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Luis Mandoki lost all credibility


How on earth can Luis Mandoki, of "Voces Inocentes" fame, pretend to give this "documentary" any credibility at all, when the guy that refuses to acknowledge that he lost the election and annointed himself "legitimate president" of Mexico did the editing himself?

Seriously Luis, if you're a filmmaker you don't let a politician, and then one of those involved in what you're pretending to document, touch your work.

I liked "Voces Inocentes", too sad that nobod will remember you for that movie.

Oh, and before anyone starts calling me names, I'm NOT right wing, not Pro-PAN or anything of the sort.

Given the above stated facts, this is just a sad piece of propaganda, not a movie or a documentary at all. So much for getting our own Michael Moore...

Ignacio

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It's so funny how right wing Mexicans are afraid of recognizing that they are right wing. That happened even in the 2000 presidential elections when former president fox said in an interview that he was "left wing". Feito, I bet you haven't even seen the movie. It shows all the video recorded information that the Mexican TV corporations refused to show. They hid the truth of the gruesome electoral Fraud that was done last year on July 2's presidential Elections. The fear of the right wing PAN (national action party) and the usurper government and it's allies is more than evident: they've tried to hide the projection of the film in many many ways. Wanna a list? In the mean time I recommend you watch the interview Julio Hernández had with Luis Manoki in www.astillero.tv
Mandoki explains why and how he made this documentary: he made it with video material that was recorded by civilians with handy cams, how in the world could Andrés Manuel López Obrador edit this movie himself? If the movie is just a bunch of BS then why did Televisa try to censor it through it's film distributor Videocine, and why have radio stations refused to air the promotional spots of the film? If there wasn't a Fraud why the hell did the electoral authorities look for all sort of excuses to refuse a full ballot recount, not only the ridiculous 9%, but a full recount? It was done in the US by the way.
Feito, I'm curious, you state you are not right wing, that your not a pro-PAN supporter, then what are you? Because if you claim you don't take sides I see that as a matter of fact you do. I do take sides and I'm not afraid to say that I support Obrador who won the election. Don't believe it? Then let's recount the votes, before they burn them.
Greetings!

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What's even more funny is that people that like to call themselves "Left Wing" were inches away from making a "Born-Again Evangelical Christian" the president of Mexico.

So Cuitlahuac, before calling anybody names, start by reading their arguments. It's a FACT that AMLO edited this "mockumentary" himself, it was all over the more serious newspapers, which you probably don't read.

If you think I'm "Pro-Televisa" I invite you to read my comments regarding the junk they produce.

Ignacio

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Well Ignacio, for most of the Mexican Left being religious stopped being an issue a long time ago, around the eighties. The Left parties stopped stressing atheism and started accepting that the struggle for a better and more just country could and can be shared by people with different religious beliefs. Even the EZLN has stated that they have people of different religions within their ranks. So as long as Andrés Manuel López Obrador stands up for Mexico's interests and he doesen't behave like a servant of foreign and private interests like the current government does he has my support. Who cares if he is an evangelical Christian.
"It's FACT" Well, give me the links to the info or the references of the newspapers. In which newspapers did you read that? Who wrote the articles? How do you know that it isn't demeaning propaganda against the documentary? In Diario Monitor, Proceso, La Jornada, I never found such data. Of course, you may not consider these as serious information sources, well, then let me know where and when did you find such false statements. Who made the discovery, some secret agent, some insider who spied on Mandoki day and night and saw AMLO giving orders on how to edit the film? Wow, didn't he get it on tape? It would a bigger scandal than the Bejarano affair. A golden opportunity for calderón the morally tiny so called president.
I'm glad that at least we agree that Televisa produces a bunch of junk.
Greeings.
P.S: if you really don't sympathize with the PAN or the Right Wing then let's read your acid and corrosive comments of the PAN, PRI, Patricia Mercado, etc.

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http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/columnas/68388.html

There's the link, now start reading several points of view on different issues and then you can go back to calling me whatever you want to call me.

Want a link from "La Jornada" that clearly states what AMLO really represents?

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/03/03/020a1pol.php

Go down the article and you'll be surprised to read what Gilly thinks of your hero.


