A Cultural Question


I saw this film yesterday in my city's art house (as we're fortunate enough in little old Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada to have access to an art theatre)... I enjoyed the film immensely, even though the blend of fantasy and reality blurred too wildly for mystory-telling tastes (it worked for the film so my personal taste comes second).

My question then, is about culture, as I'm terribly underexposed to Indian cultures - I loved 'Water', and 'The Darjeehling Limited', though the latter of course isn't a very clean exposure to Indian cultures, filtered as it is through an American cast/crew/writer/director/producers.

Chand's story was touching and sad, and she was surrounded by characters both colourful and vividly performed by the entire cast, the acting was phenomenal all around. My cultural question then is, is this an accurate depiction of the power dynamic within (traditional) Indian families? Clearly her own mother and family were presented as being very liberal, she was able to develop her own strengths freely and attend college in India. But the family into which she marries is (from my perspective, and in comparison to her birth family) entirely *beep* up.

Mehta is telling a great story and making a point about being strong enough to remove oneself from this situation, and for women/people to be strong enough to stand on their own in the hardest conditions. BUT, my question is, was this an accurate portrayal of married life and gendered roles/expectations in an Indian family? Or are Rocky and his family exagerrated charicatures?

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No, it's not an accurate portrayal of an Indian family. I think Mehta's point was to show us what the immigrant experience is like, and not specifically what an Indian family is like. Spousal abuse, living in a house with so many relatives, overbearing mothers, etc. happens in ALL cultures. However, I think Mehta wants to reveal that these are the problems faced specifically by immigrants. It is clear that Rocky's family has not been in Canada for that long either, so they are also adjusting.

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they are definitely not exaggerated caricatures... but this is NOT the general case. Deepa Mehta has tried to show a particular aspect. India has a huge population as you know and the urban section only contributes a very small percentage therefore the people usually I interact with dont have such experiences in general, but punjabis have a reputation of violence against women and oppression. Having lived in the capital city of india I have seen with my own eyes women being beaten by their husbands in a car or in front of their home.. such witnessing of violence had ripped my heart to the core and the emotion cannot be expressed! but then again... it happens in all cultures and societies, there are horrible people out there who abuse their wives and children, the only thing that may be different in case of india is the presence of the family! Its very sad and this problem prevails in canada because there are a large number of punjabi immigrants there and many such cases have been heard of in india, where girls had been married to an immigrant boy and later was found out that he already had a wife there and other such examples.

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this story shows a lot of truth about lives of many women in India but this is definitely not the story of every women here. In fact, I find this kind of brutality happening to be very rare these days. but We do keep on hearing such incidents in news but again... quite uncommon.

and there do exist families who are crazy like rockys... its one of a kind and they do exist! But I guess these kind of families exists all over the world and no one should make any prejudices here. I see 'desperate housewives' but I know that not every American housewife is desperate and ready to have extra-martial affairs all the time.

Remember movies and news never show what is 'general'... 'general' is boring and predictable. They make movies because, no matter if its a part of society or not, it's different. This kind of gender role is not the story of every married Indian couple. But again I do not deny that there exists unequality in power and status and role. I know families where women have less or none freedom to make decision and then there are families like mine where we have all freedom given to individuals irrespective of gender. Indian Society is changing at a fast pace and no one can be stereotyped.

Education, effect of western societies and role of mass media etc are playing a major role here. as a matter of fact Indian women have maximum number of laws to ensure their status in society. Indian women have way more social freedom then the women of countries like Iran but definitely lesser then those of America.But Women are stepping out and claiming their position in society.

Read books instead of watching movies if you really want to know about Indian culture. movies are mostly filled with partial view points and concocted facts to make it more commercial.

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Yes, there are a large number of women in India and abroad who undergo such situations. It's very sad that something like this happens to a woman. But a woman can never speak against them because of the pressure from both her in-laws and her real family.

Marriage in India is a big deal and divorce is even a bigger deal, especially in small towns. It's very difficult for a divorcee to marry again, unlike in western countries. So, that's why they've to bear with all this torture.

