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Frankly, I want more films on our history


I'd love to see a movie about some of the best prime ministers we ever had (Trudeau, Pearson) and maybe a few about the worst (Mulroney, Harper (lol), Diefenbaker)

But there are a hundred other well known people that could use movies (Tommy Douglas, The Crew Cuts, Gordon Lightfoot, Chief Dan George, Lucy Montgomery, The Group of Seven, the Famous Five, Robertson Davies, Louis Riel, Romeo Dallaire, Sam Steele, Alexander G. Bell, etc) Too many to list.

Plus we have our own dark pages of history that could use some light shed upon them (The Treaties, Ottowa Trek, Reservation schools, Pacific Scandal, Japanese internment, FLQ, etc)

Not to mention our many accomplishments (Suez Crisis, Avro Arrow, Vimy Ridge, Ypres, Liberation of the Netherlands, The War of 1812, Confederation, The Canadian Pacific Railroad, Defeating the Referendum).

Really there is so much to work with. I'd personally love to see movies about our history.

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There are two movies about Romeo Dallaire and a made-for-tv about the Avro Arrow, but movies about most of the Prime Ministers or Gordon Lightfoot would barely attract anyone.

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and it's a damn shame that Canadians would rather see some ridiculously overbudgeted American film rather than our own films that tell our own country's history


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I'm not sure that's true, it's just that American films are flying at us at record speeds (and crappiness) and there aren't enough GOOD Canadian films being made on a regular basis. I wish it were otherwise, I really do, but that's just how it is.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_cringe#Canada

I believe that part of our problem is that we suffer from something called cultural cringe


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Damn, we got the cringe!

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i would love to see a Canadian version of Band of brothers or saving private ryan.




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Hey, I'd SO go to a movie about Gordon Lightfoot. :D

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I remember watching that Avro Arrow film in junior high. I actually really enjoyed it, which is surprising because back then I wasn't interested in learning much. I miss it. I'd like to pick up a copy. :o

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2 of the 3 scripts I am working on have to do with our history.

Unlike 'Passchendale" however,the most commercial of the 2 will appeal to a broader audience than Passchendale.

I was thinking of trying to avoid the same pitfalls Paul Gross encountered by not limiting the commercial one to a specific battle,regiment or even country.But a Canadian audience will definitely make the connection.

IF it gets made, the second one will have more Can-Con but still be a universal story ( Think "The Searchers" )with plenty of Canadian historical references.
This push for CanCon may be great for a tax credit,but if American audiences don't want to see it or distribution is limited to Canada,you better make sure the budget is less than the projected Gross Box office or you may not get another chance.

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Hooray, Canadian movies are finally getting made! And good ones at that.

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I would like to see an HBO style series on Arthur Currie's men, Vimy Ridge included.. A Canadian movie about the Italian campaign, especially the Gothic Line and Ortona; it would be cool to see the use of "mouse holing" in a movie. Finally, perhaps most importantly, I would like to see a movie done on the Dieppe raid. True sacrifice was done there and not a lot of people remember it as a significant WW2 operation, victory or defeat.

"I am quite sure that the battle of Normandy was won on the beaches of Dieppe"

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there is a movie on the dieppe raid.

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What's it called?

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"I'd love to see a movie about some of the best prime ministers we ever had (Trudeau, Pearson) and maybe a few about the worst (Mulroney, Harper (lol), Diefenbaker) "

Gee I wonder what your political stripes are?

What is your CBC employee number?

The CBC has already made 50 movies about their beloved idol and god, Pierre "raving idiot" Trudeau.

Mulroney was the best PM in Canadian history, Harper is the second best.

You may not be aware that Brian Mulroney led the charge against apartheid in South Africa. He alone pushed for sanctions over the objections of Reagan and Thatcher.

Mulroney's free trade policies have clearly proven beneficial to Canada and so has the GST, which was responsible for Canada being able to achieve a balanced budget.

