Bible bashing much?


I have nothing against Christians (and granted i have only seen one episode of this) but this doesnt just seem like a show that has Christian "morals" it seems more like a show that is blatently trying to scare people with religious propoganda. Its all very one sided and the non religious are reprisented as either EVIL or highly misguided.

I have only seen one episode so if i am missing something please let me know. I welcome feedback. But i didn't lke what i saw. I have nothing against a show thats made by Christians or anything, its just this seems a bit much to me.

It almost seems petty.


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I don't think so... what do you mean, "trying to scare people"? I think it's trying to scare people of all beliefs and none cos it's a show full of horror. Knives appearing from nowhere, blood, levitating people, disembodied voices, nuns on fire ... that's going to scare you whatever your beliefs.

Apparently, other people on this board have claimed that this is not a show made by Christians... apparently the writer's an atheist.

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I can see what you mean as this show is categorised on the BBC site as

Genre:
o Drama:- Horror & Supernatural


So yes I can see why you would think it is trying to scare people but not any more than the series, Supernatural?

I did not see that getting the same sort to outcry as Apparitions but I guess that is because it featured two 'good looking' guys and not a Catholic priest.

Why the Catholic aspect horrifies people so much I have no idea. I like the thought of Priests exorcising demons they same way I like the thought of police catching bad guys, or super heroes catching super villians.





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Its funny how its fine for films/moves and TV dramas to potray Christians as Psycho nut jobs, but if it shows them outwitting athiests, its suddenly "Christian propaganda"

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The show is made by atheists, so I'm not sure it could be called Christian propaganda. The writer just thinks religion is interesting to explore.

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"I like the thought of Priests exorcising demons they same way I like the thought of police catching bad guys, or super heroes catching super villians."

The thing is, only one of those is real, and that's the police catching - or at least going after - the baddies.

When was the last time you saw the Joker in real life? Or opened a cupboard to find Lilith going through your knicker drawer?

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The thing is, only one of those is real, and that's the police catching - or at least going after - the baddies.


Ahhh!!! to you that is the only one that is real but you must also remember that demons and possession are real to some people too.

A lot of different people have a lot of different beliefs.



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...The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few...

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I'm well aware of that, and they are perfectly entitled to believe whatever they want, just as long as they don't insist that a superstition equates to a fact.

I know that I could find groups of Christians who would laugh at yet more different beliefs, such as people like David Icke and Erich von Däniken espouse.

The curious thing is that the more controlling the religion, the more upset they become when challenged. It's their way or the highway.

And don't forget, there was a time when people *did* expect the Spanish Inquisition...

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Its funny how its fine for films/moves and TV dramas to potray Christians as Psycho nut jobs, but if it shows them outwitting athiests, its suddenly "Christian propaganda"

Some Christians 'are' psycho nut jobs, plenty on death row and in every day life. TV/movies imitate life so it is fine for them to be there. Its also fine for them to be shown as lovely sane people.
Of course he outwitted the athiest in a fictional world where demons and God are real, its as much to be expected as the guy in a monster movie who does not believe the monster to be real getting eaten/proven wrong.

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I don't mind being proven wrong; I wouldn't be so keen on being eaten, any more than if I was a Christian I would be keen to encounter a 'real' demon.

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One could argue that _you_ are entitled to believe whatever you want, as long as you don't arrogantly label other peoples' beliefs "superstition". To quite a few out there, it's _not_ an obvious "fact" that things such as "demons" don't exist.

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Of course I'm entitled to believe whatever I want, and that isn't subject to your permission.

Consequently if it is my opinion - and it is - that belief in these things constitutes superstition this is absolutely my right. If you wish to believe differently that is your prerogative. This has nothing to do with arrogance.

So far as demons are concerned - show me. Make a believer of me. Give me proof. If you can't then I am afraid that belief is on the same level as people walking on water and turning water into wine.

To repeat: you can believe whatever you want. Just don't expect me to share that belief without empirical evidence.

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To label someone else's world view (or part of it) as "superstition" simply because it does not conform to yours is indeed something I find arrogant. It's a "I am right and you're wrong" mentality, even though neither party can produce any hard evidence for their belief. And "belief" is the key word here - your secular point-of-view is just that, a belief. You just choose to place your faith in Western science rather than divine (or whatever) forces. Branding other people's views as incorrect, old-fashioned, ridiculous or whatever isn't much better than the way the Church treated people (e.g. scientists) who did not conform to the accepted ideas back in the old days. There are many scientific theories that cannot be proven (that's why they are theories), yet curiously enough many sceptics seem to have an easier time accepting the string theory than anything related to spiritual matters.

As for evidence, how would you suggest that one would go about "proving" the existence of demons? Even if they exist and I'd end up being possessed by one, I suspect that you'd likely just dismiss it as temporary insanity or something along those lines, even if there was no medical proof to back that up. As Carl Sagan put it "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" - he was of course not talking about demons, but rather about the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe. At the time, many of his peers scoffed at the idea. Today, the situation is thankfully not quite the same. Whether or not we'll see a similar shift when it comes to more spiritual matters - including malevolent "spirits"/"demons" or whatever - remains to be seen, but I doubt that it would hurt anyone to try to keep an open mind instead of dismissing it all off-hand.

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I've done the open mind bit. I've been reasonable and made an effort to discuss this stuff. All I get from sanctimonious sky-pilot twits is the argument that I am in the wrong, and I will surely go to hell. Bring it on, baby.

I don't come here to have arguments which are subject to the approval of another's imaginary friend. You want to believe, fine. Just give me the same latitude.

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Perhaps I read a little too much into what you wrote - I simply am not a fan of the word "superstitious", as I find it rather disrespectful towards those its aimed at. For the record, I am agnostic, so I generally do not "believe" one way or the other.

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Just about all of mankind is superstitious in one way or another, whether it takes the form of a religious belief or something else to ward off fear. It is an atavistic remnant of the ignorance of the first people, and their fear of the dark, whether the sun would rise again or not, and so on. The world must have been a very tiny, scary place in those days.

I am an atheist, but that doesn't mean that I don't recognise that there are areas which are still very scary. But I do reject the theist notion of an omniscient and judgemental god. I have no problems with Buddhism or the non-theist belief systems, by and large.

I have no problem with organised religion in its purest form; it is when it becomes truly perverted to further the political aims of certain people that it becomes reprehensible. A cleric I had long talks with many years ago was the first person to quote to me the old maxim that his faith was based on the willing suspension of disbelief. I tried because I had great respect for him, but I could never manage that.

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The episode which featured Satan (disguised as the Virgin Mary) telling a Muslim to worship Jesus and convert to Catholicism was very 'right on' and politically correct. The priest (Martin Shaw) says that Muhammad wasn't inspired by Satan and that there are many ways to God (actually directly contradicting what the Bible says). How this can be seen as one sided or 'Bible bashing' is a bit bizarre.

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I agree, seems to me that people want to see a religious bias so they can relate their beliefs or lack of beliefs on others, anti-catholoicism maybe?
I remember a debate on Australian TV about The Da Vinci Code when a television satirist was quoting the book as a text book and a priest had to remind him it was a book of fiction based on unrelated facts.
I enjoyed the series greatly but would not use it as a basis of my belief or not in demonic existence.

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Well, that would make it strange and exotice to the majority of viewrs, who are, basically, heathens.

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