This woman just wanted to some publicity to promote her cd and get famous. Keep in mind, SHE went after the film crew asking them to follow her. This stupid woman is just like a lot of other youth in NOLA who want to be famous too. They are a dime a dozen, and truly one of the saddest sights you will ever see. MOST IMPORTANTLY this doc does NOT represent the average American citizen/youth. THANK GOD FOR THAT. They were looking for a boo-hoo pitiful story (as if blacks in New Orleans were the only ones who suffered). People all over the coast are still suffering from Katrina, many of them white, elderly and disabled, with hardly a dime to their names left on top of the personal loss of husbands, wives and children too.

Thanks for letting me vent, Scoob. My sincerest apologies if I’ve offended you, it was not intentional.
Ali


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So blatant discrimination at worst, or inner-city apathy at best from the federal government is not indicative of the United States, but ignorance in the black community amongst the poor is? Well thank you for your highly impartial point of view jerk. As someone who was raised in similar conditions, your assessment of this country only further proves how awful opinion can be swayed when ONE person's is allowed to dictate the conversation.

Your point of view thankfully is not the only one. There IS a reason that people have been in the same situation by and large since antebellum days...and it damn sure isn't the pursuit of "bling" as you so eloquently spoke of. To go into detail would merely be oxygen wasted as you have already clearly bigoted your viewpoint. But to make this something where only black people are a certain way or somehow deserved this because of a lack of response on the whole is remarkably ignorant. But considering that people like you consistenly expect folks to act like you or somehow be less than you only shows YOUR failings, not these people. Because like you touched upon, there ARE kids who are raised to value education and don't live and die trying to be an athlete or entertainer. And guess what, THEY GOT AFFECTED BY KATRINA TOO!

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Not only did you admit that you stopped watching it, but you called someone who was essentially the star of the film "one lady" as if you weren't really paying attention at all — or did they just all look alike to you? Maybe you should try to do less multi-tasking when you watch movies.

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I am appalled by the veiled and not-so-veiled casual racism exhibited by some of the posters here. But not surprised.

I think you almost have to cry for this country when:

1) Some Americans think some people are less deserving of rescue from a national disaster than others.

2) Some Americans think black people care only about fame and fashion, and therefore, are less deserving of help.

3) Some Americans believe that there's "no segregation" in the same breath that they point out blacks are overwhelmingly the victims of crime and bad role models.

It's this sort of racism and rationalization that motivated the Bush Administration, or rather, de-motivated them from acting like Katrina was the sort of emergency it already was from Day One. Barbara Bush even chimed in to say that federal aid shouldn't make them "better than they were before Katrina".

With the technology and wealth that exists today, most natural disasters are actually social disasters, expressions of the tragic inequity in a land of plenty.

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@dalben.You said:"I am appalled by the veiled and not-so veiled casual racism exhibited by some of the posters here.But not surprised."Good thing you're not surprised because there are a lot of similar comments like that on IMDb,YouTube and Yahoo.It's disgusting.

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I believe you Really missed the point of this movie. how can you feel sorry for these people? maybe because they're human beings who had to survive terrible conditions. So what if they were "lazy highschool drug dealing dropouts" what about the way they came together and rescued others in the neighborhood. or how about the way Kim's husband and Larry were enemies but came together to survive, and Larry riske his life to save people trapped in their homes while the water rose higher and higher. Kim's husband was a drug dealer yes, who was leading the wrong life, but he learned that wasn't the way after surviving hurricane Katrina. Kim was looked at as a hero because she and her hsband as well as others helped those who couldn't help themselves. They risked their lives for others. which was shown throughout the film. There wasn't much in the "anti government" rants. If you payed attention. You would notice that they thanked the army as well as the national guard for being there in New orleans. I think its easy for you to feel the way you do because you do not understand their suffering or what they went through. I think it is sad that you have missed the point of this movie. This film was not an anti government film. It was simply a film about showing what they went through. what they suffered through and what they learned. They were able to survive and make a new life for themselves. So, Yes. it did deserve and Oscar because it showed the truth of struggling and change, and triumph coming out of such terror. No one came for these people, so they had to SURVIVE, which is something they have been doing their whole lives.

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Nicely put, Kimbo. Their story was not simply some boo hoo, woe is me, anti govt. docudrama. It was about a family who saved others, as well as themselves. It is wrong to judge these people who suffered in Katrina so harshly; no person is better than another, despite any circumstance. So what if they sold drugs, dropped out, etc., they're still human beings who were treated like scum. Where is the humanity?

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it was good.

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I agree. The first posts here are about as shallow as you could ever imagine, written by people with no idea whatsoever about what it would be like to grow up in a ghetto environment (i.e., people who are the problem, not the solution). Plus, if you watched the Q&A in the extras it's clear that the couple wasn't thinking about Kim's CD or being famous at all when she approached the filmmakers — they were only hoping they could get some sorely needed cash for their footage by selling it to what they thought were newscasters. They had just spent five days trapped in their attic and with no hope of finding work — the idea of criticizing them for this is embarrassing to even read. Contrary to what some believe, people in the ghetto are constantly looking for ways to make some money. They have to.

And no, the movie does not get boring towards the end, with the long-term fate of these people unresolved, especially if you have any kind of empathy for what they had to go through. And if you didn't... well, I imagine you also thought Brownie did a great job.

