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the job interview poppy does was a trap IMO


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'.......How on earth can you do so badly filing in a job application form that you end up in a mental hospital?? This was the reason given in the film and I half expected it to turn out that Poppy WAS mad after all, as it seems such a daft reason!........'

I belived that the writter wanted to sho the job interview question as a goverment trap to capture 'mad people ' in a 1984 way. thats what i think the sort of paranoid fantstys in the tale.

apart fomr that i think it was a good review


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I think the Job test was part of a goverment employment scheme.

It is not to far fetched an idea really. Most Job tests for big companies nowadays involve some form of psychological profiling. Then want to know if you are worth the investment.

So normally if you fail you don't get the job, in this case though the goverment killed 2 birds with one stone using the test to weed out undesirables for treatment.

The only problem with that is that we all have our off days. Then there are those of us who don't answer truthfully but try to give the answer that they think the questioner wants.

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How about you read the book?

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You see that's why this drama is so clever, we have to each come to the conclusion that the character's explanations can't be taken at face value- they are in a mental institution after all!

I realise it's so easy to forget this as the characters are all instantly likeable...but we must remember that their accounts are not necessary reliable. This only occured to me Poppy started complaining to N about how 'even her best mate' wouldn't give her any money to fight her case to prove her sanity, she was clearly mad to all who knew her.

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Poppy is completely "normal" - she does not suffer from any mental illness at the beginning. That is the whole point! The interview was not to catch mad people, and she did not fail any test. The government were looking for someone normal to send in, and they chose a single woman with only 2 GCSE's and who was it loads of debt so would not be able to afford a lawyer to get her out of there.

The whole program had 2 main points - that the British menatal health services leave a lot to be desired, and that if you are treated as if you are crazy and surrounded by crazy people you will eventually go mad. This was proven not only by the way Poppy's mental health declined, but also by the way N's health improved once she was befriended by someone who is actually sane.

I thought it was really well done. I loved the way N and Poppy basically turned into each other, even down to the tiny details such as the way N would speak but be ignored by Poppy in the beginning and later on it was N ignoring Poppy as she spoke.

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I agree with everything you said Mazzy27!!! When N first whent to Poppy's flat tho I did expect her daughter to turn out to be a rag dole or something crazy but when I saw that scene with her daughter I did realise she was telling the truth all along. Also you are spot on about the way N and Poppy 'swop' places, think thats what moved me the most.

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hmm. I thought that was the jist of it the first time I watched it - Poppy's argument that she has been brought in against her will seems plausible enough because, to all intents and purposes, she seems 'normal' to begin with.

but then I rewatched the whole thing, and changed my mind. its made pretty explicit that the group are day-patients, and as such are not compelled to attend meetings at all. they do so of their own volition, which is why so many of them are constantly concerned by the prospect of being discharged - they aren't 'crazy' enough to be sectioned, but they don't feel ready to be 'normal', so they cling on to their day-patient status to define and protect them.

in this context, Poppy's insistence that she's 'not mad' and that she shouldn't be there seems like classic crazy-talk. eventually some members of the group get better and are discharged (whether they are better or not, the fact that they are discharged has no real conspiracy connotations, but rather shows the sinister nature of budget-led NHS treatment), meanwhile others jump on Poppy's story and embellish it, turning it into a far-fetched conspiracy plot to 'get rid' of the lingering patients.

the conspiracy theory is most obviously disproven in the case of the 'viewing room', which is shown quite clearly to be fantasy.

also, the first time 'MAD money' is mentioned, there is a strong sense that the lawyer has realised he is dealing with a 'crazy' person (Poppy) and so invents a reason why he can't take her case (he can't really take her case because there is no case - Poppy is attending the clinic through her own choice, despite whatever she says to the contrary: we never see anyone forcing her to attend). apart from anything else, the phrase 'MAD money' is so insensitive, it couldn't possibly be a real scheme!

I think the real message of the film was that Poppy was 'mad' all along; while her influence on N is a stabilizing one, allowing N to finally support herself in the real world (in contrast with the pathetic efforts made by the practitioners at the clinic), N's influence on Poppy has the opposite effect - N teaches Poppy how to express her pain in self-destructive ways.

Poppy and N are people with the same condition, but who trade coping strategies. By the end, Poppy is no longer able to take care of herself, because she has learned how not to.

in short, I think you miss a lot if you take Poppy's version of her story for granted - remember N is the narrator, and for a good reason; she provides a neutral set of eyes for us to see Poppy through at the beginning, and if you look closely, you realise Poppy isn't as sane as she says she is!

anyway, there's no 'right' reading of the film, but I think its important you ask why Poppy keeps going back to the clinic - there's nothing making her go, besides her story.

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I think I agree with you bishely, however I do remember one scene early on where the black receptionist man (whom ends up in a proper uniform at the end)physically forcefully puts Poppy in the room, like ushers her in as if against her will...

This seems to contradict the views I've read of her NOT actually having to turn up all the time, because otherwise why would he so, almost violently, treat her this way if she was there voluntarily?

Or am I paying too much attention to something relatively insignificant?

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