I am insterested in seeing this movie. Is it another "bad Southerners-good Northeners", "evil whites-good blacks" movie or does it take an adjective take on the matter?
Hollywood's liberal propaganda makes me wanna throw up. So if someone can POLITELY tell me if the movie is worth seeing, please do so.
Not really. It is a story about a couple hundred confederate soldiers realizing that they no longer wanted to die to protect the rich plantation owners owning slaves. So they deserted and banded with some "free" slaves and fought against the south. It was a good story I thought.
shareActually the Southerners did not fight for the property of the rich but for their own independence. Whatever, the film is exactly what I expected.
shareAs a Souhterner: Nope.
The industrialized North was handing us our asses economically. And because they were so industrialized they also handed us our asses militarily.
Even today it's the same as it's always been: poor go fight---rich get exemptions.
Truth.
shareYeah, right! Keep telling yourself that. The biggest reason for the civil war was getting rid of slavery. You can wrap a turd in a tootsie roll wrapper but it's still sh*t!
shareI had guessed right then. Thanks.
sharei really enjoyed it and think that its def left-wing ( a good thing in my opinion). the black/white issue is only one aspect. mainly it seems to me, this is about a real person's rebellion against ordinary folk being used as cannon fodder. Newt makes a point of stating he neither owns any slaves nor grows any cotton. "It ain't just for us. Black, white, rich, poor, it's for everybody".
well acted, well made picture.
OK, so you're not American, and neither am I, but you feel the need to take a stand in this typical American neocon/libtard debate?
Why?
What do you personally get from defending the side of an American conservative? Or a antebellum Southern Democrat/slaveowner?
Or is it conservativism in general that you like? The preservation/conservation of 'good old days', 'old values'?
The lack of any socio-economic movement?
Everything is movement, son. It's fundamental to this here Earth.
You wouldn't be alive if it weren't for your daddy's movement in your mother.
Why on Earth would you intimately like to deny the movement that pushes the world and wheels of history forward, when you're gonna be dead and buried one day anyhow and it won't make any difference to you whatsoever?
Why on Earth would you intimately like to deny the movement that pushes the world and wheels of history forward, when you're gonna be dead and buried one day anyhow and it won't make any difference to you whatsoever?
As a human being, you cannot really provide any foundation other than financial security for your children and immediate family.
You cannot preserve your values and social mores you adhere to, and pass it down into 22nd century, not even for your children's children, let alone other peoples' - not in a civilization we live in today.
All you can do (if you have or decide to have children one day) try to bring up good, honest, moral and ethical people (kudos to you if you accomplish that) - these kind of people are the same throughout the history, no matter what goes on around them.
Person with integrity is always a person with integrity, no matter when or where.
Don't worry about the rest, the history will go on in a direction it goes on in, with or without your fussing about it.
(And no, I wasn't talking about a movement (adhering to some ideology or -ism), I do not believe in secret societies conspiracy theories, for no other reason than basic human fallibility. I was talking about the kind of natural movement of history and nature, which many a megalomaniac throughout the history tried to influence, but failed.
The one that sees civilisations rise and crumble.
The issue I have with conservatives in general is their basic desire to see the world not changing from when they were born (or some arbitrary point in recent history, when their kind was reaping better benefits from the existing socio-economic structure), until they die - which is a delusion basically.
Your mentality is typical slave mentality. Keep it for yourself. If you wanna be a pawn, be a pawn and turn your kids into puppets. I dont want to.
shareI bet "winners" and "warriors" and "overlords" in your RPG-fantasy-fueled vision of the world do not spend their time arguing with strangers over the internet, though.
Bonne chance to you anyway.
Last time I take a look into my profession, it didnt say anywhere that I am an overlord or a warrior. Keep the irony. Its the only thing you are capable of.
share@gatekeeper13
There is no thing such as a global movement that pushes the world and wheels of history.
You're completely wrong about that---the civil rights movement, the women's movement, and the environmental movement are good example of movements that went global over the years. The same things with the Occupied movement and more currently, the Black Lives Matter movement (which,apparently, is also going on in Britain and Australia because black Britons and Australian aboriginal people say that they are dealing with the same exact issues as black folk here in America are (police profiling, discrimination,systemic racism,etc.)
Liberals are so fond of propagandizing their nwo beliefs but if a right-wing criticizes that, SJWs pop-up from everywhere to shut your mouth.
