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Some Hentai in style: a true disgrace for Japan's history of cinema


*this whole thing is just my opinion, you know; and nobody has forced you to read it*
i've just finished watching Ai no Mukidashi, and i don't know what to say. it was crazy with so many good ideas and a rather complicated plot, but this is Hentai. all of it. i've seen so many japanese movies, maybe hundreds of them, but this particular movie finds it's place in the lower depths of my list of rated movies. the main reasons for this, are at the first place, it's stupid ending, which was a true disappointment and the fact that it was just a "hetero-trash". it wasn't a bit japanese so it makes it attractive for western audiences and their festivals (it's ridiculous rating of 8.2 shows this fact very well, however, despite the fact that i've given at least a 7 to almost every japanese movie i've ever seen, i gave this one a 2).
while i haven't expressed even a tiny bit of my reasons for not liking this movie, however, i should end it right here; cause the more i write about it, the more i remember my disgust of a few minutes earlier. actually, now when i think about it, this whole message should have been summarized in just one phrase: I HATED THIS MOVIE.

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it wasn't a bit japanese


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this movie being your favorite doesn't change the fact that true japanese cinema fans would hate it for so many reasons. as i see, your name , daniel, comes from the old testament, which means you're probably christian and that's why you're such a big fan of this trash. but it's more french than japanese; and nihon-eiga addicts cannot stand any other kind of movie. japanese directors usually do not seek to deliver a message through their works; and when they do, they do it beautifully. but this one was only gross. i agree with it's message but the way sono delivers it, is really gross, ugly and disgusting (the characters are haunting my dreams ever-since i've seen this crap. last night i reaped that stupid yu's stomach open with a saw! i don't really know how long would it take for these horrible images leave my mind). i recommend Hshiguchi Ryousuke to you. he's far more sensitive, with a different attitude towards beauty and love.

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this movie being your favorite doesn't change the fact that true japanese cinema fans would hate it for so many reasons.


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true japanese cinema fans


God you're pretentious and I stopped reading right there

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"..which means you're probably christian and that's why you're such a big fan of this trash." - That has got to be just about the stupidest thing I have ever read in my life. I'm embarrassed for you. You have reached a new apogee when it comes to human stupidity. Congratulations.

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It's too bad that you hated it. Did it have t be "Japanese"? I didn't really care and I REALLY loved it. I watch a LOT of foreign movies from many different countries. Being that I'm from none of them, I tend to take them at face value although, I do consult these boards if I need a little cultural illumination from time to time. I thought a lot of it was really over the top but IMHO, it was offset by a very solid foundation. I wasn't very exited about the acting initially but as the story unfolded I became more and more impressed. Especially by the last scenes with Yu and Yoko. VERY impressive. As others have remarked, a 4 hour movie that wasn't too long.

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what's good and bad?! of course a japanese movie must be japanese. if sono wants to make a french one, let him do it in france, like what Oushima did (actually, the french do that way better than him; and we've already got many similar french movies).
nihon eiga is at the brink of total assimilation by western cinema and traitors like this man are catalyzing this process. and i HATED the ending. i think it was ultimately childish and stupid, and with no doubt, the worst part of it. this is the kind of crap which one cannot vomit out, so stays in the mind and poisons it bit by bit.

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I think you missed my point. Obviously it's a Japanese film by Japanese people but what's wrong with expanding their audience or should they be isolationists? Japan has done quite a bit of "assimilation" into "western" culture with or without your approval.

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i think it's you who has missed my point. i'm saying that japanese cinema is DYING and people like sono are responsible for this. yamatodamashii has become a far far dream for the people. this is a result of the barbaric censorship and suppression in japanese cinema forced by the allies during the occupation years. if you trace back the japanese cinema's timeline, we've got almost no worthy films in those years; and the interesting fact is that almost every single famous japanese director made a masterpiece in two years after the allies leaving japan. unfortunately, that period was so destructive that japanese cinema became weaker and weaker each year passing, ending in a crap like ai no mukidashi. it was absolutely stupid (especially it's ending) compared to 40's and 50's films. even a mutant whale-gorilla could do it better (plus that, christianity is not a really important issue in japan, especially the film's focus on sins etc. so i infer that the director made "this" only as a tribute to foreign audiences and the west-worshiping japanese people so as to make fame or something like that.).
i know you loved it, and i know why, but i think you should also understand why do i hate it so much. my hatred towards this film is even beyond my own imagination. i hate it even more than the interview or taxi driver.

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japanese cinema is DYING and people like sono are responsible for this.


Do you realise that Sion Sono is viewed by the vast majority of cinemagoers, film scholars, critics, and filmmakers as someone who's completely reinvigorated japanese cinema over the last few years?

He's already considered a great Japanese director, sitting alongside people such as Akira Kurosawa, Shinya Tsukamoto, Kinji Fukasaku, Kenji Misumi, Masaki Kobayashi, and Takashi Miike.

Have you actually seen any other Sion Sono films?