Things get ugly for an Indian woman in abroad because a woman will have no place to go. Moreover, many people marry outside in India so that they can get a better life and girl's parents have their own selfish interest in this just like Chand's parents who wanted her bro to settle in Canada. It's a f()cked up thing but it's true.

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Hi Dante

the depiction of the characters in the movie is definitely not exaggerated. I have lived in 4 different countries and seen the indian expat families .i have seen or heard these kind of incidents alot. Now the main problem that deepa mehta was trying to portray in the movie is not just how hard it is for a gal to adjust in a new place and new family but like someone said b4, divorce is a big deal for most indian families. So most girls just bear the torture and dun complain to authorities as the guy leaving the gal wud bring disgrace to the gals family *beep* up societal norms).

Though things are changing with the young generation and the gals being more independent, but the sad part is these things still exist. Even in the educated urban society of india. The fact that the gal is overseas and has no one to look after her so she can do nuthin but to bear wat *beep* they throw at her.

Deepa Mehta has given an excellent portrayal of the situation. And just to help you understand the fantasy and reality confusion in the movie, actually is the stories Chand;'s mother told her when she was a kid. These stories were told probably when she was scared as a kid over sthing and mum said these things to make her feel better. Now that she is so faraway from her mum she is reciting those same stories to herself to give her strength and thats where the fantasy part comes which gives her strength, hope and (a bit of) love and care that she was craving for which ultimately made her strong enuff to leave her jack ass husband and go home.

Hope it made sense :) Cheers

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I would say the answer is both "yes" and "no". As in all cultures, you will find both liberal and conservative, both progressive and misogynistic, both enlightened and evil. I think with Indian culture (and with Punjabi culture in particular as depicted in the film) misogyny is in many instances a mainstream value (and when I say value, I mean it is considered of VALUE to believe that women are naturally inferior, morally subordinate creatures whose lives ought not to amount to more than a lifetime of unpaid servitude. If you watch mainstream Bollywood "Hindu Family Values Musicals" like "Hum Aapke Hain Kaun", "Dil To Pagal Hai", "Hum Saath Saath Hain" and "Maine Pyar Kiya" you will see a glamorized version of this brand of hatred of the female which celebrates women who squash any and all personal desires for their extended families, male relatives, and (of course) the religious patriarchy. Any woman who is self-motivated or interested in realizing her own dreams and desires without the help of her father, brothers, or the film's hero is automatically branded a virago, a shrew, and a conniving evil bitch.) It is also worth noting that the Punjab region of India is oft noted for the large number of honor killings committed against women and their entire families who are thought to have dishonored the social mores upon which their society functions.

This is NOT, however, to excuse the atavistic violence portrayed in "Heaven On Earth": too many who have seen the film have tried to defend the Indian culture's fundamental misogyny with the standard "Well, it happens in every culture." This is NOT the point the film is making nor is it relevant to the discussion on domestic violence.

India, like China, is a culture of vast and profound differences. The imprint of its past whose origins are untraceable and the influence of the "progressive" West in modern times are both essential to any understanding of the culture which now calls itself "Indian". This discussion is too long to be had here within the confines of an internet chat, but suffice is to say Deepa Mehta has given at least a glimpse into the wide canyon that exists between the various conceptions of women and femininity in Indian culture: she is both devi (goddess) and slave. To some she is to be worshiped, to others she is pure chattel.

I believe that the main point Deepa Mehta was trying to make is that misogyny and violence are so "normalized" in certain families that the daily beatings and mental torture they bring are almost incidental to the lives of the families involved. You can see it in the way Chand's niece and nephew react to their uncle's beating of his new bride. The nephew already knows that women are to be handled with little respect, while the niece internalizes her grief at during every beating, knowing full well that this will likely be her fate as well as an adult. It is heartbreaking to watch her young soul die a little more after each beating.

The magical realism which Mehta employs throughout the story shows the audience that there are those who will resort to outlets other than 911 and judicial courts to escape from hellacious circumstances. Like Toni Morrison's master novel "Song of Solomon", Mehta shows how the devastated are able to remain hopeful by relying on the legends of the past, legends which may not translate to reality, but which make the sufferers believe that they too may one day soar above the slave fields and transform their tormentors into lovers.

As Chand demonstrates at the end of the film, success is not always possible, but survival just might be.




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