The girl is an idiot. couldn't stand watching her. - Sin nombre (2009) Discussion

[–] lmayeu3 14 years ago

She was told by a psychic that if she was to make it across, it would be in the hands of the devil. Had she stayed on the train with her father and uncle, she'd be deported and/or killed just like they were.

Not so dumb now, was she?

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[–] sauceman56 14 years ago

Following the advice of a psychic is dumb.

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[–] PoppyTransfusion 13 years ago

She was told by a psychic that if she was to make it across, it would be in the hands of the devil. Had she stayed on the train with her father and uncle, she'd be deported and/or killed just like they were.

Exactly. I don't get people's issues with this at all. As others have said her attachment to her father wasn't strong and from the outset she was ambivalent about going to America with him.

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[–] cool_hamid95 12 years ago

Completely off-record: I have to say I notice you on a LOT of message boards :|
Could just be that you're really active on imdb or just happen to get into a lot of the movies I watch.

Still, this is bugging me because I get a crazy dejà vu every time I see that Björk-line (at least that's where I think you have it from, lol) :P

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[–] PoppyTransfusion 12 years ago

Hello Hamid, it was a Bjork line from Batchelorette. I post a lot on IMDb and perhaps might be into films you watch.

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we see things as we are

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[–] cool_hamid95 12 years ago

Seeing through the board history on your profile I'd say that's fairly correct :)

Also, love Björk. Vespertine's my favorite album.

Feel free to exchange an email or something so this board doesn't have to be filled with gibberish :P

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[–] hellblade 11 years ago

So, when will we see a film of your own, huh guys? xD

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[–] berrorg 14 years ago

I suppose you people only watch movies with flawless characters, right?

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[–] sauceman56 14 years ago

Of course not, flawless characters leave almost no room for character development. Flawless characters are boring. Stupidity is not a desired flaw because generally, it is not one that can be overcame.
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[–] lmayeu3 14 years ago

"Following the advice of a psychic is dumb."

Maybe, but it is what kept her alive and got her to America.

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[–] lulupalooza 12 years ago

Sure, in hindsight you can make many "predictions" seem to fit. It was ignorant and superstitious to believe in a psychic's seeming infallibility. However, if you really look at her actions, she may be responsible for her father's death and uncle's deportation - based on the fact that they got off the train that they would have all stayed on. She put them all a great risk!

And look what transpired. She probably would've made it to the U.S with both her dad and uncle's help. If not, there was safety in numbers and they were family that needed to stick together, no matter what.

When the dust settles, her immature actions will be a heavy a burden for her to carry for the rest of her life....all that for a stranger with a death warrant on him. She thanked him properly for his help during the attack, but then it was time to politely move on...not to follow like a puppy. Though overall I liked the film, I actually think it's annoying that the writer/director chose to create such a weak female lead.

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[–] erinsm 12 years ago

I completely disagree with your analysis. First of all, you have to look at this culturally. . . Psychics are revered by many people, especially in rural areas like where it appeared Sayra was from. Secondly, she was not close to her dad at all. As another poster has stated... if you pay attention to the film you will see that her "father" has not been a father to her for quite some time, has been with another woman besides Sayra's mom and had other kids. In her eyes, he had no right to even call himself her father. If they had all stayed on the train, chances are everyone would have been deported or killed. Thirdly, She related to Willy because she felt as trapped as he did. She got off the train because she was tired of being told what to do... she wanted a real choice. So I don't think she's a weak female lead at all. A little selfish perhaps, but weak? You want to talk weak (and stupid) let's talk Martha Marlene!

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[–] RoN2525 14 years ago

she's annoying, and it's kind of her fault her uncle was caught, and dad died when they got off the first train to wait for her. I hate when the girl character has to help the bad guy, and go against her family.

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[–] lierrevene 14 years ago

(¡Spoilers:!) The problem is that she never quite trusted her father (they were estranged, at least that is what I got from the beginning and the scene where he shows her the picture of his family; she says: "I don't need a picture of YOUR family"...) plus she didn't actually want to go on this trip in the first place.

Willy saved her from having a really really awful, disgusting, dreadful, shameful... (not enough words to describe it) experience! of course her giving up everything for him is a little much - but I can see where she is getting it from. She is sort of still a child and she only realizes what her family means to her when she hears about her father's death... Willy is the only person who earned her trust, so it does sort of make sense to me... and it was made clear in the film that she is absolutely idolizing him (when she tries to smell his t-shirt in the car... and the simple fact that she is running after him like a lovesick child). It's sort of a mixture between (teenage) rebellion against her father, which is even stronger since he had left her alone for so long, and finding some sort of hero, somebody she really feels save with in Willy.

