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No. From the very top "leadership" to the very bottom ghetto follower, the BLM movement is inherently racist and promotes the lies of ghetto scum over the word of trusted and proven law enforcement Officers.

Reasonable minded people seek reform and change through movements that don't promote violence and extremism. BLM is nothing but a bunch of domestic terrorists.


Now take everything you just said and put it into context of how society and the media is treating the law enforcement profession. Amazing how the exact same thing can be said to how we are treated. Hmm. Maybe you shouldn't jump to judgement either.



To go with my last post, you want to reform the CJ system? Fine. Go for it. But why are you focusing on police? Why not the prosecutors who charge the suspects, the judges who sentence or heck, the juries who convict. Police are only one part yet we are getting the brunt of it.

Now Astr, why is that? Reform the system means reforming it all. That includes you whom one day will sit on a jury and decide the fate of one of these suspects who have committed a crime.

Edit: I work in the morning so I'm going to bed. Can't wait to see how this one plays out. Make it good y'all. I need entertainment tomorrow.



I thought you support black lives matters? What you just stated above, is what BLM do whenever there is a justified shooting by police officer to known thug who was trying to end that officer's life.

Please pray tell - there was an incident where a known Vietnamese gang banger was attempting to shoot his girlfriend in the head; police responded and he wrestled with them in front of a crowd of onlookers. Because of his stupidity and his recklessness, he was shot and killed as a result.

Where is your black lives matter? Because the guy in the example was not black? Isn't that exclusionary? Dr. Martin Luther King preached about equalities for all races, unlike race baiters - his dream was that all races were inclusive.

Most groups I have seen that call themselves legitimate organizations for a certain demographic - whether Hispanic, Asian and even some black organizations appear to help most if not all of other races other than their own. Whether that be legal representation, to obtaining a green card from overseas families - however, they do not just stick with one race.

Your BLM does. Do you not think there are Hispanics that believe the same BS you spout? Maybe some Hmongs while your at it or Native Americans on tribal land? I mean, certain groups we call thugs - could be any race; but those who are thugs of any race tend to use their race card as a crutch whenever their stupidity catches up with them and they tangle themselves with LE. Wouldn't you think BLM would want to take in ALL DEMOGRAPHICS who believe that police just want to shoot them dead? Don't you think their power is in their numbers? Blood is blood - red.

Your group only defines itself with one color. That's racist.

Why don't you support a group that isn't so contradicting and racist - be a little consistent.

Oh - while you're at it.

Deputy Goforth. What did he ever do to BLM? What did he ever do with any criminal history background, any type of racist remarks? Anything?????? Is there anything, besides the color of his skin and the uniform he put on that you could legitimately say, was the reason he was shot and killed by the black suspect?

Wenjin Lieu? Rafael Ramos? Please, do me a favor....pull up all officers who have been executed or attacked and tell me, what was their prerogative against a certain race other than doing their jobs as police officers?

The list that I love how BLM puts out - every single one of them has a shady background, criminal past, present offense(s), and are not the angels that are adored by their money grubbing relatives who happened to saunter in the arena hoping to make quick cash out of the whole thing. (IE: Michael Brown's mother's t-shirt making business blunder lmfao).

And......all these slain police officer's families ........ do you see them trying to make a cent out of it? What about suing the cowards? The slain officer's families have a lot of things in common - mainly, they want a change and they want prevention. Not money.

The multitude of families of those that BLM represents, have a lot of something in common; and you think, change and prevention? Why is it, that it doesn't play out that way....it's squabbling over money and lawsuits, and profits...where was this outspoken family in the first place?

Convince yourself, when you look at the backgrounds of those black victim's that BLM purports were harmless - look for yourself what type of person they were. Than look into the background of those slain police officers and see what type of person they were. Not even a comparison. Quit fooling yourself as BLM has done with you.


Very well said sir.


astr591, in many ways, BLM has much in common with white supremacist groups.

For some strange reason, (well, not strange at all really - you have simply been indoctrinated with all the progressive kool-aid you drink) you seem to think that BLM = all black people. That is just as false as saying that the KKK = all white people.

Nobody is blaming black people for these horrendous executions. People are placing responsibility on the BLM group - and rightfully so. Do you even listen to their rhetoric? They openly advocate violence against police.