If the GST was not available to Paul Martin, he never could have got Canada out of deficit.

Compare this to the Fiberal Party of Canada. They said they would kill free trade and the GST if elected, they didn't do either. In two election campaigns they promised a universal child care program, they never delivered any thing. More lies.

To top it all off they stole millions from the tax payer and handed it off to their cronies running ad firms in Quebec. Probably the biggest gov't scandal in Canadian history.

I'll tell you what here's a great movie about Canadian history that should be made, it's called "Stealing Canada: The True Story Of How The Liberals Stole Millions and Got Away With It."

It should be ready for the next federal election expected in two years where Stephen Harper will squash Knob Rae like a bug.

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Mulroney was the best PM in Canadian history, Harper is the second best.

How so?

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Mulroney was the best PM in Canadian history, Harper is the second best.
Obviously most of Canada doesn't share your feelings for Mulroney since his government was torn to shreds after and left the Liberals to rule for 15 years.

Harper will squash Knob Rae like a bug in 2 years
That's if the minority even lasts 2 years.

This guy is a total dreamer. Its strange to see such nonsense come from a conservative.

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Psst - you replied to me and not to erod1970. He won't be notified of your post unless you delete this one and repost it in reply to his. :)

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Mulroney was the best PM in Canadian history, Harper is the second best.
Obviously most of Canada doesn't share your feelings for Mulroney since his government was torn to shreds after and left the Liberals to rule for 15 years.


About twelve years and three months after back-to-back PC majorities.

Harper will squash Knob Rae like a bug in 2 years
That's if the minority even lasts 2 years.


It's lasted about four years and nine months at the time I wrote this.

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Dude, there are already tons of movies on those people which have all been shown on CBC. Try looking for them instead of whining.

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A decently funded, non-CBC biopic or mini-series (HBO Canada?) on Louis Riel could have some excellent potential. I am a supporter of the CBC, and even I will admit that their TV productions are, for the most part, not very good. "The Englishman's Boy" was completely butchered.

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I'd love to see something like that done about Louis Riel.

A few months ago I saw a comic book about the history of Louis Riel. It looked good and it was cheap; I should have picked up a copy. :B

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I actually just finished reading that and it was excellent. A mini-series based on that comic would be perfect.

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I really want to read it now! :D

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I would also like to see more dramatic film (not documentaries) involving Canadian historical events, as long as they remain true to the history of the events. Passchendaele proves that you can make a good film with a story involving Canadian history. I haven't read complaints about it's accuracy, so I'm assuming that the portrayal of the war and the times was accurate.

I agree that war of 1812 would be interesting. The Battle of York followed by the Burning of Washington would make a stirring film. Hull's invasion of Upper Canada and subsequent Surrender of Detroit would also make a good story.

I look forward to more films dealing with our past. We do have one, and it's worth telling. We don't even know what we're missing. I'm sure the list above, while more than I could come up with myself, is probably a drop in the bucket.

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We really missed the boat a few times.

Last July (2008), Quebec City celebrated its 400th anniversary. What better way to celebrate it than a film about Samuel de Champlain?


This coming Sunday (Sept 13, 2009) will be the 250th anniversary of the Battle of the Plains of Abraham! What a GREAT topic for a film! It could have been made to show the perspectives of the invading British AND the defending French!


So many missed opportunities!!!

FYI: I own "Passchendaele", "Trudeau", and on the documentary end--Canada: A People's History. Somewhere on cassette I have "The Arrow". I would like it on DVD, as well as the film "Dieppe"


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I'd like to see something simple, small scale and simple. Maybe about a group of soldiers experiencing what it was like in Ortona, Falaise or the Scheldt. No attempt at big budget effects, no underlining "The battle that defined a nation" theme. No 'effin romantic sub plot! Just a group of Canadians trying to get the job done. I've known a lot of WW2 veterans in all branches of the forces and that always seemed to be the attitude with them, they went to do a job.