I think that many of us can't actually relate to what she is going through at that point, not even remotely.

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[–] erinsm 13 years ago

What made him the "bad guy"? Just because he was a gang member doesn't make him a bad guy. We don't know what his circumstances were before joining the gang. Seems to me, as many others on the thread have posted, that he wanted out. The girl isn't really that annoying, she's just young and slightly rebellious and mad at her dad. You're making a lot of assumptions.

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[–] territerri 12 years ago

So you hate it and found the character annoying. That's your opinion. She was a teenager, and teenagers make impulsive decisions. I thought her character was true to life. This was an excellent movie. Realistic, not like the pablum that comes out of Hollywood.

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[–] compact_disc_rack 9 years ago

Actually that aspect was very Hollywood. That she got attached to the bad boy. Lame.

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[–] a-movie-fan 14 years ago

Her father had been out of her life for such a long time and had a new wife with a couple more daughters and so she felt like she'd been abandoned and replaced. I'd imagine her father said he'd come back for her but it'd been such a long time that she no longer trusted what he said and/or did. Plus, some posts are correct, she had been told by a psychic that she would make it and although you may think that's stupid, a lot of cultures have different beliefs and if that's what she needed to believe to help her get through the journey then who is anyone to judge. I mean, the psychic was right, wasn't she??!! The other thing was, she was a young adolescent girl who clearly had a crush on the bad boy and was intrigued by him. Clearly being a girl perhaps raised a little more sheltered, I don't think she fully understood who he was or what his gang represented and how dangerous they really are. One can hear and/or read about many things but never fully grasp the reality until they're face to face with it.

I think you're being very immature given it's a character in a film on this occasion yet sadly, people have to make these decisions all the time in these and other situations. She did not get her father killed, he did by sitting up on the train, standing and then running. As he'd stated to them earlier, most of those people at the beginning of the journey, never make it!! He knew the risks and it's all part and parcel of the journey. If you think about it clearly for a minute, you'll realize that had she stayed with her father, she would have been either a) caught and deported like her Uncle or b) killed like her father!! By making the choice she did, right, wrong or otherwise, it got her where she and her father, wanted her to be!!

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[–] GIJoel65 14 years ago

To me it's not all that surprising that she would leave her father. After all, she gre up withuot him, and hadnt seen him in who knows how long. At times you could tell she had some resentment for him.

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[–] mvassa71 13 years ago

Agreed, the girl was a major league idiot. But how many girls have you known that have done really stupid sh*t?

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[–] Lucifer9999 13 years ago

she felt in love with him.. that simple... plus, she thought her father loves the daughters in america, not her....

"It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is progress!"

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[–] Paul_Kersey_Jr 13 years ago

I find her character to be believable, I mean she's like 18 or something? She was pretty irrational, but that's not rare for 18 yr old girls. It's almost like some female fantasy, to be saved by some 'bad boy' knight in shining armor. I did find her character annoying, and felt that if she was killed, she kinda asked for it. In fact, on some level I wanted the gangsters to gun her down too, lol!

I enjoyed "Amexicano" much more than this, but this was a decent movie.

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[–] JebDaBush 13 years ago

You're right, she's stupid. I hate when dumb female characters get everyone killed. Her pops should have just abandoned her and left her to a lifestyle where she'll eventually be raped or killed since that looks like what she is attracted to.

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[–] ausher28 13 years ago

You are so insensitive.. you clearly never lived a life where you felt abandoned. my God.. it's just ridiculous to read this.. you WANT her to be raped or killed?! Willy never raped anyone.. maybe killed someone, but that is typical of gang life (as you SHOULD know.) She didn't get anyone killed. Those people all put themselves in danger when they decided to cross borders illegally especially since border cities in any central and south american countries are the WORST! you live in america where the border is a lot more protected that in many other countries. Ever been to Mexico? and I don't mean the acapulco, cancun, or cabo. I mean the real mexico. Ever been to Guatemala and Honduras? The world's worst gang is in these areas. These people rape and kill daily and just because she's attracted to the guy, doesn't mean she's attracted to the lifestyle, and clearly he didn't want her to be.

For you to say that she's attracted to a rapist and a killer is just pure stupidity. ugh.. you people in your industrialized nations have NO SYMPATHY for 3rd world countries, or their people, or their beliefs.

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[–] shanetaylor2 13 years ago

Come on now dont start sounding like a victim here, what he said has absolutely to do with "industrialized nations" he's just a moron along with half of the other people on this thread. I mean to say your last sentence pretty much means we got a guy who thinks people in third world countries are murderers and rapist and a guy who thinks people in 1st only care about themselves. Why would either of you ever be right.

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