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It's actually reinvigorated westernization-obsessed Japanese cinema of the 60's. Just like teshigahara and Kurosawa of the late 40's to early 70's. These people cannot make anything specific. They simply imitate western ways and ideologies. True Japanese cinema almost died in the oppression period from 1945 to 1952. Most famous directors made at least one masterpiece from 1953 to 1955. After that we see less and less brilliant ideas in the Japanese cinema. I recommend inagaki, kinoshita, Yamamoto, kinugasa, Abe and yamanaka to you. They're true masters of cinema and do have something to say. I hope they would forgive me if I've forgotten some names m(_ _;)m

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I can't believe a "true Japanese cinema fan" as you consider yourself actually thinks that Japanese cinema declined after the occupation. To simply ignore the Japanese cinema of the last 50 years (especially of the 60s) is beyond me. Surely, classic Japanese cinema reached its peak in the early 50s, but then came the 60s and many amazing directors, who grew in the aftermath of the war, brought fresh air in the film industry. From the violent chambara films to the yakuza films, but especially Japanese nouvelle vague... Directors like Yoshida, Terayama, Okamoto, Oshima, Kobayashi, Teshigahara are, for me, equal or superior to most pre-war directors.

I understand that Japanese cinema declined a bit during the 70s and 80s (with some exceptions), but during the 90s and 00s another generation of great directors has emerged. Iwai, Toyoda, Koreeda, Kawase, Hashiguchi, Kitano, and of course Sono, among others, are really talented directors. And yes, I really liked Love Exposure. It was a pretty unique cinematic experience to me. It entertained me, made me think and feel a dozen of different emotions over its 4-hours course.

Anyway, my whole point is that world cinema naturally changes and evolves over the decades. Japanese cinema was of course marked from the occupation and westernization, as was the whole society of Japan. But it was also influenced from the huge cinematic movement that happened in Europe at the time, which changed world cinema. And the product was the amazing Japanese Nuberu Vagu. Of course some of the old masters like Yamanaka, Kinoshita and Kinugasa are great (while others seem dated), but they, in turn, were also inspired by American Silents and German Expressionism of the 20s. That's cinema, and art generally. Evolution and change is vital for art. Clinging in the past and copying the same styles and cinematic languages would be the death of cinema.
Still, I do think that Japanese cinema in the last 6-7 years has become really stale.

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I do agree with you on most of your points. I became a japanese cinema fan as soon as i started watchibg mid 50's and early 60's nasterpiecese but soon I realized that this [if I can say] radical criticism towards the modern Edo period (1568_1867) and old Japanese ways, which can be found in the postwar cinema, is a continuation of the same concepts introduced in the Meiji era as a tradition to speed up the cultural westernization. Kurosawa and Kobayashi for example, gained their fame partly because of this, through portraying the yakuza from an alien, western perspective (drunken angel is an excellent postwar example) and criticizing bushidou (this one was totally invented during the occupation years so as to neutralize Japanese militarism and was closely observed by its headquarters) are only simple examples. Japanese cinema is great in some aspects but it's lost originality. To some people that's not important, those believing in the global village idea, etc. This is more like cultural assimilation to me. It would be really stupid, boring and meaningless if all people could communicate through a uniformized system of arts and literature, which is what the western world's trying to do.

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Funny thing zoroastera but Kinugasa is heavily influenced by western art movements ;)

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But he -unlike teshigahara and many others- did never lose originality and geniunness to the new waves. He's got a unique style and more importantly, he was not often eager to put his nose in the political and cultural matters of his times nor he was ever an inspiration so as to reawaken yamatodamashii(the latter's a bit disappointing hut he's still a master I believe).

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Why would you use a semicolon if you don't know how to properly use it?

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Wow. You're a real moron aren't you?

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It's posters like you that really make coming onto IMDB more painful than it should be. You are worried that Japanese cinema is dying because of one movie when there are how many other movies made each year that are probably 100% Japanese in every possible way. In this day and age with much more widespread viewings from different countries it's only natural that some movies on occasion are going to be influenced by another countries style and culture. You can hate this movie all you want, most of us don't care, but you come on here, act like an expert in Japanese cinema, hint at the idea in later posts in this thread that Japanese cinema is becoming overly westernized. Now I'm no expert, not gonna act like one like you do, but I do watch many foreign films from all over, there's interesting movies to be seen from most of the countries of the world, and influences spread all over, but Japanese films are still Japanese on almost all levels. So, continue to look like a pompous fool, or accept the fact that we (at least the countries with larger film industries) will occasionally get movie that are an amalgam of cultures.

this whole message should have been summarized in just one phrase: GET THE F@#K OVER IT.

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sum edgy weaboo rage up in here.

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It's japanese, no matter what you think.

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true japanese cinema fans would hate it for so many reasons.


Wow...there's nothing wrong with disliking a film – but as a longtime lover of Akira Kurosawa, Yasujirō Ozu, Kenji Mizoguchi, and Mikio Naruse, I'd say your criticism lost its credibility there. Swiftly.

Love Exposure certainly isn't the most refined of motion pictures, but to dismiss it all as "hentai" in a sentence or two suggests a refusal to truly evaluate its story and think about Sono's intent regarding its objectionable content.

If you reply to this comment, please give some good reasoning. And above all, don't just state as fact that any "true" fans of x or y would have hated a film. In 1980, many “true” (by your definition) fans of horror would have disparaged The Shining. In 1982, many “true” fans of science-fiction would have found Blade Runner slow and bloated.

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