Oh, give me a damn break again,for real. I see that its mostly right-wingers all over the IMDB boards and everywhere else on the net slamming the hell out of liberals, shoving their beliefs down everyone's throat and acting like there's something wrong with anyone who dosen't automatically agree with them and their right-wing bull****. The reality is, both liberals and conservatives are both Americans, and there is room for more than one view of anything in this country. Right wingers need to stop acting they are the only damn ones with all the answers for the problems in our country. We both need to talk TO each other, not just AT each other---that's been getting us absolutely nowhere.
And enough of that stupid "SJW" s***---that's just another term you crazy right wingers have twisted around to put down and silence anyone who dosen't bow down and kiss your crazy right-wing a****. I'm also tired of you right-wingers calling everything that you don't like or anything that questions YOUR beliefs "propaganda." Nobody died and made you right all the damn time. Not everyone who disagrees with you is evil or un-American or any of that bull****. You right wingers are so damn close-minded, you can't see out of anything that could possibly widen your narrow tunnel vision--it's sickening. You all sound like nothing but a bunch of screaming propagandists yourselves, bashing anybody that dosen't think exactly like you, and hollering about how the conservative view is the ONLY damn view or way anybody should think/have. Fck that---this country was made by everyone in it, not just the damn conservatives, so get the fck over yourself and yourselves,please.
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You've pegged it right.
Only the leftists of Hollywood would make a person who was a deserter, murderer, and adulterer into a "hero."
@Border_Ruffian
Will you silly right-wingers quit whining about leftists in Hollywood---there are conservatives in Hollywood too, who makes movies and TV shows. Look them up. I mean, damn, y'all act like only conservatives are supposed to exist anywhere in this country. There's enough damn room for both political persuasions, but you damn conservatives want to dominate every damn thing. I mean, s***--why the hell should you? Why the hell does you viewpoint have to dominate every damn thing? Fck that. And there have been MANY movies made in Hollywood where the main characters (as well as outside of it) were people who were even worse than the lead in this film---look at some of the ones, that are considered classics, like THE GODFATHER (about a family of mafia thugs) SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (a crazy murdering cannibal) and GONE GIRL (another psychopath as the lead character.) So don't act like you're never seen a character like that before in any film from anywhere.
anything that factually portrays the evil of what we did to blacks is lib propaganda.
shareI love the comment above that only Hollywood lefties would make a hero out of an adulterer. And the righties candidate is Donald Trump. You can't make these people up.
shareYeah, keep distorting the truth to pass your liberal rant. This is what Border_Ruffian said:
Only the leftists of Hollywood would make a person who was a deserter, murderer, and adulterer into a "hero."
I love the comment above that only Hollywood lefties would make a hero out of an adulterer.
The Confederates were traitors, so deserting their Army was the patriotic American thing to do. As for being a murderer, he killed Confederates. Traitors. So that just leaves adultery.
shareThe Confederates were INDEPENDENT people who wanted to keep their sovereingty and way of life and values when they saw that the North was trying to take them over. If that's treachery for you, then you are nothing more than a brainwashed libtard who cant think anything that the mainstream media didnt tell him to. Go vote for your zombie Hillary, SJW.
shareTheir sovereignty was not at issue until those states decided to secede in a fit of pique over the republicans winning the election. The part of their way of life that was being threatened was the right of some Southerners to keep other enslaved and the North was trying to maintain the integrity of a nation where states, the federal government and the people had certain enumerated rights. Taking up arms against the United States is the very definition of treason under the Constitution.
Now, the individual to whom you replied might be a Clinton supporter, or at least not a Trump fan, but do be aware that quite a few American conservatives share the view that the states did not have the right to break up the union and find that the reason they did so, the maintenance of slavery, to be as abhorrent as their fellow republicans did in 1860
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He was a deserter from the Confederate army. He was not part of the Union army. He shot Amos McLemore in the back.
Knight's claim of Unionism was just a convenient alibi. There were several Union raids in and near Jones County. Not once did Knight and his gang give aid to those Union raiders. After the war, they tried several times to get compensation for having been "Union soldiers." The US government denied their claim every time.
Facts? They have a few names right- "Newt Knight"..."Jones County"...etc -after that it's pig-in-a-poke.
shareNo. Hiding numerous historical events of Union war crimes against the Confederation or proving how hypocritic and unjust was the civil war the Northeners cause while at the same time presenting only the crimes commited by the Southerners is liberal propaganda. Fooling the people that the Civil War and the Union aggression against the Southerners happened in order to fight the southerner's racism and slavery and not in order to destroy the southern independence and force them into submission is liberal propaganda.
Also, the attempt from the mainstream media to hide the fact that there is almost double percentage of whites been killed by the police than that of the blacks is liberal propaganda.