I watched the movie, and did not read the book. From what the movie showed I would not classify Trixie and Jason's incident as a rape. While they were having sex, he said something she didn't like and so changed her mind. But she had already consented to sex besides the fact she had had sex with him before. Also, how did Trixie know her mom's boyfriend?
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i totally agree and think what happened to jason was so tragic and that the stone family got away with cold blooded murder
share"the stone family got away with cold blooded murder"
Get real. The mom confronted a boy who traumatized her daughter and tried to save him!
i just posted this in another thread, but it's very hard call as to whether or not a rape occurred. if you read the book, you find out that he was very rough with her (she was bleeding - which since she was not a virgin, um....that's rough sex unless she was having her period, which the book makes no mention of)the important thing to remember is that she fought with him - he took it as her playing hard to get and he used very poor judgment by not stopping.
as far as the family getting away with cold blooded murder, i haven't seen the end of the movie. in the book it is definitly more a manslaughter situation.
Just because Trixie had sex w/Jason in the past doesn't mean a damn thing. Once she said NO & I don't care where in the process they were when she said NO, then it became rape. Plain & simple.
Trixie knew her mom's BF because he was HER (Trixie's) drug supplier. He's the one who gave her the katamine for the party.
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i agree with njcharmed1. It doesn't matter if they had already started, when a girl says no, the guy should stop that second.
but in the book, it was less distinguisable.
I hadn't read the book, so I can't comment on the clarity of those circumstances. What this film used was a cheap and maddening cinematic gimmick (several times) of a fade-out at crucial points to build false sense of tension and interest. But the law is clear, once a girl (or woman) says no, regardless of past consent, even in marriages, the sex act must stop at that moment. If not, it becomes rape.
shareto clarify; in the book she did not ever say no, or stop. She says she thought it, but never said it.
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Thanks for that information. In the book, did Trixie tell the detective that, or did she lie about telling Jason "no"? If that had been conveyed in the movie, then the Rashamon-like points of view would have made more sense. Jeez, can screenwriters screw up a good plot or WHAT?!
shareIn the book she tells the detectives that she did say "no, stop" and she screamed but no one heard because the music was so loud. They later find out from her friend that there was no music playing, so they would have heard her if she were screaming- so that was one lie. Then of course she admits that she never said "no, stop", another lie.
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it wasn't rape
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"But she had already consented to sex besides the fact she had had sex with him before."
Um, too bad honey. If a woman says no, the guy has to stop whether she already said yes or not. This ain't a legal contract.
True, but she didn't say no!
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"True, but she didn't say no!"
In the movie, she does, babecake. I think they changed the main point of the book - and so we feel silly learning in the last ten minutes that he really did rape her - and there's no particular reason for feeling sorry for this rapist who felt so sorry for himself!
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Bluegirl, I think Trixie was the aggressor for a while - but at a certain point she wanted it to stop - and any girl can withdraw her previous consent at any time - and it must end right there. (It sure won't make her popular to do that - since boys DO get excited! But it's the law. Before he's inside her, she can withdraw her consent at any time.
She can tear off his clothes, be yelling "DO ME DO ME DO ME!" as she tears off hers, kiss him everywhere for an hour, do much foreplay, perform fellatio on him - and then if she chooses, say "NO, I changed my mind" while he lies atop her just before he enters her - and if he proceeds, he's guilty of rape.
(The difficulty later will be she'll have a HARD time actually proving she did withhold sex - but if he's asked and answers honestly and is believed - then he's convicted - sentenced perhaps to 30-40 years - even if he's her boyfriend or husband with whom she's consented to sex in just this way for years).
You people do realize that men who have stopped after being told no by a woman have still been convicted of rape?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/16/AR2008041602921.html
Guy stopped within seconds after she said stop and he stopped - convicted
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She's underage, so whether she says yes or no makes it rape...stautory rape, but rape nonetheless.
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Rape is a touchy subject and a girl is "always" believed when she said she "was" raped...the ones who don't believe the girl..they usually call her a slut. Some girls will have sex and automatically believe they were raped.
I don't know why I watched this crappy movie, most of it was boring and confusing.
Anyways I believe it was not rape...maybe mentally raped, but the girl never actually said no from what I saw. And as much as I hate the actor who played Jason, I was disappointed of his fate...but the movie was leading to his death.
And why wasn't the mom arrested? She was there...and pretty much didn't even try to save Jason, whether or not he "raped" Trixie (what a name huh?) she wanted him to die and that's still "murder" so there...in thought anyway.
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Great way of kidding yourself, Jackson. Trixie resisted and was very obviously traumatized at the hospital.
shareNo, she just resisted. Dope
shareAnyways I believe it was not rape...maybe mentally raped, but the girl never actually said no from what I saw.
And why wasn't the mom arrested? She was there...and pretty much didn't even try to save Jason, whether or not he "raped" Trixie
Trixie (what a name huh?)
she wanted him to die and that's still "murder" so there...in thought anyway.
i agree with njcharmed1. It doesn't matter if they had already started, when a girl says no, the guy should stop that second.
YES TRIXIE WAS RAPED! In many cases I would guess, the guy doesn't think he did it, but IT IS RAPE. Just because it is a boyf., ex-boyf., it doesnt change it.
Nice book, not good movie imo.
Also, why didn't she push him off?
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Did I miss something? I see them starting to kiss, and the next second she's at home and saying, "He raped me!"
Fiction is a lie, and good fiction is the truth inside the lie.--Stephen King
Trixie clearly told Jason to stop, and did say, "NO!" rather loudly in the flashback. Just because she initially consented, doesn't mean he had the right to continue forcing himself on her, and the fact that they'd had sex previously doesn't give him ownership of her body. She consented because he led her to believe that he love her and wanted to get back together. It's understandable that she would put a halt to their make-out session when he admitted he was just using her for sex that night.
Aside from the above, the medical evidence, while not conclusive, did not negate her claim. Trixie also exhibited signs of psychological trauma, which she displayed when alone, so it's not likely she was acting or putting on a show to convince others she was raped.