loved the film
but the characters are a sad reflection on soceity
makes you depressed when u scum bags like this walking the streets
rant over
still loved the film, but had trouble listening to what they were saying half the time, i am from the uk too
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"loved the film
but the characters are a sad reflection on society
makes you depressed when see u scum bags like this walking the streets"
If they had something to look forward to they wouldn't turn to crime.
Instead of spending $100,000 dropping a single bomb on third world countries we should be putting the money into creating jobs in our own.
It's not the fault of the young ones. No one chooses to live that way anymore than a person chooses to die of disease and starvation.
well said
shareYou know what the sad thing is...KEEP BELIEVING THAT. Because the ones who mainly lose out are the ones who believe that. Whatever happened to believing you could overcome, or if theyre so courageousm using their courage to go against the grain, if theyre so tough, using their toughness to stay out of this bad life.
I know the economy and society plays a role in s**t like this, but people can live with a mindset of Determinism or a mindset of Proactivity and Self Control. Determinism says "Its in my genes, its my family's fault. Its the society, the environment is at fault. Its the way I was raised, its my mothers fault." Proactive people say "No matter what has happened in the past or where I come from, I make my own choices and I take responsibility for myself, if I fall 99 times I am geting up 100 times. I will make this work."
Youd be surprised at how many "successful" people come from lives far worse than you would ever imagine. Its easy to look at somebody who has done something with their life and say "They must have had all the breaks, and all the opportunities, they have good fortune or whatever." When in fact that is usually not the case. Most people who truly succeed in life come from terrible circumstances, much worse than living on a council estate or growing up in a tough neighborhood. And the reason they have so muh passion for living a good life is due to the amount of discontent they have for the life they once lived, it becomes their fuel, most people who have it all handed to them end up mediocre, average, or slightly above par. And Im not simply speaking of making money, being insanely rich isnt the measure of a persons greatness. My god, there are people in wheelchairs who can barely move anything on their body who find a way to go to school, play sports, hold down some kind of a job.
Nobody with a heart WANTS to see kids grow up like this, act like this and think there is nothing that can be done. But the first thing that needs to be done is to take away the excuses, and show people they can live a better life.
I made plenty of mistakes, and I corrected them and I paid for them for sure. So I am not preaching, and Im not a saint, but I live according to my principles and I respect myself.
And yes, the people that are involved in these kids' lives, the teachers, the parents, the families, the agencies and even law enfocement need to stop with the excuses too, they need to go the extra mile for these kids, they need to care about making a difference and put in their work too. But in the end, if all you've got is you, things may be very difficult, but not impossible.
People on this planet have been poor for ages, a lot poorer than even a person with nothing out there in the cities, people used to have nothing and they were out in the wilderness, the poorest person nowadays living in a society has it better than poor people have ever had it and we have ALWAYS had the poor.
Im not bringing down judgement or trying to ridicule, Im trying to express the idea that excuses can be made for anything and everything, and some are very valid, but they are still excuses and although there is leniency and understanding, there is a line that has to be drawn.
Imagine what 20 of these poor kids could do if they sat down and decided to work as a team to create some sort of business, or means of an income that was legal. Its not about being poor and forced into a life of crime, its about using your hardships as an excuse to be a bada**, and to do whatever you wish to do, and to hurt other people, steal, kill, whatever it is that flashes through their minds in the split second before they take anothers life for some gear, tennis shoes and a FUBU jacket.
Or maybe its the music...the music made them do it?? ;P
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It's true but that doesn't account for the countless people who grow up with nothing and yet make something for themselves. Yes they need money spending on them, but part of the problem is the crappy parenting, by parents who themselves had crappy parents. And the current kids will have their own kids when they are about 16 or so and those kids will be *beep* up too.
