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I am the only ex addict that thinks this show is stupid?


I've been blessed by having a family with enough money to provide me with top notch professional help. 7 times I might add. But I find, in my experience, that The Cleaner is complete nonsense. Drama yes, entertaining maybe, reality? Not even close.

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Justin

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Isn't it based on real stories?

Rachel

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Just because something doesn't gel with your experiences doesn't make it unrealistic. For example, I have a hard time believing that you would have to seek professional help 7 times in order to finally kick your habit, because from my experience it was much easier. Rachel is right, the show is based on a real guy doing a real ministry and as farfetched as it may seem (or far from your experience), it is reality to someone. Great show.

John

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you're right when you say that it is different for everyone...but you're wrong about being able to kick the habit being easy. It's the hardest thing i've ever had to do in my life, and everyday is a struggle.

I'm twenty years old, and I can relate to at least three of the episodes. Each experience is different. I started taking speed to help me pass my exams freshmen year, then I started taking it for the incredible feeling it gave me. When I couldn't get enough I escalated. I went from being top of my class to barely graduating. My grandmother put me through rehab 4 times. And as much as I wanted to quit for her, I couldn't. It wasn't until I met someone very much like William Banks that I realized that in order to quit you have to want it for yourself.

Everyday is a struggle, and everyday is a memory...and everyday I learn that i'm stronger than the day before.

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Good for you strawberiwine3089.

Cause it's just not cool to be a Nazi anymore baby. - Half Nelson

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people who haven't had to quit using drugs, either because they aren't the type to become addicted, or simply didn't get hooked can't understand someone who has. no judgement of addicts on my part, just dont think one can understand the other fully and vice versa. I do watch the show even though at times, it is frustrating to watch addictive behavior, even of william banks. good show I think. It is real, I think from the point of view of his wife not trusting him, all at once.

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What do you mean they're wrong about it being easy. They didn't say kicking a drug habit was easy for everyone, they said it was easy for them. The poster said it was easy in their experience with addiction.

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My grandmother put me through rehab 4 times.

I realized that in order to quit you have to want it for yourself.

I know this is years late and you're probably long gone, but I had to add this, at least for the benefit of others:

If you've been to rehab 4 times, but never heard that you have to want to quit yourself, then every single person you met in all those times you went utterly failed to do their job. This is rule #1 and should have been told to you the first minute of the first day you were in rehab.

Nobody involved in the rehab business benefits from not telling you that right away - except the people who benefit from return customers. That would never happen though, would it? Would professionals purposefully withhold fundamentally basic information to their patients' detriment and their own profits?

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Dude. You just contradicted yourself. You said because something doesn’t gel with your experience yadda yadda and then threw some serious doubt on whether it really could have taken 7 tries for treatment to take.

Given that there are many out there for who treatment NEVER takes, I don’t find seven tries at all unrealistic. Whoever stuck by somebody for seven tries deserves a medal.

In any case, this is a TV show. Drawn from reality or not, it still has to be manhandled into the format of entertainment, as life doesn’t generally come ready for commercial breaks and optimistic endings.

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That was the point, mate. I wasn't trying to discredit the original poster's testimony, just pointing out that if I had the same close mindedness about other people's experiences I wouldn't believe he had to seek treatment 7 time. Why are we still talking about this 3 years later? There are more important things, like the world economy going to piss.

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i was addicted to crack for a couple of years and i was committed to the state hospital for two months to recover. Im also a schizophrenic which doesnt help. anyway, i like his show. I cant say its reflected my personal experience, but mine was pretty unique so I dont expect it to.

www.multidementional.com

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, As you know being an addict yourself, everyone experience is diffrent. Now this is based on real experiences. You were probably taking to a facility, but what about those who don't think facilities can help. This could possibly be a road people take to have someone who is dedicated and know the point of view of the addict. He does take them to a facility so he is no pretending to help them kick their habits, he is just helping them get in the positon of help. I hope you stay clean addicts are hell on their families.

"I'll be your huckleberry"

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First I have to say that I believe that if you call yourself an "ex addict" and have been for help 7 times you might not yet have come to face the reality that you are an addict. As with the rest of us, you are always an addict, you may be a recovering one, but you are always an addict. Some people do find another addiction after recovering from the first but it still means you are an addict.

I have only seen the show once. I watched it for the first time tonight and wasn't sure what it was about so I looked it up. Sorry but I when I saw the subject line of this post I had to say something. I don't believe the show is trying to be "reality" but instead show that there are real stories of help out there. That an addict can be helped and with some 'involved' help and caring you can eventually beat it. Does the show display my experiences, no, but I needed some hard pushed help and that seems to be the core of the show. Will I watch the show regularly, I don't know, maybe if I don't have anything else but I don't think it is bad.

