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I hope friends from western world watch this film completely


Maybe friends frome other countries watch this film and just want to know a short history about china,and then give some remarks to the film itself,its photograhy tech,or its director's and amauters' performance.

But the film is never just a film to chinese,the film win the award in Berlin,while left the Japanese Gov denying the fact until now,left the victims's relatives can not get proper compensations until now,left more than 250,000 victims crying under the speeding up developing land.

Jew have got their own compensations from some countries ranging from former Nazi to the Allies. whlie Chinese confront the unlawfully occupied land by japan now...

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Dont hold your breath waiting for proper compensation. They'll never recompense those victims relatives, nor have reparations on the same levels that the Germans did for the Jewish people.

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When will the victims of the Cultural Revolution, to name only one incident, be fully compensated? And please don't give me this "You're a foreigner, you don't understand China" crap as I've lived there long enough to understand.

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How typical...going off track by mentioning something completely irrelevant of the subject. Cultural Revolution is initiated by the Chinese GOVERNMENT and those who suffer are Chinese CIVILIANS. Those who died in Nanking are CIVILIANS and the communist GOVERNMENT did not exist then. Brushing off the atrocities in Nanking by mentioning Cultural Revolution is extremely irresponsible and irrational, since both incidents involve innocent civilians dying and suffering. The latter tragedy does not justify the Japanese in their earlier atrocities in any way, shape, or form. Those people who ask for compensations are not government workers. They are merely ordinary people. Sure, they are under a lot of attention because of the current government's propaganda, but that does not automatically make their claims invalid. You really ought to know the difference of government and people as they are NEVER a whole. You have no idea how many people resented the CCP within China.

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The CCP has brushed off the 60 to 80 million Chinese civilian deaths that took place under Mao, in favor of pointing to atrocities committed by Imperial Japan, but the deaths at the hands of the Japanese pale greatly compared to those under Mao, and the count has continued under the CCP. Also not that Mao's communist government still controls the still developing China, while Japan is now a developed democratic country, as are Taiwan and South Korea.

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Understanding what?
What you have wrote shows that you understand nothing, a really stupid statement.

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"Americans are to ignorant to understand anything above a grade 3 level..."

Not unlike the ignorance world-wide, exhibited by danrawlings, that assumes that Americans are what is portrayed by Hollyweird, the State-run media and the current moron in our White House. Methinks you need to either grow up or get smarter. I am at least able to know when to properly use to, too, or two (and on occasion, "tu").

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I really, really hope that you are trying to be offensive. You show nothing but your own prejudices when you write something like that. The Japanese saw the Chinese as lesser beings, they as "superior" people. It was this condescending, idiotic, hateful sentiment that caused the Rape of Nanjing. Don't try to bolster your own low self esteem by criticizing the US, see what is deficient in your own country and try to change that. As Brazilians do, Americans do, Peruvians, and East Timorese, and everyone else who wants to make a difference. Nationality has no bearing on sympathy. Don't be a jerkoff.

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Awwwwww...it thinks it's onto something

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I suggest you educate yourself byond the instruction that you hate "Commies". As example, learn about Chiang Kai-Shek, the US ally before and during the US's participation in WW II. Chiang Kai-Shek, who was a fascist -- as were the Nazis and Japanese -- was so obsessed with eliminating Chinese "Commies" that he ignored the Japanese invasion, during which the Japanese were massacring Kai-Shek's countrymen. At the same time, Mao was fighing against the Japanese, while Kai-Shek was endeavoring to wipe out the Chinese "Commies".

It took Kai-Shek being kidnappeed by one of his own generals for him to agree to cooperate with Mao in the effort against the Japanese -- which was certainly and obviously the most important issue confronting China.

It was also Kai-Shek who abandoned Naking to the Japanese, leaving it toally undefended.

Moreover, as to mass deaths as consequence of Chinese "misadventures": before "Commies" existed in China, and before "fascism" was named though it existed in China, there were mass murders and famines which killed millions.

Picking out Mao for bashing, out of all those who preceeded him who did the same, and with no mention whatsoever of Chiang Kai-Shek, is worse than ignorant: it is bigotted: it was Mao who eliminated Western exploitation of China. It was Mao who eliminated foot-binding. It was Mao who established equality of the sexes in China.

That Mao had no part in the horrors of Nanking, and Chiang Kia-Shek had direct responsibility for it happening, means that Mao and whatever he did, is wholly irrelevant to the Rape of Nanking. Instead of in effect defending the Japanese, learn and stick to the facts.

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In the end all political ideologies are flawed, we should judge people by their actions alone.

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Thank you for that, I agree wholeheartedly.

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I think you should read some books outside Japan before you jump to your conclusion. Who did CKS attack? Who did Japanese Kwantung Army attacked? Chiang Kai Shek (CKS, Facist because he is anti-communist?), or was it because he attended Military Academy in Japan; or was it because he initially had German Generals as his advisors (Max Bauer, Alexander Falkenhausen, schoolmaster to Erwin Rommel at Dreden Infantry School) CKS was certainly a controversial figure in China, but your criticism does not hold water. You don't understand the history in China, that is why you only want to cherry pick what make sense to you.