I find sometimes that there is a distinct difference when I watch a documentry where an American veteran is relating his war experience compared to his Canadian counterpart. The American will say something like "We knew that if we couldn't take the village, the Germans would've been able to counter attack and might very well have changed the tide of the war". The Canadian will say something like "They told us to take the village. So we did".

Let's leave the swelling orchestral music and Michael Bay CG for the American film industry and Let's go for something more gritty and real.

Good script, acting, set design and costumes are all you need, and the best part is, you can present a budget that won't make an investor gag. The key though is to do it right. Hire all the Genie award winners you can find then fire them and get some real talent to make this film.

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We don't necessarily need more films about Canadian history as much as we need better films about Canadian history. Somebody on this thread lamented that most Canadians will pay to see American movies before they pay to see a Canadian movie (I'm paraphrasing). That's absolutely true. It's a little something called "supply and demand." If you build a better mousetrap, people will buy it.

I went to the multiplex today - a Canadian multiplex, in Kitchener, Ontario - that was showing ALL Hollywood movies. I saw a pretty damn mediocre one called The Men Who Stare at Goats. As lame as it was, it was at least sort of entertaining. I really do believe that Canadian movies and TV shows could learn a thing or two from Hollywood about how to entertain audiences. My problem with Passchendaele is that it seemed like a two-hour (well, almost two hour - really, 114 minutes) "Heritage Minutes." It did have amazing battle scenes, but that screenplay seriously could've used a decent script doctor. And there were so many scenes where Paul Gross stuck in explanatory dialogue (i.e., dialogue where people are explaining history and events to each other) that just sounded so damn artificial. Hollywood sometimes makes the same mistake, but it can afford to make those mistakes occasionally because its output is so much greater. But when Hollywood gets it right, it knocks people's socks off - even here in Canada.

I would've liked Passchendaele much better without the tedious historical references woven into the dialogue. Just tell a damn good story about young men going off to war, the women who love them, and the pathos and tragedy of it all, without all the "Heritage Minutes" stuff. Then you'll start to see more Canadians paying to see Canadian films at the multiplexes, instead of plunking down all their hard-earned money to support Hollywood.

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I'm glad you noted the battle scenes. I'd almost go so far as to put them on par with "Saving Private Ryan". If only Paul Gross had kept that amazing talent in the first hour of his film, which should have been (in my humble opinion) either reduced to twenty or thirty minutes, OR told in small multiple flashbacks. Either way, the characters needed better dialogue.

But the fact that Paul Gross even made this is a triumphant step forward.

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The battle scenes were awesome. The attention to detail was great I also like the fact that many of extras were Canadian soldiers. I found the movie better on the second viewing since I now knew it wasn't a pure battlefield story.
We Canadians do need to feel more pride in our history and demand better films about our history and just better films in general. I get so tired of watching Canadian movies that have no ending to speak of.
I am seeing an improvement in Canadian produced shows like Being Erica and the new Republic of Doyle. I think that has something to do with the large number of American shows being filmed in Canada it seems to helped with production values.

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Agreed. Here's some I'd like to see:

1. The War of 1812.
2. Vimey Ridge.
3. Rebellions of 1837 and Robert Baldwin and Louis-Hippolyte Lafontaine fight for responsible government. This is probably the most underrated story in Canadian history.
4. John A. Macdonald. Very interesting character.
5. Louis Riel.

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We need to see:

1. Battle of the Plains of Abraham in a good movie. Russell Crow as James Wolfe.
2. War of 1812, Queenston Heights perhaps. Russell Crowe as Isaac Brock.
3. Battle of Vimy Ridge. Why hasn't this been done yet?
4. Movie about Private Leo Major, easily the greatest Canadian action hero ever. Liberated a town by himself and singlehandely captured 100 Germans? Yes please. Russell Crowe as Major.
5. Battle of Ortona. They could use the little Stalingrad quote in advertising and people will go see it.

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