The government really should step in and break the cycle, but I think people should be brave and admit that part of the problem is that some of these people are pure scum and they are too far gone to be fixed. I saw it in my own town when a centre was build with youth activities but also stuff for older people. You can just go in and get a cup of tea and advice on pretty much anything, and there are all kinds of things they can arrange for people - it is in ADDITION to the Citizens Advice Bureau. It is a really great place, and I worked there when it was being built. The day before it opened, some *beep* had spraypainted the outside and vandalised all the windows and stuff. They spent yet more money to clean it up and moved on, and then a few months later, someone set fire to it.
When there are people out there with that kind of mentality, and their parents SUPPORT it, then no amount of money from the government will help them. The problem is too big now. Even "millions put into schools" wouldn't work, because most of these people don't even go to school, and if they do, they certainly don't listen.
We need money, but we need other stuff too. And without it, we are *beep*
Reapervai wrote:
"If they had something to look forward to they wouldn't turn to crime.
Instead of spending $100,000 dropping a single bomb on third world countries we should be putting the money into creating jobs in our own.
It's not the fault of the young ones. No one chooses to live that way anymore than a person chooses to die of disease and starvation."
What a pantload of liberal crap!! Those losers and the loser parents who bred them may not be able to read, write or speak but they all have eyes. Knowing that, anyone who grows up in the age of television knows that if you don't get a decent education (provided for FREE by the government) and put in some effort you are going to end up in the lower class. They had something to look forward to and they squandered it.
Here are 2 scenarios for you consider:
Person A decides he wants to be a football star. He spends 2 hours a day, 7 days a week kicking a ball, learning passing, working on his conditioning. With all his hard work he still has a miniscule chance of making it to the pros. Change footballer for rap star, artist, actor or any other high-profile position with big rewards but little real chance of success if you like.
Person B decides he wants to be an engineer. He spends an hour a day, 5 days a week, studying after school in math and the sciences. He stays in school, avoids drugs, doesn't try to be a father before he's graduated. Odds are virtually 100% in his favor that he will achieve his goal. Doesn't matter if he's rich or poor, the government will assist him if he can't afford it on his own. All he has to do is prove he's worth the investment.
What we have in this movie is Person C, the one too stupid to study and too lazy to try for the big score in sports or entertainment. They are exactly in the position in life they worked to attain.
Yeah that's all nice and everything but then there's the little matter of something called reality.
It might help to give it a little consideration, you know.
*beep* consideration, these scum should "consider" their options available to them, they're happy with their station in life they're pathetic.
All this crap about they wouldn't commit crime if they could afford it or toss like that, a portion of these scum do the crime because they think it makes them cool, not for money, they want to be baaad assseses.
Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.
Yeah it's not their fault of course, it's all society's fault, they were "forced" into it .
Get off it, what a load of bull. As other people have posted, they have every opportunity to get a decent job and look forward to a better way of life, there are thousands of jobs out there if you apply a little effort and have patience. They are given free education up to degree standard, and also given numerous grants and loans especially if they're on low income like the characters portrayed in the film.
The fact that you compare their "plight" to the ones of people dying of starvation, famine and disease in third world countries is frankly offensive. Now THOSE are the people who truly have no choice, as opposed to these wannabe gangsta chavs who throw their lives away bullying, assaulting, drug dealing, stealing, getting involved in tit-for-tat gang violence and retribution; believe me, these people do indeed choose to live that way, as it's "cooler" in their eyes and more rewarding. And then we have people like you who bleat, "oh it's not their fault, let's spend more money on them and give them EVEN more opportunities to piss away." By the way, how exactly does one spend money "creating jobs"? We live in a free market capitalist society where the jobs are already there for people who can fill the position. Too bad if they're not willing to put in the hard work to get those jobs.
We call this the Loom of Fate.
"If they had something to look forward to they wouldn't turn to crime.
Instead of spending $100,000 dropping a single bomb on third world countries we should be putting the money into creating jobs in our own.
It's not the fault of the young ones."