Ignacio

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IFeito, please dont lie, the only Newspaper that published AMLO did the Editting was El universal, In a column that is called bajo reserva wich is mainly about political Gossip, not facts.

When asked Mandoki sayed AMLO did not edit the Movie. That is a FACT comming from a direct source. NOT gossip.

I think you should go and see the movie. As a Moviegoer you are supposed to see a film BEFORE you can talk about it.

your opinions clearly reflect that you have not seen the movie.

Please go see it and then you can give your opinion about it. That is the basic rule togive your opinion about. You are not supposed to talk about a movie you have not seen.


Charly78

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Charly,

Let me just understand this. You actually expect Mandoki to come out clean and say something along the lines of "OK, OK... you're right, AMLO himself did the editing of my film"... C'mon!

So the "fact" that Mandoki says he didn't is certainly not proof that he didn't.

Let me give you a piece of homework, read this article.

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/03/03/020a1pol.php

When you can explain why all "Salinista" politicians like Camacho, Ebrard, Nuñez and many others followed López Obrador during his campaign then I can start listening to your arguments, meanwhile he is just another corrupt politician trying to play the victim.

Ignacio

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by - ifeito on Sat Nov 17 2007 06:22:11 http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/columnas/68388.html

There's the link, now start reading several points of view on different issues and then you can go back to calling me whatever you want to call me.


Well, I haven't called you anything so far. No nicknames nor demeaning things. So, your definite proof is the gossip column "Bajo reserva" del Universal. I'm amazed, they've got no need to prove anything they write in that column because it's like the "Trascendidos" of the newspaper Milenio, this is, just rumors. "we are told, we are assured" by who or whom my I ask? That's all the proof of their statement.

Want a link from "La Jornada" that clearly states what AMLO really represents?

http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/03/03/020a1pol.php

Go down the article and you'll be surprised to read what Gilly thinks of your hero.

So Gilly is a Cárdenas advocate who is clearly resented because he and his ally were displaced by the PRD's voting base and by the Mexican people who preferred AMLO over Cárdenas. He says that Obrador is guilty for the incorporation to the PRD of former PRI members, well Cárdenas did the same and AMLO doesn't run everything in the PRD you know? I mean the Chuchos are the clearest proof of that.
The PAN has also incorporated former PRI Members such as Miguel Angel Yunes Sr. and Jr. Javier Lozano Alarcón and Diódoro Carrasco. In politics there is no such thing as a pure and immaculate history. During the Russian Revolution many former Tzarist officials turned Bolsheviks or Mensheviks. I don't see why Gilly is so stunned about it. Specially when nowadays Cárdenas has betrayed his father's legacy and is talking about allowing private and foreign investment in PEMEX and CFE. I'm sure Lázaro Cárdenas Father would be proud of his son (I'm being sarcastic of course).
Gilly's opinion is just another opinion in the broad spectrum of the Left. In my opinion due to the strength of Neoliberalism and it's advocates the priority was to stop the auction of Mexico's Natural and Human resources and then later we could talk about the things we didn't like of AMLO's government or his allies.
Not the other way around. In my opinion the only way to beat the old wolves of the PRI and the plundering hypocrites of the PAN is with the help of other people that match them in skills and knowledge, even if their history is far from being perfect. In the beginning Pancho Villa was an outlaw, and now he is a national hero. I know the political horizon in Mexico is very questionable, but what are you gonna do? Lock your self up in a ivory tower and say "every body sucks, no one is good enough to do anything", and not even attempt to stop the plundering and destruction of the life quality of Mexicans and the sovereignty of the country? AMLO was the only one who had a chance to start changing things, and if he did a lousy job the PRD could be ousted in the following elections.
If we've survived so many years of PRI and now 7 of the PAN, I'm sure we could have survived 6 years of PRD.
Don't knock it till you try it!
Greetings!