One notable difference between your help and the show's help seems to be yours is with money.

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I'm not an addict but my wife is a counselor and I was a counselor for a few years when I was young. Of course, everyone's experience is different. However, I agree that while you may be a recovering addict, there is no such thing as an ex-addict or ex-alcoholic or ex-gambler, etc. An addictive personality is something you have to control for the rest of your life.

This show is based on a true story, but that doesn't mean it's 100% true and accurate. It is a television series, and dramatic license is taken to make the stories more dramatic and theatrically enjoyable. Most of real life is drudgery and boredom, and a lot of it just isn't interesting or understandable to "outsiders." For instance, changes have to be made in the street jargon used on "The Cleaner" or most people wouldn't understand it.

I don't expect movies or TV to be exactly like real life, and I am willing to suspend disbelief for the sake of enjoying the show, just not to the point of outright lies, fantasy, or total impossibility. Of course, we all set the bar at our own level of comfort and acceptance.

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I was gonna state the same thing. When I saw the subject line. Your always recovering and never an ex-addict. Rememeber one day at a time and it doen;t matter if you've been sober for 10 days or 10 years if your sober for that day then your just as sober as the bperson of ten years. Also remmebr we are bodily diffrent from our fellow man. Cause addiction is based in the center of the brain that deals with survival, food, shelter, etc. It had lines the substance of addiction to be as important as breathing air or drinking water or getting warmth or eating.

I identify myself as an alcoholic for the sake of which program I work since i've bene drinking for 13 years 10 of which was a everyday basis no matter what but I also had my fair share or tweeking, coke as well as dabbling around with X, shrooms, and luckily for me pain killers aren;t my type of high taht I like and heroin has never intrested me.

Anyways I have my 109 days of sobriety and am working a 6 month outpatient rehab which involves men's group, 3 phases that deal with how addiction works in the boy setting up boundries, relapse prevention and so on and at least 1 required AA, NA, SA meeting as well as a requirement that you must have a sponsor and by the end of phase 2 which is the 4 month mark. Maybe you should have tried a county sponsored program. Mine costs $37 dollars for up to a years treatment since it's based on a sliding scale and at the time of admitance I was unemployeed.

I have also been blessed with parents that could afford any of the inpatient treatments but it;s also been pointed out that outpatient is even harder. Because you have to make the choice to stay sober and work the programs and continue to go to all the meetings every week...

All and all I can relate on many levels to this show and I do think it is quite good.

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I don't think this show is "reality" any more than Law & Order is....based on cases, sure. Maybe even pulled from the headlines, but the whole topic of addiction & recovery is soooooo complex, it's hard to put into an hour show. However, based on the feedback this show is eliciting, I think the writers/producers have hit on something. JMHO.

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What a load of cods wallop. What are you in AA or some stupid 12 step program. They may work okay for some people but they are not the be all and end all to dependancy.

It is like saying there is an addictive personality. Absolute rubbish. No proof to it. People have ust said it for a long time so it is believed. Without foundation. Some people may be vulnerable to substance abuse because of a particular time in their life but that's it.

If someone has stopped something and is not dependant on it physcially, emotionally or mentally then yes they are an "ex-addict"... Want to know why? Because they don't need it any more! Like when you break up with a partner it becomes an "ex partner". Your not still an addict to a substance after 7 or 10 years of giving up and not touching it or rarely using it.

AND something else... A person who tries to give up something seven times and then succeeds is actually the median runner. On average statistics say that it takes a "user" or a person dependant on most drugs 7 serious goes at kicking it before thye will succeed.



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And what planet are you from? Obviously you believe in the alternative "treatment" programs out there, that it's "only a state of mind" and all can alcoholics/addicts can return to sociably acceptable use of there poison of choice. Also, I don;t know where you get your statistics from, but 7 times is not median. If you really research you will find that 12 steps programs have a higher success rate then the alternative programs and they provide a better support base for the recovering alcoholic/addict, which is not provided by other programs. You don't cite your personal example which makes me wonder if you've been through any type of addiction at all or just deny that you have a problem all together.

Personally I've been a recovering alcoholic for 25 years, operative word recovering because you are always at risk of falling off the wagon. As to the program, I find it very well done as there individuals who intervene using the methods shown on the program. All done legally, but as shown on one episode, there are those "licensed/certified professionals" who disagree/dislike the methods demonstrated on the show, well the nicey-nice approach is not always effective and forced detox and rehab is the only way to help those that can't help themselves, it doesn't always work, but it can sometimes be an awakening to the individual that they have a problem and must deal with and do so with a clear, clean mind................

