I haven't seen the whole thing yet...about 20 minutes left but I side more with Jason. Something tells me she's lying about it. I don't know why or if she isn't.
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Jason. I liked the book, hated the movie. Trixie came off as such an unlikeable character in the movie. I sympathized with her in the book, but in the movie she started this whole rape thing because she was mad Jason dumped her. She screwed up his whole life just because she was dumped.
shareTrixie, although I always had doubts. I just kept thinking that she couldn't have made it all up, even if she was lying about some things. She was only 15 and didn't seem evil enough to want to ruin his life and also change her own life forever over getting dumped. When we learned the truth, it all made sense.
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I side with both.
I agree that in the book, they play Trixie more to be the victim.
But, in the end of the movie, they do redeem her and show that she wasn't really a complete liar.
They waited to the last minute to reveal what really happened to Trixie to intensive the drama in the movie.
Trixie. I mean, rape is rape. Even though she was okay with it at first, she changed her mind and said no. In the book it's more hazy, but in the movie it was black and white. Yes, she lied about the drugs and being a virgin, but Jason raped her, so I don't think there can be much debate personally. Do I think Jason did it to be malicious? No, I think he was a drunk, hormonal male who just didn't listen, but nonetheless. I certainly don't think he shoulda died, but it was an accident, it wasn't murder. Senseless, but not murder.
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Jason! Definitely, and I say that after reading the book and watching the movie. I feel bad for her that she was so conflicted, but in my mind if you don't want to have sex you don't just think about saying no. especially after you were going to have sex then he said that one line "friends with benefits" and in the book she says that after that she wanted to say stop- but didn't. If you are going to accuse someone of rape and ruin their lives then make damn sure it was rape and not your wounded pride. No if you don't want to have sex, you scream, kick, scratch, fight. Why do you think that she felt it was necessary to lie about screaming and saying no, or the loud music playing, or about the drugs? Because she knew that if she told the truth that no one would think of that as rape.
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OK, this post hits way too close to home for me. I am 35. When I was 18, I was very drunk at a party. The guy I had been seeing showed. He had been drinking, but was not as drunk as I was. We had never had sex, but had made out heavily on several occassions. Well, this particular night, we started having consensual sex. I say "started" because it really hurt- he was really rough with me, and when I asked him to stop, he pinned my arms down and rammed harder until he was done. I had swelling and light bleeding afterward, and some slight bruising around my wrists. I never claimed rape, b/c well, I know no one would believe me. After all, it was consensual to start with. But, I did ask him to stop when it hurt. As a 35 year old woman, do I consider myself a rape victim? Sort of. I don't think this guy even realized he hurt me (physically) and he did not even care he hurt me emotionally.
So my point is, sometimes men are just dense, and even NO does not mean no them.
Men are still, generally, more powerful than women. That is why in some countries and some religions, a woman can be killed for being raped. That is why in America people can feel a man is getting a raw deal for being accused of rape. Maybe some women lie about it, but I have not met one yet....
Jason. i dont think we can take her flash back as credible since she lied about pretty much everything else, and last factual part we saw was definitely consentual. yes a woman has a right to say no at any point, and if she really did and really fought him too then i would think it was rape but you must make it crystal clear that you dont want it before it is rape. i say that because i knew a chic who used to "turn guys down" by saying no in a really flirty way then giggled, and if i were a guy i wouldn't take that as a real no.
as for the whole she was too messed up to give consent, bs. if that were true think of the the drunken regrets we all wouldn't have. *beep* i've never even had sex sober(sad i know), but really its not like she said yes and passed out and he did it anyway, she was definitly concious and happy when things got to going. also ive had more than one instance where i was probably way too *beep* to be giving consent, like barely able to move or know what was going on and i aint accusing any of those guys of rape, i may not be happy with what happened but i was technically concious and didnt say no, i even hate one of those ppl now and hope he dies but im not gonna ruin his life with some vengeful bitchy trumphed up rape charge.
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i'm answering this as someon who read the book because I think that the movie is one sided with her saying no, the death being accidental, and the whole family happily together at the end.
I side with Jason after reading the book because the "rape" was hazzy, she never said no, she instigated the intercourse,the town turned against him, his future was ruined, he was MURDERED by her mother for no reason, and he honestly believed he did not do it.
I think he got the short end of the stick with him dying and all.
During most of the movie I sided more with Jason because when they first show them in the bedroom, it's clearly not a rape. But as the movie went on I realized it was more of a state of mind thing. It's still not a rape in my mind -- sexual battery maybe- but a person does have the right to stop intercourse at any time and that should be respected. I think she went too far calling it a rape - and lying like she did making it seem like she never wanted sex with him at all that night, that made me not like her. But in her mind, he didn't stop - he forced it on her after that point. In his mind, he didn't do anything wrong because she initiated sex with him and he was wasted by that point - he may not have realized the "stop" as meaning anything.
All in all, I do think Trixie took things way too far and let things get way too far out of hand.
While I tend to side with Trixie--she did say "no" and "stop"--I agree with the above poster that she let the incident spiral out of control. If she had been honest when reporting the assault to both her parents and the police, Jason certainly wouldn't have lost his life.
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