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Let's go the facts

>>If there wasn't a Fraud why the hell did the electoral authorities look for all sort of excuses to refuse a full ballot recount
A: because according to the electoral law of 2006 this WAS NOT POSSIBLE there was no way to do full a recount of the %100 of the votes, as a matter of fact the recount on a presidential election is included in the Mexican electoral reform for this year, and yes they did a recount of the 11% (check the facts) of the ballots with most irregularities, they did it, some ballots were canceled and some where corrected and the numbers were the same Claderon won the election.

>It was done in the US by the way.
A NO IT WASN'T , Al Gore team was asking for a recount of the Florida vote not all the votes in the 50 states as you say, please don't try to confuse the people with this.

>Mandoki explains why and how he made this documentary
He forgot to say that he was part of Lopez Obrador the political campaign, he was paid to do a political propaganda DVD called ¿Quien es el señor Lopez?

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>>If there wasn't a Fraud why the hell did the electoral authorities look for all sort of excuses to refuse a full ballot recount
A: because according to the electoral law of 2006 this WAS NOT POSSIBLE there was no way to do full a recount of the %100 of the votes, as a matter of fact the recount on a presidential election is included in the Mexican electoral reform for this year, and yes they did a recount of the 11% (check the facts) of the ballots with most irregularities, they did it, some ballots were canceled and some where corrected and the numbers were the same Claderon won the election.

Nope I'm sorry it was roughly 9% of the total amount of contested poll stations.
And if you're going to be so strictly legal, by Law, Thesis and jurisprudence the Electoral Tribunal was obliged to annul the 8, 428 ballot boxes where the votes did not match the votes and voter's lists. If they had done that, the 249,934 vote difference that favored calderón would have been eliminated and Obrador would have won by 526,786 votes.
Of course the Tribunal could have determined a full recount as a research to find out why there where so many ballot boxes with votes that did not match the voting lists. But It had to cover up the mess that their bosses performed.
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>It was done in the US by the way.
A NO IT WASN'T , Al Gore team was asking for a recount of the Florida vote not all the votes in the 50 states as you say, please don't try to confuse the people with this.


It was performed after the elections by independent research teams, for more references check "Farenheit 9/11) and of course the American Press. I'm no evil guy trying to confuse naive and innocent people to turn to the dark side of the Force, OK?. You're not in Narnia.
In México Proceso, La Jornada, El Universal, Reforma, Letras Libres and several independent researchers have requested through the Goverment Information Access Institute (IFAI) to be allowed access to the poll stations to perform a recount, that hasn't been allowed and is an issue currently in the Supreme Court. The IFE and the TRIFE have decided to screw transparency, through so called "legal" excuses. The fact is, a year later the IFE has been unable to burn the ballots because of all the legal controversies interposed by several researches and journalists.

>Mandoki explains why and how he made this documentary
He forgot to say that he was part of Lopez Obrador the political campaign, he was paid to do a political propaganda DVD called ¿Quien es el señor Lopez?
And he had no need to do so. He was already a claimed director due to his films Gaby, una historia verdadera and Voces Inocentes. Why would he risk his career and prestige for a political cause. He could have continued like González Iñárritu, Cuarón or Del Toro just making money in Hollywood. But he said in an interview that he decided to find out himself Who was Mr. López? due to the stupid impeachment attempt performed by the idiotic mr. fox.

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>Nope I'm sorry it was roughly 9% of the total amount of contested poll stations.

I'm totally sure it was 11% but let say that it was 9% (I'm not going to argue for that) why would you like to eliminate all these votes when some were corrected and some of them were as you wanted eliminated, IT WAS DONE those were the most suspicious ballots the ones that we see on these blogs and in the movie with one amount of votes on the record outside of the poll and a different amount of votes on the IDE website, as I told you, even with these corrections the numbers were the same Calderón won the election. We all know that AMLO wanted to eliminate the COMPLETE ELECTION for a round 2... this is clear in the file submitted by AMLO to the TRIFE when they requested " Not issuing the declaration of validity of the election"

>It was performed after the elections by independet......
Yes, but you are talking about a extra, non official recount with not legal value just for document purposes, they can do it I don't care if this is done, we all know that Calderón won the elections, but the simple fact remains that on 2000 Al Gore asked for a recount of Florida only not all the 50 states. There was no way to do a complete recount of all the USA, the same way there was no way legally and logical to do a recount of all the votes for the presidential electio in México.

