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Questions to all plastic paddies

posted 16 years ago by mainboardmoderator
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Since you go all misty eyed over 'the auld country' as you drink your 'green' guinness on paddy's day :

1) How many of you have ever even bothered to visit the place never mind join the struggle ?

2) How many of you realise that Sinn Fein wanted to create a united Ireland on a socialist model ? - And how do you square that with the hatred almost all americans have for socialism ? After all if it's good enough for them then it's good enough for you, right ?

3) If bombing and shooting your way to your aims is justifiable then presumably the few REAL Americans ie those few left from the millions you slaughtered would have just cause to plant bombs in Boston, Chicago, and NYC ? To reclaim lands you stole.

4) The Saudis who crashed planes into the Twin Towers don't want 100,000 US troops in their country 'protecting' an undemocratic king - were they right ?

Seems like a few people here need to read a bit before spouting on subjects of which they have no understanding.

[–] dmc102 16 years ago

I'd imagine most Irish Americans who support the IRA pick and choose their history - and don't forget the amount of innocent souls the American military has left in its wake, never mind the British Army and the IRA.

[–] gaelforce10 15 years ago

"How many of you realise that Sinn Fein wanted to create a united Ireland on a socialist model ? "

Oh please, Sinn Fein are a marxist-leninist organisation, who want a socialist model based on their principles.

[–] Corner_House_guest 15 years ago

Is there a large enough proletariat in Ireland to build socialism on a marxist model? Surely a peasant based socialism eg Narodniks or the Brehon laws would be more suitable to the existing conditions?

[–] benedictcumberbatch-87693 8 years ago

Gerry Adams brother Liam is a pedophile, he abused children including his own daughter

Paudie McGahon was sexually abused by the IRA
he was threatened if you tell anyone about this they'll find your body at the side of the road

Mairia Cahill was sexually abused by an IRA member
Before the abuse started he went out of his way to show her he has access to guns, he thought he could scare her into silence

Sinn Fein denied and deflected this part of IRA history until it couldn't be done any longer

They have gone down that Vatican road

Please see through the IRA and Sinn Fein

[–] Sid-Blitzen 15 years ago

I'd say their socialism is but a thin veneer overlaying good old-fashioned nationalism. In the event of these guys ever ruling Ireland, don't expect a nice, Sweden-like socialist place.

[–] Corner_House_guest 15 years ago

Sweden can afford social democratic programmes because it has only 8 million and a huge lump of iron ore underneath them.

[–] Nearvana 14 years ago

finish your train of thought, & realize the more people you have paying into the system, allows it to continue to work. not everyone, not even a majority, will exploit such a system. maybe some spoiled entitled americans would, however.

serva me, serva bote

[–] gaelforce10 15 years ago

Thank you, I remember a Sinn Fein member saying once "If that lot down there(meaning the Dublin Government)think that we will accept the status quo once we get in (into Government)they have another thing coming" Which is basically a euphemism for "Once we kick out the brits we'll set about changing the political structure to suit us" Based on thuggery & intimidation, no doubt!

[–] annathedub 15 years ago

' If bombing and shooting your way to your aims is justifiable...'

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The French Resistance bombed and shot their way (as much as possible) to achieve their aims whilst under occupation by the Germans, as did the Dutch, Yugoslavs and Belgians. Before you scream out 'that is different, they were fighting Nazis etc', consider the fact for a moment that Britain invaded and occupied Ireland for centuries, supplanting the local population with whole communities moved over from England and Scotland, partitioned the country, making a little state in the north east of the island with a rigged majority, and then left that majority to rule as they pleased over their neighbours for 50 years. Check out NI's history from 1920 until the break out of the Troubles, and thank God you were not a catholic living in that area during that time. And then ask if the Catholic population were not justified in trying to gain their freedom. It may be a cliche but it is true, one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

[–] Sid-Blitzen 15 years ago

"The French Resistance bombed and shot their way (as much as possible) to achieve their aims whilst under occupation by the Germans, as did the Dutch, Yugoslavs and Belgians"

The French Resistance didn't do much shooting or bombing until 1944, when it was relatively safe to do so. The Dutch and Belgians were more likely to be in the Waffen SS than in the resistance. However, the Yugoslavs did indeed offer serious resistance to the Nazis.

"Before you scream out 'that is different, they were fighting Nazis etc', consider the fact for a moment that Britain invaded and occupied Ireland for centuries"

Badly behaved though the Brits could be on occasion, they'd have to be a darn sight worse before achieving Nazi standards.

The Nazis - who would be our yardstick of awfulness if we didn't have them?

[–] annathedub 15 years ago

'Badly behaved though the Brits could be on occasion, they'd have to be a darn sight worse before achieving Nazi standards.'

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Oh indeed, the Nazis were an abomination probably worse than any other throughout history. That being said, the actions of Britain in the occupation of Ireland were truly shameful at times, especially in the 18th and 19th centuries. Which was then followed with a total mess made of Irish independence and the forcible partition of the country. Memories in Ireland are long. After all we were occupied for over 700 years. Don't get me wrong, I am no apologist for the IRA or any of the Republican paramilitaries, but I do get sick and tired of hearing Irish Nationalism being slated (especially by British people, many of who have never even been to Ireland), whilst Unionism gets an easy ride, and its extremist element and their atrocities (which were just as vicious as the IRA) are often overlooked.

[–] Corner_House_guest 15 years ago

So if Britain was invaded and occupied, people would just shrug and say they are not as bad as the Nazis? We cant support terrorism?

Since when did Britain become so accepting?

[–] epa101 15 years ago

I think this is a good post except for point 4. The 11th September attackers were not fighting for democracy. They mightn't have liked King Abdullah, but that doesn't make them democrats; they probably wanted a global caliphate of Islam. At least the IRA confined their demands to Ireland. They're still bad people but they were hardly capable of changing the march of history.

[–] joe-patrician 15 years ago

Your post seems really aggressive, but I agree most Irish-Americans have little understanding of the conflict
1) Yeah I haven't visited Ireland but I mean to when I can afford it. Mind you I'm 16 so I have time. As for joining the struggle, I'd like to help as much as I can with the peaceful struggle, but the armed struggle lost most of its justification as soon as it moved from the defensive mindset of the early seventies to the bombing campaigns that it's most known for.
2) Just by the way, you're clearly irritated by Americans with no experience or knowledge of the conflict, but then you say that almost all Americans hate socialism, that's not true in the slightest, there are quite a few Americans who understand the principles of socialism and approve of them. I understand very clearly that Sinn Fein from it's founding in 1905 has pushed for a 32 County Irish Socialist Republic, I believe that its even somewhere in the Easter Proclamation. I'm a socialist, even though it's not always good to broadcast that here, but yes I do realize Sinn Fein's plan for a United Ireland on a socialist model and i support it.
3&4) Dear god, why does everyone on these message boards have to refer to Native Americans and the Middle East when they're arguing against Americans. You have to understand that in a country of 300 million people, a vast amount of them are against mid-East involvement, and the bush admin had an approval rating of something absurd like 20% at in 2008. Also we're talking about Northern Ireland, why bring the middle east into it?

PS for three I'm against the armed stuggle, even though I think 'real americans' have less justification than Irish Nationalists

[–] socdublin 15 years ago

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