and the Christian message behind it. If you feel the need to love God/Jesus to make your marriage better and those around you happy, then so be it. It doesn't matter the methods that are used, it's the end result that matters.. Caleb became less selfish and realized he was a bad husband and found a way to change, and there's one less divorce on file in the world. That's what matters most.
Jesus would support Universal Health Care
cdz6969 - your post is the best one on this board.
shareYeah, I consider myself Christian but I'm Catholic and also pretty open minded about different religions from my own inlcuding Buddhism and Hinduism. On boards like this you find very polarized opinions about God and religion with conservative Christians and scientific atheists going at each other. I'm also pretty open minded about creation and science and don't see how one automatically negates the other.
Love your signature OT. Conservatives are often Republicans (strangely enough) who bash anything that would help their fellow Americans and complain about how taxpayers have to pay for it and then call themselves Christian. Didn't Christ say to give your money and goods to the poor?
Do ya love him Loretta?
Ah Ma I love im awful.
Oh God, you poor thing.
"Conservatives are often Republicans (strangely enough) who bash anything that would help their fellow Americans and complain about how taxpayers have to pay for it and then call themselves Christian."
Very true - he most vocal of these are very often demonstrating the very opposite of the things Christ taught.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe
Um, Christ didn't say to give your possessions to the Government so that they can give them to someone else (after taking a nice chunk off the top.)
To imply that he DID say it is a misrepresentation of Christianity by someone who doesn't think things through too much.
"Joey, have you ever been in a Turkish prison?"
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I think it has a good message for anyone who is married regardless of their religion or if they have no religious or spiritual beliefs. This 40 days thing could be done by anyone.
shareDidn't Christ say to give your money and goods to the poor?
Paying taxes to the government isn't stealing and Jesus advocated paying taxes, i.e., giving to Caesar that which was Caesar's. http://biblehub.com/mark/12-17.htm
shareYes, Jesus said that we should pay our taxes. He didn't say that we have to use the tax system for coercive socialist purposes.
shareJesus advocated paying taxes
I am glad to read this. I don't think anyone has to be a Christian to realize that your marriage isn't working and you need to change. Which is what happened in this movie. Yes, it is a Christian movie to it's going to have those values in it. I think marriage in general (religious or not) should be taken more seriously. If you make a commitment to spend your life with someone and it's falling apart, it should be your first choice to figure out how to fix it. Not continuously blame the other person and walk away.
I am a Christian now, but in the first couple years of my marriage, neither of us were, but we both come from divorced families and before we even got married agreed to do everything possible before just walking away. Committing ourselves to each other was a very big thing and important to us. I'm glad that we agreed to that because during my pregnancy was the hardest time of our lives and we both wanted to just walk away. We didn't and stuck together and now we are stronger than ever. (although for us at least, coming to Christ has strengthened that. But I am not naive enough to believe that non-believers can't have a strong healthy marriage.)
I agree. We live in a culture of no fault divorce and of celebrity worship and 90% of these celebs are divorced. Glad to hear that your marriage is doing well! Marriage is hard work, but it's worth it.
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People, the OP is how a civilized person behaves. I am a Christian and I applaud the OP, cdz6969 for his/her tolerance. Being an intolerant, Christian-bashing atheist gives atheists a bad name just as much as intolerant atheist-bashing Christians give Christians a bad name. There are ways to debate without ramming things down people's throats and getting mean and insulting.
Ignore the trolls! Any failure to do so will only grant them the satisfaction they seek!
"There are ways to debate without ramming things down people's throats and getting mean and insulting."
I suggest you follow these threads carefully then. Especially Jinx's attack on scientific facts and Jared Jammers misguided insults.
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe
Shameless Bump to respond to this "Christian". Hoping He/She reads this thread.
"Let's be blunt: Atheism is blind faith in a self-creating existence. It's a position based on emotional need, rather that a logical conclusion. It's a crutch for lousy human beings.
As the late, not-so-great Christopher Hitchens said, "that which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
Atheists, you are dismissed. "
What's so blind about it? We could care less how much you give to your church so the pastor could drive around in a Benz. Just quit forcing government officials to pass laws which puts the 10 commandments in-front of public buildings and allow us to allow us to purchase alcohol before Noon on Sundays. That's all we ask..