>And he had no need to do so. He was already a claimed....
Nobody is saying that he is a bad director, I think that Inoccent Voices was great and this documentary is well done, no one disagree with that, but no one can say that this is a neutral documentary, because is not! It only show 1 part of the history, I don't have any problem with this film been on all the movie theaters all across the world but people should know that the director Luis Mandoki was part of AMLO political campaign, he was paid to promote this candidate and no one can expect a neutral movie.

P.S. I don't hide my political preferences I'm not registed PAN I can't consider myself as "PANista" but in this election I voted for Calderón and I'm proud of that.

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"why would you like to eliminate all these votes when some were corrected and some of them were as you wanted eliminated"

It's not that I wanted to eliminate votes, I'm taking about poll stations, where the results of extra or missing votes disrupted one of the ruling principles of IFE: certainty. According to the General Law of the Impugnment Means System of Electoral Matters of the COFIPE in article 75 clause K.

"IT WAS DONE those were the most suspicious ballots the ones that we see on these blogs and in the movie with one amount of votes on the record outside of the poll and a different amount of votes on the IDE website, as I told you, even with these corrections the numbers were the same Calderón won the election...."

In any case, every time there was a recount, Calderón lost votes, the difference between them kept getting smaller and smaller. From 1.5 to 0.56%. On the other hand, during the elections in Chiapas in the recount of 36% of the poll stations Sabines increased his votes. There differences between the amount of votes actually discovered inside the ballot boxes and the poll station records called sábanas, the final poll station records called actas and also with the amount recorded on the internet. There is a very interesting case of a poll station in Monterrey where the pan got more than 780 votes and the total amount of votes in the poll station was 9 hundred something. The issue is that no poll station is delivered more than 760 ballots. And that result was counted in the official voting total.

A full recount of all the votes would have been the fairest thing to do to avoid benefiting any of the candidates and it would have avoided the annulment of the election. If there had been the political will of cleaning all the anomalies, inconsistencies and irregularities, not only the 9% or 11%. Maybe in the end calderón won, but why not correct all these irregularities specially in an election that was decided by a 0.56%? Where all irregularities from all over the country would count to decide the final outcome.

By the way when fox was running for president he declared that he would only accept defeat if his adversary one by 4%. And there is a statement of calderón saying that there is no reason to obey laws that are not applied (refering to the elections in Huejotzingo Puebla). The same applies here, the government and the PRI (Elba Esther and the governors) interfered in the election to favor calderón, so why not contest the elections?

>It was performed after the elections by independet......
Yes, but you are talking about a extra, non official recount with not legal value just for document purposes, they can do it I don't care if this is done, we all know that Calderón won the elections,

Well, this "we all know that calderón won the election" seems to be something only you are convinced about and you seem to be the only one willing to allow the recount. The first one interested in correcting all the anomalies and irregularities should have been calderón, but as I mentioned, to this date the legal battle to preserve the voting ballots for research that was even requested by Letras Libres, Reforma and El Universal has continued endlessly. The IFE has tried to burn the voting ballots as fast as they can. By the way, there was a declaration of a former IFE Counselor who said that the IFE couldn't afford a recount because it wouldn't be able to handle a change in the results.

>but people should know that the director Luis Mandoki was part of AMLO political campaign, he was paid to promote this candidate and no one can expect a neutral movie.

Hey I don't know if he was paid or not, there is no way you or I can prove that, but one thing is for sure, right or wrong, Mandoki did this film on the basis that many crooked things happened before, during and after the election. He could have done it by his political convictions also. Too bad your not in charge of any radio broadcasting corporation, because they did have a problem with the radio promotional spots of the documentary and refused to air them. And several irregularities have occurred to the movie in theaters all over Mexico: giving customers handwritten papers instead of tickets, denial of availability in movie halls, no poster or information of the movie, they didn't project the trailers, etc. Not to mention that in the beginning Cinépolis didn't want to show the movie and Televisa, through VideoCine, refused to distribute.