And guess what - many police officers are black. That should tell you all you need to know about how much they care about their own - not to mention every other race.

But if you need more, and I'm sure you do, then where is BLM when innocent black children are gunned down in gangland shootings? Nowhere.

BLM is a fringe political group which has taken their own race hostage. They owe both police and non-BLM African Americans (aka the vast majority) an apology for their shameful behavior.


*beep* it doesn't matter what color the thug was who murdered the last one of my brothers, BLM incites and endorses acts of violence against LE. "Black Activists" have been calling for the murder of LE and white people (try a google search). The media is trying to sweep the call for the murder of innocents under the rug. If it were whites calling for the lynching of blacks, the media and DOJ would be all over it.


"Fringe" members like Black Lives Matter St. Paul organizer Rashad Turner trying to peddle some cockamamie story about that chant directly tied to the cold-blooded murder of two police officers is "not advocating for violence against law enforcement ... it was meant to call for similar treatment between black people and police officers." (link)

"Fringe" members like Alicia Garza idolizing a woman who murdered a state trooper?

Why is it that the BlackLiesMatter movement only seems to get traction when they lie either implicitly (the picture of child Trayvon Martin) or explicitly ('hands up, don't shoot')? Why is it that the poster children for the BlackLiesMatter are criminals like Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, et al? Why is it that when someone points a gun at the police and is shot as a direct consequence of that illegal decision, that's worthy of rioting? But when a 9yo child is shot in her own home, it's just another day in the neighborhood? Why is it that people can get murdered, robbed, and carjacked (there was a woman murdered in the neighborhood, and a veteran of the Tuskegee Airmen was robbed and carjacked in the neighborhood I'm referencing), and no one in the BlackLiesMatter movement cares?

Why is it that there's not a cry to clean up their own house, and urge every single black person in America to stop committing crimes? (Note, this is *not* saying that every black person is a criminal. The undeniable fact, however, remains that except for alcohol related offenses, arrest numbers are showing blacks make up a share disproportionate to their percentage in the population link) 49.4% of the murderers, 54.9% of the robbers, 38.5% of all violent crime, 29.3% of property crime ...

I watch a show on TV fairly often, "First 48" ... it seems like the majority of the cases involve black victims and black murderers, and a million blind people who live in the neighborhoods where the events happen, because even though everyone was there, no one ever sees a thing.

But doing things like encouraging black children to do their homework, study hard in school, and apply for a real job ... that's too much work. Good black parents are like any other good parents--they want their children to study hard in school, they want their children to participate in activities (and not just the "big" sports like basketball and football, but things like marching band, drama club, chess club, the school newspaper, learning photography, learning computer programming, etc), they want their children to grow up and get a job. Of course, that sort of thing doesn't have immediate returns like looting stores, rioting, demanding something for nothing, and calling for murder of police officers and white people.

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Lets break this down. How are we or any other law enforcement "Fascists?" You call Black Lives Matter a legitimate movement? You really think that they are fighting for fair justice? Look in the mirror and wipe some of the hypocrisy off your face. All the riots, all the protests, all the posts on Facebook and Youtube have accomplished nothing. In fact it has done more harm than good. Tell me what all the looting has done. Tell me what some ignorant BLM protesters accomplished by shouting Bernie Sanders on the stage. Tell me what the absolutely idiotic rant by King Noble has done for any black lives. Has it improved anything in the last year or how long BLM has been around? No likely except for those that made off with a TV. If anyone is closer to being a fascist it would be Obama. He believes he can do what ever he wants without congress.

Your true colors are coming out with eye for an eye and let bullets fly. Not sure what you mean by "Trial cops in your ***** democracy. It appears that when you get angry your schooling falls short. We sow nothing. We get paid by society to weed the garden not grow the garden. We get paid to put people in jail because society demands the rule of law that you and BLM despise because you feel it is the white law and not your law. For that I am not sorry. You don't like the law, become a law maker. Stop standing outside the wall throwing rocks at it. Politely knock on the door, walk through the front door, and plead your case in a rational manner.

Oh wait, that would mean you might be considered one of us and that would be terrible huh.

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to the people saying "black on black crime is the real problem with blacks"
I disagree with this sentiment as much as I disagree with the same statement about "white on white crime" or "hispanic on hispanic crime". You see, the fact about crime, and criminals, is this: criminals are lazy. They rarely like to travel very far, or work very hard. It's why you so often see "soft targets" being, well, targeted. If you're seen as more likely to defend yourself, you're less likely to be the target of crime.

