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why arent there any men shown?


why aren't there any men shown on the film?
my first impression was that it was made by a lesbian director, non the less she is freshly married with a baby..

so what is it?

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There are men, although your point is well taken, that there really aren't any in significant parts or shown very much.

The grandfather is shown in the film, as is Men when the girls are buying things in some of the shops. And of course, there are a number of boys.

But I didn't realize the lack of men until you brought this up. Most definitely a specific choice, but I'm not yet sure the significance of it.

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The whole assumption that the movie has absolutely anything to do with the personal life choices of the director is ridiculous. The vast majority of movies aren't even written by the director.

As for the reason why little to no male figures are shown, I can only assume that it's to exaggerate the absence of the father. The father has abandoned his family, leaving the mother to be the sole caregiver of the children. The mother, and consequently all female characters, play large roles in the children's lives whereas men are peripheral characters - absent just like the father.
It's not a statement of sexual preference - it's an example of choices affecting others.

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There are no women in many MANY films, but people don't see it as any sort of reflection on the director.
The children's world is a world of women.

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There are no women in many MANY films, but people don't see it as any sort of reflection on the director.
The children's world is a world of women.
Well said!




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my first impression was that it was made by a lesbian director
ROFLMAO. That's effing hilarious. Should I make the same ASSumption over every movie that practically has no women in it, that the director must be gay!? Jeez, there are an awful lot more homosexuals in this world than statistics would indicate. I'm sorry I find your attitude kind of offensive. Just because a woman directed a movie that didn't feature a lot of men (did you just forget about the guy with the cell phone, the shop keeper and the grandfather?), she must be lesbian?! I don't see the LOGIC. Because there isn't any. How in the world does someone's sexual preference have to do anything with this movie, which has nothing about sex in it at all? You must have failed comprehensive reading in school, your interpretive skills are horrendous.

The past 100 years women have been fighting for equal rights and equal treatment in a once very sexist society. I grew up in the 70s and 80s, and when I was little, I was asked (in class) what I wanted to be when I grew up, and I said "a firefighter." My (female) teacher burst out, "HA HA HA, WOMEN CAN'T BE FIREMEN!" and the entire class proceeded to laugh at me. She told me to become a secretary and "stop dreaming." A few years later I was playing 1st base during co-ed gym class softball, and my big fat sexist gym teacher stopped the game just to remove me from the position, saying "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! A GIRL CAN'T PLAY FIRST BASE!" That was the general attitude a mere 35 years ago and those are only 2 of thousands of similar sexist situations that have happened to me. The 80s weren't that much better. But slowly things have changed and now there's nothing women can't do, they're even soldiers in the army, high political positions, etc. But believe it or not there are still men who think and feel like women are second class citizens who can't be good leaders because they make "irrational decisions" because of PMS, and other stereotypical myths & misinformation. Just when I think things have changed, along comes someone who thinks that just because a female director made a movie without a lot of men in it, that MUST mean she's a lesbian, even though there's absolutely nothing sexual in the movie whatsoever, and there's NO mention of sexual preference at all. It'd be one thing if the movie was about a lesbian, but it's not! It's about children abandoned by their parents.

Not only are there not a lot of men in the movie, there are not many adults in the movie, in general. The camera focuses on things in such a way to emulate what the children are seeing - whatever is immediately in front of them. Because they have a limited ability to see "the bigger picture," the camera rarely even pans back enough to see more than adults' legs, or even to show the entire room they're in. We practically never actually even see the aunt's face - the person taking care of them and closest to them at the time - because the kids are left alone to raise themselves, more or less. There's the man with the cell phone whom they ask to call their mother. There's the old man who runs the local shop who gave them change for their money. The grandfather you don't see hardly at all, because he's very busy (and seems rather grumpy), and he doesn't interact with the children very much. Because the grandmother is left to care for them, that's why you see a lot of her. It's not a bias against males, it's simply because they're very young girls and they relate more to the grandmother. She teaches them how to prepare vegetables, get water, collect firewood, etc. so we see the grandmother more because she's more a part of their lives than anyone else in the movie (aside from the 2 sisters themselves). It's not, however, a conscious decision to leave all men out of the movie.

I didn't even know the director was female until a year after I first saw the movie. It's ridiculous to have assumed the director was a lesbian, I would think you'd be too embarrassed to even admit that. You say there aren't any men in the mnovie, and that's not even true, there are plenty of them. They're just not interacting much with the girls. But what's funny is how many movies have been made BY men that are 99% ABOUT men. How about practically every western ever made? The lucky women in those movies are usually either in/running a whorehouse, or some faceless homestead woman, cranking out kids and working the farm at the same time, but unimportant to the central story. How about every medieval-style fantasy movie, where the only female is some prissy princess who simply helplessly awaits being saved by the hero. Are those movies made by gay guys because there are hardly any women in them?

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