P.S. I don't hide my political preferences I'm not registed PAN I can't consider myself as "PANista" but in this election I voted for Calderón and I'm proud of that.
Still proud of voting him after the Gasolinazo, the basic products price increase, useless military operations, all the human right violations, the increasing belligerence of the Catholic Church, the last place in economic growth in LA for 2007, the Mérida Initiative,the selling of AeroMéxico, the rise of the Drug Cartels aggressiveness, the shameful alliance with Elba Esther Gordillo, Ulises Ruiz and Mario Marín, the total submission to the US, the ISSSte Law and the Tax Reform that preserves tax privileges for the rich, etc; the privileges for Hildebrando Zavala? Man you must be Carlos Slim!

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Ignacio,
Me sorprende que el tema de López Obrador te apasione tanto. No podrás negarlo: has dejado claro que no eres panista, que no eres de derecha, que el Peje es un asco. Y sin embargo, el tono y la cantidad de mensajes, lo único que dejan ver es una pasión por el asunto. ¿Para qué apasionarse con algo, según tú, tan negativo?
Al primer día de proyecciones de Fraude asistimos alrededor de 26 mil personas (bastante alto, pero un número insignificante entre ciento y pico de millones). No me dirás que haber sido uno de los pocos apresurados no es resultado de una fijación, o de una pasión. Escribes acerca de la película el mismo 16 de noviembre, día del estreno. Queda claro que ese día la viste (¿si no fuese así, cómo hacer una crítica, no?) Mira, estás en todo tu derecho de no coincidir con la ideología de AMLO, del PRD y de lo que quieras. Es muy respetable. Y me queda claro que este país ha estado dividido entre los que apoyamos a Andrés Manuel y los que están en contra de él. Lo cierto es que el centro de todo este asunto, ha sido y sigue siendo él. La película te puede parecer mala, tendenciosa, etc... Es cien por ciento válido. Yo hago también mis críticas, pero no deja de ser un documento histórico (sin precedentes). No deja de ser una larga muestra (y eso que ahí no se incluyen varias horas más -que saldrán con el DVD- de grabaciones ciudadanas, mostrando hechos "cuestionables". Aquí, Ignacio, lo que se lleva mucho tiempo reclamando, es que el número de acciones cuestionables es realmente grande y deja dudas mayúsculas acerca del proceso y de los resultados. Se tuvo la oportunidad de aclarar las cosas (a muchos millones de personas, que no es poca cosa), pero se negaron a hacerlo. La cuestión es muy simple: hemos visto un sinnúmero de documentos y materiales (fuentes directas, así como estudios y análisis), que indican un proceso fraudulento. Si alguien tuviera la amabilidad de mostrarnos las pruebas (las fuentes directas, para estar a la par) que demuestren la limpieza del proceso, todos tan tranquilos y se acabó el asunto. De verdad, es así de simple. Es más, si nos lo mostraran y el peje saliera a decir algo, yo soy el primero que le diría YA CÁLLATE CHACHALACA, YA VIMOS QUE NO HUBO FRAUDE. Pero nadie quiere hacerlo. Nadie quiere mostrarlo. Incluso quieren quemar las boletas, borrar todo rastro.
Y te escribo esto de manera muy respetuosa, es mi opinión -las opiniones, todas, son válidas. Las aseveraciones no lo son todas, si no van a compañadas de documentos probatorios-.
Por cierto, mencionas que estamos lejos de tener a nuestro Michael Moore. Difiero de tu postura. Para mí Michael Moore (sin menospreciar sus denuncias) es un verdadero payaso gringo, totalmente manipulador. Aunque he de decirte, no hay trabajo audiovisual que no sea manipulador. Ninguno. Porque en un espacio de hora y media, donde cabría cualquier imagen, alguien se encarga de escoger con qué lo llena y en qué orden. Eso es inevitable. Así funciona, incluso, hasta el lenguaje que usas a diario. Es selectivo. Y dependiendo de tus palabras, o de las imágenes que proyectes en una pantalla, se verá una tendencia u otra, una intención u otra. Eso es indiscutible. Somos censores, selectivos, subjetivos... somos humanos. Lo interesante de FRAUDE no es la forma de contar la historia o a quién vanagloria o no. Es precisamente el hecho de que miles de personas capturaron hechos irregulares e ilícitos con su propia cámara, y que Luis nos permite conocerlos a través de un medio. Ojalá, te lo digo sinceramente, apareciera el equivalente a Mandoki que nos mostrara las imágenes que probaran que todo lo que aparece en FRAUDE... es fraude. Mientras eso no llegue, tenemos derecho a estar inconformes y a manifestar el atropello.
Recibe un saludo y, te repito, no te vayas con la finta de que no se puede dialogar con los "pejistas". Hay de todo, pero te prometo que somos muchos, muchísimos, los que respetamos los puntos de vista y los que podemos platicar desde nuestras diferencias, sin caer en anular al otro.
Jacques

