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pretty good... until the very end (spoilers), but still good!

posted 15 years ago by Randy-the-Ram
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i like revenge movies, but the ending is a little too far fetched. the daughter wants to revenge her mother, who just died only because of the new wife (indirectly), and whom she never really knew; and kill her dad who took her out of that environment and seemingly a pretty good dad at that (e.g. soccer coach, new life, obviously cares for his daughter)? Naaahhhh... hell, i was rooting for the dad at the end.

Anyway, pretty good movie nonetheless.It kept me engaged until the end, but the daughter is just silly in her unwarranted, but nonetheless deep rooted, ill rooted contempt toward her dad. But... I suppose now that the stupid new wife made the dad a fugitive vagabond, daughter will have more reason to hate her dad! Put into that perspective, the person who deserved to get wacked was Amaya..

Anyway, I suppose not a lot of folks here have had a chance to see yet. I encourage that you do... definitely worth admission price if it comes to your area.

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[–] pensive_1 15 years ago

This movie was trying to show that involvement with the death cult ends well for no one. Amaya started a lot of this originally, with her desire to avenge her father's death at the hands of Jack/Roberto. Part of her revenge included turning Jack's own daughter against him, which admittedly was based on a weak premise. Up until the last act, Toby's mother was still alive... Regardless, the fact that Toby felt the overwhelming need to kill her own father for the (very recent) death of her mother came off a little weak to me.

Oddly enough, at first I didn't dig this film too much, but now I actually sort of like it. I'm always the weird one that likes movies that don't always get 10/10 stars.

Moral of the story: don't get involved with death-worshipping, revenge-seeking death cults, kids!

[–] CarolAtkinson 15 years ago

The daughter didn't know the mother was still alive until the very end, she thought she was dead all along, and Amaya put the idea in her head that Jack killed her a long time ago ...

That's my understanding anyway ... I could be wrong!

[–] pensive_1 15 years ago

"The daughter didn't know the mother was still alive until the very end, she thought she was dead all along, and Amaya put the idea in her head that Jack killed her a long time ago ... "

Now see, THAT makes sense. Thanks, Carol :)

[–] Ppink_Flamingo 14 years ago

I don't think the daughter knows anything. She was brainwashed by the family of Amaya to kill her father. I don't even think they know what happened to her mother.

[–] tvashtar2919 14 years ago

I didn't understand the brainwashing at all. They could have just skipped the whole last ten minutes, or at least written it better. She said he was going to lose someone close to him, but then are intentionally allowed to escape, or was that another mistake? They could have expected her to die, but then why bother to brainwash? Maybe they wanted him to die, but again why bother with the whole elaborate plan? This took years to pull off, with lots of people involved, then they just let him go, figuring he would be scared now? Why would his daughter kill him anyway, which was just another silly divergent? He was a killer for some Mexican mob, so I suppose the next one will be about him hunting this 'family' of revenge minded long term planning failures down and slaughtering them.

[–] dacaria-1 13 years ago

Katie says that she woke up one morning and everyone was gone, her husband her daughter. Jack/Roberto took his daughter out of that environment. He probably told the child growing up that the mother died.

Amaya comes along and tells Toby that in fact the mother didn’t die when she was a baby, but was murdered by none other than her father (though the truth is, Katie was only killed recently).

To me Amaya sees Toby as herself long ago, that's why she took so long to act out her revenge. Amaya was around Toby’s age when she saw her father killed. She wanted to avenge her father, but as a small child couldn’t. What better way to avenge her father than to have the killer’s beloved child do it. What’s worse, it’s done with the same religion Jack/Roberto ran from. And as an added bonus, Toby loses her father around the same age Amaya did, thus appeasing Amaya’s twisted sense of revenge.

[–] lamont-hard 13 years ago

SPOILERS............................ So the second wife Marries the guy sleeps with him for at least a couple of years if not more to run this elaborate scheme. When you step back and think about what this movie tried to be you may laugh at how far they missed there mark. She had to be a true nut job to pull this off with cooking, sleeping, and having great sex for that long without unraveling at some point TOTALLY UNREALISTIC. Then out of the blue never really knowing weather her plan in the end worked or not [ she let them escape hoping the daughter would stay in some kind of trance for years until the time was right] all of a sudden two people you have been with are gone so what becomes of your life. at least he sexed a nice looking babe in the process.

[–] chiibug 15 years ago

pfft, i know.

now she's going to end up with no family. YAY FOR HER!

but whatever, it's a movie.

[–] italianpride17 14 years ago

I wanted to see Simon Baker kill that super crooked sheriff. You know the one helping this evil group instead of actually using the law to his advantage.

The whole Latino actor who channels Cheech and Chong accent offends me greatly.