That's utter drivel said by someone that hasn't experienced the *beep* day in day out firsthand. A lot of people have nothing to look forward to, but that doesn't magically turn them into violent sadists does it? These scumbags get gratification out of hurting people, damaging things and creating grief where there could easily have been none. They LOVE the livestyle, they chose it, they practise tough talking with a knife in front of the mirror and are desperate for the chance to try out the moves they've learned from gangsta movies and rap. Seriously, you can unravel any crime, reduce it to a series of events in someone's life, attribute everything wrong with someone's psyche to whatever, upbringing, bang on the head as a baby, abused, etc. So is nobody bad, is nobody to blame? Yes, THEY are to blame. Just because someone has nowhere to go doesn't magically convert them into a person that would get gratification from stamping on someone's face, does it.
After WWII , when people really did have it tough (not just not having the latest trainers, phones, 50" TVs) etc , they still had far more respect for themselves, parents, elders and their community.
These wannabe gangsta, brainless youths have no respect for anyone, but demand it from everyone. They want instant riches but don't want to work (honestly) for it.
'how do we get rid of scum like these people ?'
provide opportunities for people to work themselves out of deprived areas (which many do). For those who still choose to subscribe to this hip hop 'get rich or die trying' mentality, just dump them in the North Sea. We would be better off without them. They contribute nothing and take everything.
Experienced it first hand? The closest enyone in the west has ever got to poverty has been due to their gyro being late in the post.
I've been to the areas your government is bombing. You have no idea what it is to be poor. Your screen name says it all.
The best thing for scum like this is is Saudi justice. Chop off hands if they don't behave.
The causes of such human degeneration are certainly relevant at the social level (in the sense of how to prevent it/ameliorate it in the future), but not on the individual level. The people whose default mode of behaviour is to hurt other people, should be prevented from doing so by whatever means available using whatever force necessary. The protections of the social contract stop being applicable the moment one acts in a way that breaks the social contract.
shareyou know, once i met a girl on nightclub.ok, a girl can have fun, istarted to talk with her and found out she has 4 kids at home. my reaction was something like: Is this your birthday? did you got a raise? what the *beep* are you doing in a night club on Wednesday night with 4 kids at home?
Its all about parenting. parents dont care about their children, and they turn to crime. peer pressure moves along.
"If you have a gun, you don't need to work out"
I know plenty of scum with loving parents with jobs and a stable family, all the trimmings, they'd never be rich but they have nothing to complain about.
The kids still turned to drugs, gangs and everything that goes inbetween, some people are just not functioning on a level helpful to society and they have no one to blame but themselves.
Even those who weren't given a good start in life, yes its not their fault other kids may have been brought up to be more intelligent and sociable than them but its still up to them to sort their own lives out, everybody has to take responsibility for their actions at some point.
Something I find funny, EMA is given to 'disadvantaged' college students, judged by parents earnings, for turning up to their lessons. £30 a week is about the most you get, and this is to help those who weren't given a good start to get educated and function in society, I have no problem with that principle there, but half the people I know who get the EMA money use it to pay for their weed and alcohol.
Government funded drug taking is just a great little fact of life, but atleast they're in college making the same government look rosy for keeping them in classes getting grades. Grades look good on paper.
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Which Characters in this movie were scum??
Sam - An EX-Convict who served his debt to society and is looking to reform his life by finding the people who want to hurt his family?
Jay- A drug dealer who is bent on revenge for someone killing his friend and only getting 6 years in prison?
Moony - A guy going to university?
Sam's brother and crew are about the only ones who I could even consider scum, as a matter of fact actually only Dabs would be considered scum.
The drug dealers/fences are grown men who know what they're doing is wrong and are continuing the cycle. At one point I remember the kid who got bricked(forgot his name) says you think i'm stupid? I might be hanging around you guys but Ive got better plans with my life than going to jail.
For the most part people who commit crimes in a developed nation do not do it because it's their only option, they do it because they think it's cool. Why do they think it's cool? because society and the media. The main reason is that developed nations are based primarily off of materialistic things. Ever spend time with a 3rd world family and you'll see that they all love their family. How many people hate it when family comes over for a holiday, in America or Uk or any other developed nation that feeds off of materialism? Now I'm not saying materialism is wrong but I am saying that money NEVER lasts and its actually one of the last things on a list of impact-full things one could ask for.