'How dare you compare euthanasia to the genocide!?'
I had tears in my eyes upon hearing this, and I'm not even Armenian.
Great movie about a great man!
one of the most memorable lines in that movie.
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What a jerk lawyer! He totally crossed the line by making that comparison. Assisting those those that want to die is nothing like the mass murder of a people without their consent!
shareNot to mention he refers to the testimonials about people's suffering as "and all that BS"
shareI hope you don't support PETA and their ilk...
PETA philosophy: "Love animals, HATE PEOPLE!!"
Yeah you obviously are very familiar with the philosophy of PETA.. But a good film, and yes that was a very powerful statement. Shivers.
"I never said all actors are cattle; what I said was all actors should be treated like cattle"
The attorney was speaking about the Holocaust, not the Armenian Genocide.
There were several misuses with the words 'holocaust' and 'genocide' in the movie. In the exhibition scene Margo uses 'Armenian Holocaust'. Genocide is a word first-presented by Raphael Lemkin for the turkish massacres on the peaceful armenian population in the borders of the ottoman empire in 1915 (although de facto such massacres star from 1880 and continue after the end of the war). Holocaust is a word used to name the WWII atrocities commited by nazi Germany and is first used in 1963 by Elie Wiesel.
I might be wrong but I think for one reason or another producers of the film filled the movie with Holocaust links not Armenian Genocide one's which Kevorkians survived which i find inexplicable.
Otherwise great movie and outstanding cast.
well, Jack K. didn't seem to mind.
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I tried to find the answer for the OP on Google but I couldn't. I don't know if that happened in the court room in reality or not but I am curious to know.
I think some take fears of what would happen if physician assisted suicide were legal a little too far.
If the court room drama of the movie was factually based, then Dr. K. had said that if legalized that a second, third and even fourth opinion should be sought before assisted suicide could be considered. He also said that a psychiatric evaluation should be sought as well.
I think he was trying to convey that he was not advocating for physician assisted suicide for people who are depressed or are at the beginning of their illness where they are not yet affected by the debilitating symptoms that they will face later on. He was advocating for someone who was already at an end stage of their disease with nothing more that could be medically done to help them live without great suffering.
I think that fear that insurance companies or doctors would encourage suicide is ridiculous.
Advice for tanmarkk:
Better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt.
it's just the simple truth
"violate me with a wine bottle"
Some years ago when I was still going to school a french lady came to my school and told her lifestory. She told us about being showed into traincarts and being transported like cattle all the way from france to Poland. The weakest fell first and the strong ended up sleeping ontop of the dead. She showed us the tatooed number on her arm and told us stories about how the ones that attempted to flee were burned alive. This lady survived Auswitch Birkenau, and the tears from her eyes when she told her tale stand as clear to me as anything - my brother was at Auswitch some years ago - the evidence is still there...
Other camps in Poland were: Stutthof, Treblinka, Chelmno, Solibor, Majdanek, Belzec, Gross-Rosen, Plaszow. Some were concentration camps - others deathcamps...
Not only does the documentation live in survivors, military as well as "political captives", but also in the extensive reports that the nazi regime were so well know for. Arguing that this isn't documented is simply mindless. Why do you think that all the jews in Denmark fled to Sweden?
My dad was a kid back then but he can still tell tales of how local resistance members were taken away and how his own father was close to getting caught when the germans started digging trenches where he has hiding some illegal magazines.
There has been historians denying the holocaust but mind you that many of those have been convicted for falsifying history. One of the prime "denyers" was David Irving - he was/is a selftaught historian born in 1938 however, and after being admitted access to russian archives he even admitted that crimes were comitted against the jews and even distanced himself from new nazi movements...
No i am not jewish myself and no i don't have any stake in this. I just think denying something like this is pretty much the same as denying gravity.
ps. You could also try googling Primo Levi or anne frank for 1st person tales.
you know tanmark I hear there's no evidence that shooting yourself in the balls with a shotgun hurts. why don't you go test that theory for us?
share"There were several misuses with the words 'holocaust' and 'genocide' in the movie. In the exhibition scene Margo uses 'Armenian Holocaust'. Genocide is a word first-presented by Raphael Lemkin for the turkish massacres on the peaceful armenian population in the borders of the ottoman empire in 1915 (although de facto such massacres star from 1880 and continue after the end of the war). Holocaust is a word used to name the WWII atrocities commited by nazi Germany and is first used in 1963 by Elie Wiesel. "
It's probably worth noting that holocaust is an actual word, not just the name of the killing of the 6 million Jews. It was around considerably longer than that. So I would wager they didn't misuse the word at all. In fact, here's the definition, you can see for yourself whether the way it was used fits with the actual meaning of the word. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/holocaust
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This is your life, and it's ending one minute at a time.
What do you know about the Turkish-Armenian thing? Armenians losted their loyalty on Ottoman Empire and Ottoman Empire sent them out of their homelands cause they had collaboration with the intruder-enemy-forces.
But there was no killing, just sending away.
The Turkish historical archieves are open. If Armenia is certain it should show it's archieves too. Otherwise this thing is just a lie, they talk about it on movies and make other people believe on this lie too.
you're a delusional moron
shareI think that what the prosecutor meant, and what was going through his head didn't really come out right when he said it. If I were to guess, I'd say that he was trying to say that legalizing euthanasia will ultimately lead to abuse, as criminals or even governments could murder in cold blood and make it look like euthanasia. He probably heard some argument or stat somewhere that suggested that the Nazis or other regimes used euthanasia as a justification for some of their murders, and it took it out of context. Or... something like that.
It was a dumb thing for him to say. He should have just stuck to a more logical argument saying that for the few lives that it make better, it won't outweigh the lives that are taken from criminals who use it as a potential defense.
I might be wrong but I think for one reason or another producers of the film filled the movie with Holocaust links not Armenian Genocide one's which Kevorkians survived which i find inexplicable.Because more people know and care about the Shoah than any other genocides? share
Nobody wakes up one morning and starts killing off a whole race with whom he has been living together for more than four centuries. Violence has never been and is never one-sided in human history. Armenians should have accepted the fact that they had dreamt a big Armenian land because of the self-satisfied instigating efforts of Russians and Turks should stop denying that there had been no killings at all!
: "It was the Seljuk Turks who saved the Armenians that came under the Turkish domination in 1071 from the Byzantine persecution and granted them the right to live as a man should."Deaths of Armenians during the "relocation" or "deportation" cannot aptly be deemed "genocide," a position that has been supported with a plethora of diverging justifications: that the killings were not deliberate or were not governmentally orchestrated, that the killings were justified because Armenians posed Russian-sympathizing threats towards a cultural group, that Armenians merely starved, or any of various characterizations recalling marauding "Armenian gangs."
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An especially brilliant moment in an altogether superb film. Pacino and Levinson at the top of their form.