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The real tragic figure in this series...


... is Juice.

As the main character, all eyes were on Jax. All my female friends had girl-crushes on him... must be that bad boy thing. But really there was little to admire about him. He had few redeeming traits.

Some people might point to his seeming loyalty to family and friends, but even that was exposed as a lie throughout the series. He cheated on his wife. For all his talk about the importance of his children, he could have walked away from the life in a heartbeat.

Even when it came to his fellow club members, he wasn't above turning on members when it suited him. (This was a theme of the show... he ends up morphing into Clay Morrow, the man he detested.)

Which brings us to Juice. First, after seeing him as the criminal-with-a-conscience in Daredevil, I became a fan of actor Theo Rossi. I didn't realize he was in this series til I started watching it.

Juice was a loyal foot soldier, but he gets cast under the bus by Jax. Juice's crime was supposedly betraying Jax. Under Jax' orders, Juice kills an innocent woman. Struggling with the regret of that, he later confesses his crime to Nero while under the influence of drugs.

Jax is a douche though. He's enraged that Juice would expose his lie to Nero.

Juice later tries to atone by protecting Gemma, an action that unfortunately has significant repercussions, largely on the basis of their shared lie.

Juice's only real mistake was to assume that Jax would reciprocate his loyalty. He doesn't though... thug that he is, he arranges for Juice to be executed while in prison. But not before he first uses Juice ONE LAST TIME to extract the truth about his mother.

If you're going to feel sympathetic about anyone in this series, it should be Juice, not Jax.

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"If you're going to feel sympathetic about anyone in this series, it should be Juice, not Jax."

No. Juice betrayed Samcro and worked with the feds for an incredibly stupid reason. His a$$ covering cowardice led him to murdering the loyal and newly-patched Miles. Juice wasn't a bad guy at all. He was probably the kindest of the whole lot. But a coward who is willing to lie and watch others die and suffer to cover himself isn't worthy of much sympathy.

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"Juice betrayed Samcro and worked with the feds for an incredibly stupid reason."

It WAS incredibly stupid. But it was the result of weak writing. If you recall Roosevelt threatens to reveal to SAMCO that Juice's father was black. It was implied that Juice would be bounced from the club at best, possibly killed at worst. (As an insider the club couldn't risk cutting him loose with the knowledge that he could potentially reveal a lot of their inner workings.)

As a story development, there's nothing wrong with that idea. Except that when Jax and the Table later learn the truth of Juice's father the response is a big collective shrug. They aren't bothered by it at all. It turned out to be a big deus ex machina that drove seasons worth of storyline. (So I guess, yeah, in a roundabout way, Juice really was stupid for underestimating the loyalty of his fellow club members.)

"His a$$ covering cowardice led him to murdering the loyal and newly-patched Miles."

It has been awhile since I saw the show. If I recall didn't Miles discover that it was Juice that had stolen a brick? The confrontation quickly spiraled into a physical confrontation, and Juice wound up shooting Miles in self defence? (It's true though that Juice might have had to kill him anyway for fear that his theft and police cooperation might be exposed. But again it all comes back to the weak excuse the writers used to compromise Juice. He was just doing what he needed to do to survive.)

"But a coward who is willing to lie and watch others die and suffer to cover himself isn't worthy of much sympathy."

You'll have to remind me who else got directly screwed over by Juice. Yeah, there was lots of indirect fall out from his cooperation, but again that came to him being fearful for his life from his fellow club members -- which was baseless as we found out because of the poor setup in the writing.

Juice tried to be as loyal as he could be under the shaky circumstances.

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"It has been awhile since I saw the show. If I recall didn't Miles discover that it was Juice that had stolen a brick? The confrontation quickly spiraled into a physical confrontation, and Juice wound up shooting Miles in self defence?"

Yes, that's basically what happened. I just watched that scene again to get more clarity. Juice threw the brick at Miles with the intent of distracting him long enough to sprint off and (presumably) flee Samcro altogether. Miles shot him in the leg, gave him a couple of nasty punches to his right hamstring, and pulled out a knife right before Juice blew his brains out. Definitely a case for self defense, and it's clear that Juice didn't intend to kill him. After seeing this again I do have more sympathy for his plight. Still, his betrayal of Samcro led to Miles's death and almost led to the execution of one of the prospects (an outcome Juice was attempting to circumvent by retrieving the brick).

Juice was a good guy, definitely. But the OP's premise is that he was the most tragic figure among all the gang. I can't agree with that for a couple of reasons. I'd say that Tara is the most tragic figure, given her relatively clean life before becoming Jax's old lady. If we stick with Samcro members only, I think Bobby deserves the most sympathy. Like all the rest he was a criminal and a killer, but he was the most loyal to the club and the most insistent on rejecting any sorts of relationships - business or otherwise - that would compromise them. Had he been blackmailed by the authorities like Juice was, regarding information that would his standing with the club only, I expect Bobby would've taken a trip to prison or the grave rather than undermine Samcro (as Otto did until he sold them out to the feds). Perhaps that case could be made for Piney too, but to me he was simply less likable.

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No. It's Halfsack. He's dead now and also killed some lady before he took himself out.

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To clarify, you're talking about the actor that played him and what happened in real life, not his character in the show.

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Right.

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