Jesus would support Universal Health Care
And how is atheism "a position based on emotional need"?
If anything it's quite the opposite - it's the Christian who has the emotional need, they are scared of their own mortality and shortcomings and rely on a make-believe deity to comfort them and make excuses for.
Just quit forcing government officials to pass laws which puts the 10 commandments in-front of public buildings and allow us to allow us to purchase alcohol before Noon on Sundays. That's all we ask..
"Just watch them squirm when the Hobby Lobby ruling comes back to bite them in their butts - they think you can legislate religious beliefs? Fine, then let's see them change tune if a Muslim company insists on women wearing the veil, on impose minor aspects of sharia law into the workplace. Suddenly that rulling will become something of a monster for them... "
I thought that exact same thing when I heard that Hobby Lobby news and all the religious nuts were celebrating the ruling. What if the Muslim owner of corporation installs a Sharia law policy?
Jesus would support Universal Health Care
let's see them change tune if a Muslim company insists on women wearing the veil
That's nothing different from corporate uniforms.
That depends. If it's about prohibiting to drink alcohol - sure, why not. If it's about cutting hand for theft - of course that's illegal.
shareThat depends. If it's about prohibiting to drink alcohol - sure, why not. If it's about cutting hand for theft - of course that's illegal.
You are right that I shouldn't have referred to illegality (I did it for the purpose of brevity), instead I should have used "it violates person's negative rights".
But do I have to accept all religious practices? Certainly not. Only to extent where they don't infringe on other persons' negative rights. "The Philosophy of Freedom" youtube video might help to understand what I'm saying better.
Only to extent where they don't infringe on other persons' negative rights.
They are not imposing anything. I don't have a right which would mean that someone else is obliged to buy me condoms. I don't own slaves, nobody is obliged to provide for my needs.
I enter into voluntary agreement with my employer on the terms we both agree to. If I'm that weird that I can't buy me my own condoms and I need my employer to do that, well then I should look for a job offer which includes such benefit. I can't force this on anyone through legislation.
It doesn't even have to do anything with religion, this is about people's rights. If I don't want to buy my employees condoms, it's my business, you shouldn't coerce me, even if I'm an atheist.
Male condoms, female condoms, sponges with spermicide, spermicide (for use alone or in conjunction with diaphragms and/or cervical caps) are all OVER THE COUNTER, requiring NO insurance/medical coverage from Hobby Lobby.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/02/1311238/-You-know-that-Hobby- Lobby-covers-16-forms-of-birth-control
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free" - Goethe
This article is huge waste of time. As I previously said, it doesn't matter what is the reason why they don't want to cover something, and whether it is rational or not, and whether what they believe is true or not. They have their rights to decide their terms of employment contract. If potential employees are not happy with their deal, they can always decline HL's job offer.
shareThis article is huge waste of time.
They have their rights to decide their terms of employment contract.
Or because it actually debunks your notion of an employer having to pay for condoms?
They do not have the right to make decisions in their private lives.
If I'm that weird that I can't buy me my own condoms
Fireproof (2008)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wkd9snB2dN0 (I love this song from Fireproof soundtrack - You Belong to Me with Lyrics
I cried when Caleb got on his knees and gave his wife a sincere apology. Caleb says: how he trampled on her and loved everything but her. With tears coming down his face.. Most men are too proud to say they are sorry or too prideful to admit their wrongs. I was raised Catholic but converted to a Baptist in my forties. Best decision that I ever made in my life because Jesus is right there with me - helping me get through difficult situations: like my father's passing, husband's bad behavior (like Caleb), disrespectful son, rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, etc. I think I would have went out of my mind or committed suicide if it hadn't been for God's strength to keep me going. Thank you Jesus!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-M7oGrOa2I - While I'm Waiting with Lyrics
Not sure how to turn off the ads in youtube, I usually click on "skip ads" :-)
As long as we have our Lord Jesus, we have everything.
I belong to Jesus: my Lord, Savior, my eternity, my everything. I love you, Jesus!