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Hola Jacques,

Gracias por tu respuesta y de antemano una disculpa por no poder ahora respondértela a detalle y con el tiempo que merece la atención que dedicaste a escribírmela.

Estoy en contra de cualquier manejo e idiotización de masas como las que gustan de hacer las iglesias; católicas, evangélicas y de cualquier tipo, y del que hacen políticos como el increíblemente nefasto López Obrador.

Si cuando FOX ganó la elección en el 2000 me hubieran preguntado mi intención de voto hubiera respondido sin dudar que mi "gallo" para el 2006 era López Obrador, sin embargo el triste espectáculo en que se convirtió su "administración" del DF me llevó a decepcionarme completamente de él y a votar de manera que no llegara a la presidencia alguien que para mí fue el vehículo del viejo régimen para regresar al poder.

Sé que hay y conozco "pejistas" razonables, pero la mayoría de ellos dejaron de serlo poco después de la elección, creo que los que hoy lo apoyan son o los radicales de cerebro lavado o bien lo que se benefician diréctamente con sus acciones. No te acuso de estar en ninguna de las dos categorías.

Quedo a tus órdenes y espero me puedas explicar las acciones de tu ex-candidato desde una óptica distinta pues no logro entenderlas como él pretende que se haga.

Ignacio

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Hola Ignacio,

Empiezo por el final de tu mensaje. No creo que a Andrés Manuel lo apoyen solamente "los radicales lavados de cerebro" y los "que se benefician directamente con sus acciones". Creo que hay muchos tonos entre el blanco y el negro. Sin embargo, que lo apoyen los que se benefician de sus acciones no me parece algo negativo. ¿No es lo que quisiéramos todos en este país? ¿Poder apoyar a alguien porque sus acciones nos benefician?
Creo que la diferencia drástica y principal entre un Calderón y un López Obrador está en el interés monetario y la visión humanista. Hay, en el primero, un interés meramente económico y una línea de acción dictada por el Fondo Monetario Internacional, cuyo propósito central es la mayor explotación de nuestros recursos naturales (léase petróleo y energéticos), humanos y materiales para beneficio de los países más ricos. Andrés Manuel tiene dos cosas: antepone la idea del bienestar social (que no es poca cosa) a la de los intereses económicos de grupos privilegiados (y con grupos privilegiados no me refiero -como deforman en los medios- a ti o a mí que tenemos un negocio, internet y tal vez una casa, si no a los pocos grandes mafiosos que dominan este país) y defiende la postura de que nuestros recursos naturales (petróleo) deben seguir siendo nuestros, porque con ellos se puede desarrollar e impulsar al país al máximo. Cosa que dejaron de hacer hace 25 años... y no por casualidad, si no por la estrategia que forma parte de los gobiernos neoliberales. Sumado a esos dos puntos -que considero enormes- está una característica que, creo, ha sido detonadora del movimiento que lo sigue: la honestidad. Es un hombre que ha hecho prácticamente todo lo que ha dicho (que guste o no guste lo que ha hecho es materia de otro análisis). Es un hombre al que, a la fecha, no le "han podido sacar ningún trapito al sol", de tipo económico. Te queda claro que si lo hubiese, hace rato que lo habrían usado. ¿Cuántos políticos honestos conoces? Mira, conozco gente le ofreció dinero para la campaña que se llevó una gran desilusión, al saber que lo que aportarían no tendría ninguna retribución personal. Gente indignada que pensaba que si le daba dinero, después tendría privilegios, algún contrato, algo. Pero se toparon con pared. También te puedo decir que lo he visto dar instrucciones a un pequeño grupo, en persona, en las que queda de manifiesto un rechazo total a cualquier tipo de influyentismo, transa, condicionamiento... y en donde queda claro y de manifiesto un interés de bienestar del "otro" por encima del propio. ¿Por qué le cuesta tanto a mucha gente pensar que hay -habemos, me incluyo- personas a las que nos preocupa más el bienestar de la mayoría que el bienestar individual?