Even these cop killers, shoot the police in the back or in some form of ambush (usually), minimising or negating the possibility of self-defense. Why? Because statistically, the police are more likely to win. That's why the number of officers killed is low compared to the number of people killed in OIS incidents.

Now, people of particular "races" tend to congregate in particular areas. It's why we have "black neighbourhoods," "white neighbourhoods," etc. Whether you like that or not, it's true. It's an evolutionary thing: we tend to stick with our "tribes". All mammals do it.

Now, what's the result of this? If you said, "most crime occurs where the victim is the same race as the perpetrator," give yourself a cookie.

The issue is that police officers are killing black men at a disproportionately massive rate and have been for years.
You've been given the numbers. This forum can explain it to you; they can't make you understand it. I'm not even going to be nice. I'm just going to say it: you're an idiot who refuses hard fact, like anyone that I've ever met like you, and substitutes your own reality.

How is that not a problem?
It would be a problem, if you weren't imagining it contrary to what the facts say. I encourage you to actually read the replies that you're getting.

Ignoring arguments about black on black crime- which is filled with logical holes
I've already explained to you how crime works. Imagine that. I'm giving you a basic criminology lesson, for free.

and lacks an understanding of the effects of poverty and broken families in formulating the condition for violence
Here's where you begin to **** me off.

I've lived well below the poverty line for a significant portion of my short life. I grew up with what might also be considered "a broken family": single parent, raised by people other than parents, et cetera. I live in a relatively small town, with a small job market and high demand for jobs, and I have no facilities to commute. As a result, fresh out of school, I've been unable to find gainful employment, even after having exhausted resources to the same (temp agencies, workforce commission, etc.) I've had contact with potential employers, I was just never selected for any of these jobs. It's not exactly a cornucopia. So, I'm poor. I don't come from money. I'm unemployed. You know how that makes me feel? I'll tell you: like a deadbeat. Like I don't contribute to society. It's terrible. And I'm exhausted.

You know how it doesn't make me feel? I'll tell you again: like the world owes me a damned thing. I've never once tried to explain away the fact that I'm unemployed with "oh, it's because I'm x." I do not, can not, and likely never will, understand the victim mentality any more than I understand pride based on accidents at birth. By that, I mean black pride, white pride, male pride, female pride, gay pride, any nationalism, etc. They're all dangerous concepts, and unimaginable to me.

Anyway, back on topic. I, and nobody I know, have ever resorted to stealing, and my last run-in with the police happened when I was about 15. My brother and I were out to get a soda from the gas station on the corner. Both bundled because it's cold in old halloween costumes because we didn't have jackets. Police officer sees two hooded kids in black walking down the street at night, stops us. "Who are you," "where are you coming from," "where are you going," etc. "Yes sir," "no sir," "question answering," full cooperation. Both of us left the situation with the same number of holes that we had going in.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal, I know. But, this to say, bearing racial statistics in mind as they pertain to OIS incidents, by your logic (because police are just wantonly gunning down people in the streets based on their race, right? And white people are more likely than black people to be shot by police on average), we should've been ventilated. We weren't. Why? Here's the twist: we're not criminals, and we didn't act like criminals. We didn't assault the cop. We didn't do anything that gave him reason to do anything other than investigate what I assume was a suspicious person call.

TL;DR: You can take your perpetual victimhood and shove it in your orifice of choice. Now, where was I?

even besides that, how would that make cops straight up murdering innocent people less of a problem?
Again, it would be a problem, if you weren't entirely imagining it. Have innocent people been murdered by police? Sure. Is it common? Not even. And when and where police break the law (and I mean actually break the law), you'll find nobody swifter to decry them than this board. But, don't worry, I can smell your confirmation bias from here.

Do you think people should just bow down and kneel to cops just because they're cops, even if cops have a history of abuse and mistreatment towards them? Should people just eat **** because that's what you think is right?
You don't have to respect law enforcement any more or less than any other person, but you live in this society, so you're to respect and obey the law that law enforcement enforce. Doing what the police say, to an extent, in many situations is part of that law.