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@J_Carls.You said:"And no,the movie does not get boring towards the end,with the long-term fate of these people unresolved,especially if you have any kind of empathy for what they had to go through.And if you didn't... well,I imagine you also thought Brownie did a great job. 

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I just saw this last night, and even though I saw all the media coverage of the hurricane back in '05, this was definitely even more of an eye-opener - giving a first-hand look of how the residents were dealing with the aftermath.

I am just as disgusted as joyceday - how can others (particularly the first few posters on here) make such horrible comments about these residents? Sure, being a drug dealer and a high school dropout are not good things at all. They don't necessarily make the person bad - just a person whose made bad decisions. Is it because they're black? Probably. If this had happened in a predominately white, more middle class, higher income area, help probably would have arrived sooner. And everyone here would probably agree. The point is though, these were people who experienced a horrific, catastrophic natural disaster, and the government did f up really bad on this one.

For those who make such snide and horrible comments about the Katrina victims, then the same could be said if a bad earthquake hit Stockton, CA. Oh we're not going to go rescue or help those people for days because it's a predominately black, crime-ridden neighborhood, so we're going to leave them to fend for themselves and build their homes back on their own just like the Katrina victims? Seriously? I thought, even in 2005 the US was supposed to be more progressive than that. Save anyone whose experiencing such conditions no matter what their demographic/background/ethnicity. It doesn't matter WHO its happening to, aid should come as soon as possible.


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the point that was missed is that the government was not prepared to give aid to a flooded city. People in other areas did not have as much trouble getting a FEMA response because the logistics were not as difficult. It was more than Orleans parrish that was flooded. Plaquemines and St. Bernard Parrish were flooded as well. BUt that was predominantly white people and that does not make a good as a story as the lower 9th ward does. Katrina was a horrific event but much of the suffering that occurred in New Orleans was the responsibility of the people and their inability to cope with the situation and a local government that was totally unprepared to access the Federal aid that was available. Katrina was at best a once in a hundred year event and no government agency can prepare or drill for that occurrence. the anti government rants turned me off and for the most part it was a bunch of wards of the state that dont contribute but then turn it into a political event. The suffering by the elderly in the hospitals and nursing homes was much worse than what these folks went through but that does not make a good political statement as funds were not a problem for those people it was just the situation that made them suffer and there was no apparent person or group that could be made a scapegoat like FEMA>

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I thought it was an awesome documentary. It deserved every honor bestowed upon it.

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I agree. These commentators are the most vile reactionaries I've ever listened to. It's not even worth trying to speak about them. America has a serious poverty problem, a serious health care problem... but I some people will never open their eyes to the other America.

Speaking of I recommend Michael Harrington's seminal work "The Other America".

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Just for the record, I'm a white guy, middle aged, grown up in the suburbs and don't listen to rap (outside of old timers like Guru's Jazzmatazz and Digable Planets and Spearhead)... and I was touched immensely by this film and the people in it, and even prayed for them before I went to sleep last night.

Just thought I'd throw up a post to say that not all suburban whites think the same. I don't know what to do about all the race problems in this world, but I think God wants reconciliation, and I hope to work toward that in any way I can.

Not all suburban whites are as calloused and arrogant as some of the posters in this thread.

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why is it shocking it was nominated for an Oscar? Do you know the kinds of crap that get nominated for oscars??? Why are you acting like the Oscars somehow mean something, because they don't.

Well since you're the kind of person that would place importance on Oscar wins I guess I can discredit your entire post.

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I agree. I felt bad for some of the stuff, but it was way too biased for me. Very anti-government and very anti-white.

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Yes it was. There are many documentaries FAR BETTER and non-biased than this load of horse hockey. It's obvious that whoever was responsible for creating this must have been either desperate to get a popular subject as Katrina on film, or didn't know the difference between what real suffering was/is during the storm and those just waiting for the government to do everything for them while hoping to jump start their their rap career.

Stupid.

There are several documentaries and books about Katrina available. This one in particular, because of it's biased and subjective nature, needs to be at the bottom of the pile.

Even better, talk to regular, middle class, hard-working black, white, creole, vietnamese, hispanic, et al residents across the Gulf Coast and they will give you a far more accurate depiction of this catastrophe than what "Trouble the Water" could ever dream of.

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I must say, it is truly appalling to me how people could ignore the real issue that is presented so clearly in this documentary. The people in the "ghetto" of New Orleans were ignored years before Katrina ever got here. Let's clear up on thing: the fact that they are drug dealers, high school dropouts, and welfare recipients does NOT make them lazy. The truth is, they are unfortunate. Yes, unfortunate and uneducated. They were raised by parents who, for whatever reason, did not push them to succeed in the way that your parents may have. Their environment is not conducive to success. They need motivation and a reason to succeed.

Imagine that you are an African American born in New Orleans in, say, 1985. Your mother is on drugs, your father left her when you were born. You were raised by a sick grandmother on her deathbed. On the streets, kids are selling drugs and making big money. Definitely more than what you can get with merely a high school diploma. Your school is crap because all the good teachers only want to teach at schools that are "safe," with students who were raised in good homes. Where is the motivation to "succeed"?

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