Republic of China was only established in 1911, the government were started by intellectuals who had very little military experience. Germany was the only country that were friendly to China because they lost WWI. They had no preferential treatment from the Chinese Government. After 1911, there were war lord factions in China, including the communists. German Wehrmacht were the only country who were willing to lend money to China (6 million Gold Marks). Japanese actually attacked TsingTao (German Settlment in China). German high military command were never pleased with Hitler's alliance with Japan. Goering Herrman and Himmler regarded Japanese as the "Italians in the East", they will stab you in the back. Many of these generals later will conspire to assassinate Hitler, Falkenhausen, Beck, Rommel, etc.

When Japan invaded Manchuria, Chinese had no organized army. Only militia under the war lords. CKS was waiting the Revolutionary Army to be fully trained and equipped by his German Advisors. The German High Military Command were on board to fully train Chinese Army, Air Force, and Navy. One thing that never happened that probably would have saved China was pilots to be trained by Luftwaffe with Messerschmidt 109 fighters. It was because CKS made a mistake by stopping attacks against the communist, that Hitler later dismissed him as an ally. The Chinese Military was on schedule to be fully trained and equipped by 1939. Of course the Japanese and the war lords never gave him that chance.

CKS was admired by many Japanese Soldiers and Politician alike. If he was facist, he could have demanded many reparation from Japan; but he refused. Japanese POW under Chinese Nationalist were mostly very humane. General Okamura (commander of China expeditionary Army) would later take his allegiance to CKS to defend Nationalists. When CKS past away in Taiwan, PM Fukuda along with many Japanese Parliamentary members attended his funeral; despite protest from Communist China.

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The murders of Chinese people by all others pale greatly in comparison to the deaths under Mao, your god. And for your information, Mao thanked the Japanese because thanks to them, the KMT was weakened from doing most of the fighting, which made it easy for Mao to come out from hiding in the mountain caves to beat the KMT. Mao also had thousands of intellectuals buried alive then bragged about it. As for establishing equality of the sexes, does that mean he raped young boys the same as he raped young girls? As for the Red Guard, yes he used males and females to betray their teachers and parents. But organ harvesting from live forced donors is something that neither he nor Imperial Japan thought of turning to an industry. No that honor goes to Jiang Zemin and those that came after him. That state-sanctioned atrocity alone is worse than anything committed by the Japanese. And it continues to this day. Thankfully this year it's gotten lots of exposure worldwide, and nothing your commy masters can do can keep it from reaching the censored Chinese public. It will bring down the Party this year!


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Auf wiedersehen, Queeny.


No wonder Jesus won't come back...

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What a story! It's sad not many people are interested in watching these kind of movie. We cannot blame them, it's not their history.

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There was a recent Chinese film about Nanking called "The City of Life and Death", which I thought was even better than John Rabe, though both are very well done.

What's interesting is that, for a Chinese production, it spends a great deal of time with a Japanese soldier character and the conflict in his heart as everything happens around him (and he takes part). And after all the Chinese heroes are essentially snuffed out, it is that Japanese soldier that shows the last signs of humanity.

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The Japanese have got a "pass" on the conduct of their soldiers abroad, which was, on balance, much worse than that of the Wehrmacht, and as bad as the SSWaffen. Our intelligensia cannot forget that the Japanese people suffered terribly from our bombings, especially from the atomic attacks. So, indeed, they paid for the crimes of the theirs soldiers. But what the Chinese people, and the Fillipino people suffered should not be ignored as it has largely been, nor should the racism that is still so much a part of Japanese culture.

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The Japanese have got a "pass" on the conduct of their soldiers abroad, which was, on balance, much worse than that of the Wehrmacht, and as bad as the SSWaffen. Our intelligensia cannot forget that the Japanese people suffered terribly from our bombings, especially from the atomic attacks. So, indeed, they paid for the crimes of the theirs soldiers. But what the Chinese people, and the Fillipino people suffered should not be ignored as it has largely been, nor should the racism that is still so much a part of Japanese culture.

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It's too bad there hasn't been a film made about the atrocities the Chinese Communist Party committed against the people it rules, namely the 60 to 80 million deaths Mao Zedong is responsible for, not only due to bad policies that resulted in millions dying of starvation, but the millions he ordered killed and the thousands of intellectuals he had buried alive, then bragged that it was so much more than one of the emperors had buried alive. The Party is happy to see movies that show the atrocities committed on Chinese by Imperial Japan, while it keeps hidden its own atrocities, that include 10s of millions more Chinese deaths than at the hands of the Japanese. Then there's the Tiananmen Square Massacre of June 4, 1989, when not only unarmed demonstrators were shot down--many of them high school and college students, and in the back while trying to leave--but even doctors and nurses who were trying to helped the wounded. The families of the massacred never received compensation from the government, and are still harassed on the anniversaries for mourning their dead relatives.

At least there is a documentary and a movie this year about the state-sanctioned live forced organ harvesting of prisoners of conscience--Tibetans, Muslim Uyghurs, house Christians, but mainly practitioners of Falun Gong, who have been victims of persecution since 1999, when Jiang Zemin ordered the non-violent meditative movement crushed.


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See The Bleeding Edge, a dramatization based on real events concerning China's state-sanctioned live forced organ harvesting industry that has been going on since 2000, a year after Jiang Zemin ordered Falun Gong to be "crushed in 3 months."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3633032/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1




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