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no offense but your a *beep* moron, addictions a disease end of story so dont come on here with ur bs thinking you know more then people that have lived this

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I am a Recovering Addict (over 20 yrs) AND a Counselor AND an Interventionist (again over 20 yrs).

This show is BASED in reality and the BASELINE stories are taken from real life experiences of ADDICTION INTERVENTION. They are then ADAPTED for ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES.

There are as many potentials for addiction as there are activities in life one can conceive of doing. You'd be amazed at what folks can turn into addictions. Addiction/OCD is about escapism and it can eventually take on a seeming life force of its own.

The world of Interventionism is truly a small world, especially when it comes to the truly talented, whilst the world of addiction is veritably Global. Those capable of entering the most depraved situations, bring someone out and get them help are rather few. This requires special skills and knowledge's not provided in the typical educational environment.

As for the "Cods Wallop" remark of the above "xavmccrae" its apparent from your statistically analytical perspective that you have no firsthand experience with these matters. I suppose your expertise in the a fore mentioned matters of addiction is about as useful to an addict as your brilliant insights would be to a PTSD sufferer who has survived War Trauma or the likes. Yes another area I have considerable FIRSTHAND experience in.

I am certainly glad you weren't the one I found at the other end of the phone when I called for help. Hell 25 yrs ago I'd likely have killed you just for being such an intellectually arrogant self-centered idiot. Fortunately for us all there were people in A FEW of those "Stupid 12 Step Programs" who were there to help me to at least begin to transform from a monster who was a huge part of the problem to an expert who is at least half as much a part of the solution as I was a part of the problem.

Intellectual Analysis has never saved a single addict I've ever met and I've met thousands.

"You can be too intelligent! It's the seemingly stupid people who tend to keep it simple that tend to succeed in achieving true recovery!" a quote from my 1st Sponsor over 20 yrs ago.

Good Night and Good Luck

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Even though I'm not an ex-addict, nor am I an addict, I must say that I agree with the OP on the part that this show is a bit unrealistic. It is normal for people who have addictions to relapse. But it's still the first season, so everyone that went to rehab is probably still there.

Life is hard. After all, it kills you.
~Katharine Hepburn

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As a recovering heroin addict i have to say that some of this show is true to reality. They depict addicts quite well in the way that they behave when they are craving their drug of choice or finally hitting bottom, but the one thing it seems like is that every addict is hitting bottom every time. i understand that's why william banks is called but it's also important to delve into how they became addicts. sure they may talk about it sometimes, but they don't really go into how they got the way they did completely. i think that's just as important sometimes in a lesson to viewers as it is to watching how they're spiraling out of control and in need of serious help. at least they're honest about one thing and that's the relapse rate. i myself have been clean from heroin for eight months and by statistical standards at this point i should be dead. this show does give some hope and sometimes miracles do happen. it took five visits to different rehabs (one of which was a four month stay) and a near death experience to get my perspective to finally change and realize that the drugs were killing me and i had a lot more to live for than just a fix. at this point in the show i'd say that it's a good refresher for me to watch it and see how devastated as a human being i truly was. on the other hand there are times when it's so intense my parents have to leave the room because it brings back memories of how i used to be when i was severely addicted to drugs. the other night in the last episode a kid died from an overdose in his room and they brought him back and it brought my father to tears. six months ago that was me. dead in my room at the age of 24 from a heroin overdose and thank god they were able to bring me back, but the reality of the situation is that people don't always wake up. sometimes there is no bringing someone back from the hell on earth that addiction can cause. in the end the person was saved and went to rehab. like many, that does happen, but some are not so lucky. this show is actually pretty close to reality. do i think it's a little cheesy? sometimes, but i think it's a good lesson to parents who are worried about their children, or young adults experimenting with drugs that think they are the solution to life's problems. they don't. they're fatal, and there's never a good reason to go down that road. trust me i know.

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You don't have to be an ex-addict to think this show is stupid. Kudos to you though OP for recovering enough from your addiction to actually be able to see through this show. It seems to me that most of the positive comments are being made by people who still see through the cloud of addiction, and think that this over-stylized piece of crap is worth watching.

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People, addicts, non-addicts and liars alike: It's HOLLYWOOD. It's not Intervention, it's not a documentary. A Hollywood script is written to bait as many people in its net as possible. If it were too real, people who never did a drug would think it was sensatitonal, if it were only about a hot guy saving other hot people from the evils of smoking cannabis, those of us who have done drugs would think it was ridiculous. So it reaches for the middle ground. I watch Intervention for reality and Cleaner for a little dirty drama.

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neomatrix777 - good luck to you.

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This may surprise you Justin, but your personal experience of the matter isn't the be-all and end-all of possible experiences.

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