Note that there isn't justification, not at all, for random violence against police
You've been given multiple examples proving this false, and I won't bother to repeat. I'm just including this to avoid your whining that I'm taking anything out of context.

but to say that police are guilt free and its all black people's fault? Come ON.
You're confused, I think. Nobody worth their salt thinks, or is saying that. However, the decision to attack police officers is absolutely the criminal's fault. Regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, or pie preference. Kindly avoid projecting your racism onto your opponents, please. Just because you think all black people are criminals doesn't mean everyone does.

And, yes, we don't blame female victims of rape for being raped because they're women. We don't blame assault victims for being assaulted because they looked at some gangbanger funny. Similarly, we don't blame police officers who are murdered for being murdered because they wear a badge. And that's absolutely what this is: police are being targeted for the shiny thing they wear. Because of people like you, who insist they have it coming for having the audacity to perform a very necessary function of civilised society.

There's a problem here in this country, a problem which has been documented by video and statistics and evidence over the past year.
Video, statistics, and evidence which you not only have entirely wrong, which you not only don't understand, but you fail to understand just why you don't understand. This, despite having it explained to you. Multiple times. The fine people on this board have tried, to no result, so I won't bother.

Unless you actually think that police shooting unarmed people in the back is somehow the fault of black people, then there's no way to say that it's all black people's fault, or whatever it is you're saying.
I've already explained why this might as well have fallen from a cow's backside, but it's included here both for an above-mentioned reason and to add the following:

I enjoy painting mean faces on my scarecrows, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof


This inbred ****head (and countless morons of his kind that populate law enforcement agencies) begs to differ...
LE hate aside, let me, as a fair-skinned, blue-eyed, burns-to-a-crisp-in-the-sun white person say to you: yes, what Dylann Roof did is horrible. But you know who did that crime? Dylann Roof. Not this amorphous mass of "whitey". Not all, or even most people of any race are criminals. Pay attention very closely, because I'm only going to say this once: a criminal is an individual that has chosen to commit a crime. The decision was made by that individual and that individual alone, and only that individual bears responsibility for making that decision.

We can argue all day long about the environmental factors involved in that decision, though I doubt that you have the intellectual capacity either to delve more deeply than "it's white society's fault," or to hold a serious and stimulating conversation with me (let alone some of the more learned and experienced posters on this board) about anything, so I won't even bother.

In short? I'd tell you what I really think of you, but there have been people banned from this site for less. And I've poured way too much personal information into this to feel comfortable carrying on.

While Professor Laurendale doesn't levy a charge for services rendered, I'd be happy to accept donations. I'm like Wikipedia, really: a wealth of useless information you could find on the Internet if you bothered to look, not a reliable academic source, and occasionally I have to shill myself out a little.

Anyway, that about wraps my diatribe for the day up. I apologize to the rest of you that I ranted on for this long, but the above-quoted did manage to **** me off. As always, O.com, stay safe out there. Don't let ****heads like this put you off the rest of us that have something resembling a brain.

Oh, and apple pie is best pie.

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another interesting article

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0c818f61a9de8
Oh, ****, he's back. Umm. Yeah, I read that. I always love me some progressive doublethink. That's about all I have to say about it.

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You guys crack me up and just prove that you got racial blinders on to keep you from dealing with the actual issue, my post becomes the scapegoat of your incapacity of grasping there's an obvious racial issue and police abuse in your country totally missing the forest from the trees.

So there's a proven systemic pattern racial profiling and unarmed black individuals being shot dead by police officers without due process and trial. When I said "eye to eye" I speak the language of Fox News and police forces apologists that fap on gun culture because that's the only language they seem to understand and to apply, when black people try to make their point and manifest peacefully they aren't heard, they're ridiculed and shut down if not beaten and jailed by the police forces keeping the status quo so now that some people retaliate and used the racial violence paradigm they're being oppressed with against the powersuits, suddenly fear has changed side and now BlackLivesMatter becomes the enemy of the (white and blue) state that must be stopped at all costs. The same ole strategy federal agencies like CIA has used to discredit and break down any progressive movements in the US, that's exactly what they want. That a bad apple casts entire discredit on a national peaceful movement for more justice to bury their legitimate concern and perpetuate the institutionalized injustice. Seemingly that strategy still works wonders...
Do I have to get out the logic again? Don't make me get out the logic again. Please, for the love of God, don't make me get out the logic again.

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