Andrés Manuel ha iniciado una revolución de conciencias en este país. La gente ha empezado a pensar de otro modo (aunque sigue habiendo muchísima gente borrega, que no piensa, y lo sigue. De acuerdísimo). Pero la gente se está politizando y eso es muy importante. Se cuestiona cosas que antes no se cuestionaba, quiere saber más, quiere entender más.
Otro punto clave -y que admiro- es su postura pacifista. El año pasado, no me quedan dudas, pudo haber estallado una revolución. Yo vi a la gente, yo estuve en los campamentos de reforma (tan criticados, pero que no fueron otra cosa que una válvula de escape para que no estallara la olla exprés). Su postura y las decisiones que tomó llevaron a la gente por un camino tranquilo, pero sin quitar el dedo del renglón. Eso es digno de agradecer. Te habla de alguien responsable. Ahí tienes a un Cárdenas al que le hicieron fraude y que después pactó con Salinas. O ahí tienes a los movimientos guerrilleros que buscando transformaciones cometen crímenes. El punto medio es muy difícil y te habla de una persona equilibrada.
Por otro lado, después del fraude, crea un Gobierno paralelo. (Esto puede parecer risible, criticable, etc...) No es algo nuevo, existe en muchos países (lo llaman un shadow government) y sirve para vigilar, cuestionar y contraponer al Gobierno en turno. ¿Qué hizo un Hank después de que perdió (pactó) la gobernatura? Dijo: no pasa nada, no seré gobernador pero me regreso a atender mis negocios personales. El peje lleva un año recorriendo la mitad del país y elaborando proyectos de ley, contrapropuestas, haciendo dictámenes, creando una banca popular. Enviando propuestas para evitar un aumento de impuestos y explicando punto por punto cómo hacer que los recursos rindan más, etc... De verdad, Ignacio, yo no he visto antes a alguien que haga ni la mitad todo esto. Podría seguir con más ejemplos o profundizar en varios de estos, pero ya me extendí demasiado.
Te repito, no soy ningún fanático, cuestiono incluso muchas de sus acciones, pero creo que es, por mucho, una de las pocas personas que tienen interés en hacer cambios de fondo y que quiere más a México que a su bolsillo.
Ahora yo te pediría -de verdad me gustaría conocer tu visión- que me contaras en qué sentido te parece que su administración en el DF se convirtió en un "triste espectáculo". A tal grado que decidiste votar en contra y considerarlo como "increíblemente nefasto".
He oído hasta el cansancio el tema "bejarano y Ponce", que los medios se encargaron de colgarle como si fuera lo único que pasó en su administración. Claro, nadie se encarga también de recalcar cada 10 minutos que a estos dos personajes los encarcelaron y que fueron expulsados del partido (cosa que no ha sucedido con funcionarios del PRI o PAN). Pero más allá de este recurrido eslogan, me interesa saber qué acciones (u omisiones) del señor lópez te dejaron tan mala impresión.
Recibe un saludo,
Jacques

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Estoy de acuerdo contigo en todos los puntos que has desarrollado en este foro. Aun me sorprende ver a gente quejándose de que X documental no es totalmente imparcial, como si no se tratara de un ejercicio cinematográfico sino periodístico (en todo caso me parece igual de estúpido esperar encontrar una agencia de noticias/periódico/televisora que no tenga un punto de vista o una agenda que empujar). Punto y aparte, como dirían los gringos, Ignacio got pwnd. Que calladito.

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