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Hmmm no I hated it...


The story was pretty mediocre, as was the movie. I was following it fine, until the court-room when he started doing the Kramer-like self-representing legal nonsense. Became a bit farcical at that point. I thought Amy Adams was okay, she's never really impressed me to be honest, and looks a lot less cute now than she used to. As for the movie, wait for it on Redbox or for a dollar on your Roku. Better stuff out there right now to spend your bucks on. Is Amy Adams going to get a nomination for anything and everything she does? And oddly enough, it was crap kitch art, always was, might as well have a painting of Vladimir Tretchikoff's 'the green lady' on your wall...

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The court room scene was one of the most true to life scenes in the movie. If you read up on Watler Keene he did exactly that in court.

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Well in fact he went further than that, the kept it pretty minimal in the film.

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Did you see him do it? I think not.

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Well, then none of it happened. I highly doubt that Margaret Keane painted any of those paintings because I never saw her paint them. I also doubt that she painted a painting in court because I never saw her paint it. I don't believe Margaret Keane has a daughter because I never saw her give birth. I've never even seen Margaret Keane, so I believe the movie just made up the idea that there is a Margaret Keane.

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Basically you cannot argue that something you did not actually witness, but instead seen third-hand through a movie was completely factual now can you? Holding fast to an opinion you saw in a movie implies that Lincoln actually did free all of America's slaves - when in fact he didn't, that William Wallace had sex with the Queen of England to produce offspring despite the fact that she wasn't actually born yet, that Edison invented the light-bulb when in fact it was Swan, and that Robin Hood and Jesus actually existed and actually did things exactly as described in the movie... Bottom-line you know nothing other than what was presented to you in a Hollywood movie, and cannot argue that as established fact. Next you'll be telling me that you use Wikipedia as the unquestionable resource for your term papers... I rest my case.

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Wow... It's pretty clear that you've never read something before as your entire understanding of anything seems to come from movies.

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Think you might be missing the point here. I know it must all seem like an aeroplane to you, it's so far above your head...

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Are you really this dense? The woman has painted hundreds of paintings in the ensuing years, and he painted nothing. You'd have to be braindead to not 'get it.'

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It's well documented how he acted and behaved in court, they knew the audience would struggle to believe and accept it so they kept it pretty minimal in the film.

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Can you cite these documents so the rest of us can read them? I think not...

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I don't feel i should have to do YOUR homework and research. i'm not your nanny. I have spent my own time, money and effort on the subject not for you to sponge off of me.. Lazy gig.

NO doubt you'll eventually get off your arse and do it yourself.... i think not, because you know you'll be proving wrong, plus it'll take a little more effort than trolling.

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So you can't cite them then, and have no actual knowledge of them. Don't think you've spent any time or any money on something you didn't actually do.

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Typical response, don't get your own way so you throw your teddy in the corner.
Clearly you wont research the subject yourself encase you find something you don't like, more than likely you do know but just don't want to accept it.

I think you're a toll by the style of your comments.

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Uhh, the court records (transcripts) of that trial are replete with all the actions of Walter Keane. Tim Burton said he had to leave quite a bit of it out because he didn't think the audience would believe a lot of it happened.

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It was pure Kramer, even the voice. Watch the scene again and think Kramer. How do you know what he did in court, whose account are you going on? I wasn't there and neither were you. It's a *beep*

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Well Copernicus called and you are NOT the center of the universe!

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Come back with something original why don't you. Keane called and you are not the author behind that quotation...

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Why would Keane call? I doubt Keane is the author of that citation. I doubt anybody is the author of that citation. Unless you actually saw the author post that citation, then nobody could have been the author of that citation. In fact, it's possible that your post doesn't even exist. I didn't see you post it, so I can't accept it as fact.

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Why would Copernicus call, he's been dead hundreds of years and never used a telephone. And your posting disappeared up your own anus, hence it never existed, I never read it, and this is a figment of your imagination...

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How do you know Copernicus died? Did you actually see him die? It only really happened if you saw it happen. And what post are you referring to? Did you see me post it? If you didn't see me post it, then it never actually happened.

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Well that escalated quickly. Guys / there are these things called court transcripts. That's where the scenes were taken from.

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I doubt that such a resource was ever used for this piece of fiction, have you read them?

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Considering that it is based on a true story, and everyone but Walter is still alive, it's not such a stretch to assume that the screenwriter would have researched the court records while writing the screenplay.

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Why assume anything? That is unlikely to have actually happened. You are hearing an account from one side...

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Judging from the comments you have been making so far, you're either an idiot...or a troll seeking attention...or both. I'm voting for "both."

Goodbye.



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You said goodbye and I hope you mean it, I was losing brain-cells reading your postings...

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I didn't like it either. My beef was with the dubious veracity of absolutely every fact in the movie. It's almost a character assassination of Walter, both in the script and in Waltz's extremely frantic portrayal. Before the movie I did some basic Wikipedia-centric research on the story, but prior to that I was completely unfamiliar with the paintings and controversy. Margaret's account, which Burton and his screenwriters adopt wholeheartedly, has been severely questioned by Walter's family. Of course that's not surprising, but I feel they are probably telling the truth. He didn't paint the waifs, but he had more of an "ideas" involvement with them, they say. The movie portrays him as wholly without talent, as a scheming, lying, violent madman and an aggressive fraud. I'm sure that the reality wasn't near like this, and I feel sorry for his family that their loved one is being represented this way. Without question he misrepresented things, otherwise people would have known that Margaret painted the waifs, when that was only made public a couple decades ago.

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Character assassination? They credit him with being on the ground floor of mass art. Posters became more famous than the paintings themselves. Do you recall in the movie, the stroke of genius it was to sell those? That was all Walter. It implied, without him, Margaret would've been an obscure kitsch painter.

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Yes, I've read that about the posters, but that's hardly "talent," and his family seems to be saying that he was artistically talented in some way (something I read said he had a toy line with big-eyed dolls). I guess my problem with the film was that we don't really know where many of the "facts" came from, considering that this was not based on a biography or memoir. Did the screenwriters interview Margaret? Did they use court transcripts? Did they just use internet details and make the rest up? They may have spoken about this; I don't know. Walter is depicted as a terrible person and even a tad violent. The latter may have been accurate; I'd just like to know where this is coming from. If it's made up or exaggerated, one would have to feel for his family that their loved one is now being shown as a violent person all in the name of "dramatic license."

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Yeah, I just listened to Gilbert Gottfried's amazing colossal podcast with the screenwriters of this movie. It's really entertaining if you can find it on iTunes. They also wrote "Problem Child" & "Ed Wood." They got some flack for Bela Lugosi too. I felt they painted him to be charming, eccentric and silly. I didn't think it was too ugly depiction.

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They got some flack for Bela Lugosi too

Lugosi's son was quite happy with it.

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Flack meaning, Lugosi didn't swear as much as depicted by Landau.

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!

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Nothing you've said about Margaret's art, hasn't already been said by the art community. Same comparison probably with John Waters & film.

I enjoyed this movie a lot. It was an interesting unique look at art and what it meant to turn it into commercial value. Sometimes it's complete accident. With the right people finding it at the right time. It's almost an indictment on movies as well.

I also liked the silliness. And the degree of silent dignity of Adam's character (whether it was accurate or not) throughout. We're not watching a documentary here. So, as far as truth goes...it's probably less entertaining.

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