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So Canadians think they won the world war, eh?


Well I believe you contributed highly in the passchendaele theater but the whole war? I don't think so. I believe the country that contributed the most against the germans was probably the french army. Why? Well they were on the brink of being wiped out, if they didn't defeat the germans at verdun. And of course this movie ignores British, Australian, and French contributions to the war effort.


What would of happened if France lost the battle? I think the war would of been a completely different outcome.

And also we have battles where the canadians didn't contribute such as the battle of the marne where they succesfully prevented paris being invaded, if they lost then the war might of been a different outcome. (by outcome I mean more casaultys, longer war etc).

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Well we can't be everywhere at once man. But all in all Canadians were the strongest troops on the Western front. Strong presence at Passchendaele, Vimy Ridge, etc. we did a lot.

And I would not give any credit to the French. They almost lost Verdun and they were bled white all the same, as Falkenhayn intended. The only thing taking Verdun would have did would be destroying French morale which it pretty much did. In fact the French were basically out of the war after the Nivelle Offensive.

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The Canadians and ANZACs are generally regarded as being the most effective fighting units on the Allied side during the First World War. To go further, the New Zealanders in particular were extremely highly regarded and arguably more so than either the Canadians or Australians. Man for man, the original British Expeditionary Force was probably a better force than any of the others. However it had been mostly wiped out by 1915.


Also to the above poster, the French actually deserve a hell of alot of credit. Falkenhayn may have intended the French to be bled white at Verdun but he hadnt counted on his own forces suffering the same fate. Nonsense to say that the French were out of the war by 1917. Whilst it could be said that more of the burden fell onto the British after the Nivelle offensive had failed, by 1918 the French had recovered and it was French reinforcements that helped stem the breakthroughs of the German Spring Offensives. They also played their part in the final offensives.

As far as casualties are concerned, French losses are staggering.

Canada lost 65,000 men in WW1 whilst the French lost no fewer than 1.5 million.

Try to take this into account when you are handing out credit.

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We Canadians had a huge role in most of the major battles of the First World War. In fact, I think that most of the British soldiers who fought at the battle of Vimy Ridge were Canadian (Canada was still oonsidered part of the British Empire and thus fought in their army).

For that matter, I think I heard a story once about an important German figure (I don't remember who) who quickly hid in his bed for several weeks after hearing the Canadian army was approaching Germany.

If Clint Eastwood and Chuck Norris got into a fight, Clint Eastwood would probably win.

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You're welcome.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ Why does Canada need a queen?

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Wow Rick Mercer just lost all respect from me.

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What are you talking about?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ Why does Canada need a queen?

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Your signature. Ugh. I can't believe he doesn't support our Queen.

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I can't believe some people still want to live in the 19th century. Canada should prove itself as a sovereign country and become a republic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ Why does Canada need a queen?

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You are joking right? We are a sovereign country. It is far better than a republic. Could you imagine if Stephen Harper was president of Canada? Ugh.

The Queen has her position as head of state. While constitutionally unlikely, she still has the power to veto any law and appoint prime ministers. The governor general even did it in Australia in the 90s. And like the senators, the queen acts as a sober afterthought like John A. Macdonald said. This means, while normal MPs are corrupted and their decisions influenced by elections (for example most PMs focusing on Ontario and Quebec problems since they have the most voters) the senator does not have to worry about that stuff and can truly decide whatever he wants. The House of Commons is very unconstitutional in that regard. As you know also, individual MPs have to agree with the party leader or be kicked out, they have no individual minds. So if you vote for your local Conservative MP, you are practically voting directly for Stephen Harper. Senators cannot be kicked out so they are not biased in this regard.

Also, our constitutional monarchy is more democratic than a US style republic. In the US, once the President is elected, he is stuck there for four years, whether the people like it or not. In Canada, an election is called the second the PM loses confidence, like what is happening now.

Finally, the history man. Canada has such a great and colorful history. With James Wolfe defeating the French at the Plains of Abraham, Sir Isaac Brock defending Canada from the American invaders at Queenston Heights, and us Canadians fighting side-by-side with our British blood brothers at Paschendaele. Britain and Canada have always been brothers, and always united under a single crown with such historically colourful kings like George III and Victoria. Do you really want to throw all that away? Also, we wouldn't be able to put royal in front of our boat names anymore.

Oh also, so people talk about tax dollars being paid to the queen. A very small amount goes to Governor General. All of the bill for the Queen is paid by the British so money isn't really an issue. The President of the United States gets a huge load of money from American tax payers, even surpassing the Queen.

Please give my post some consideration before you respond. Long Live Canada! Long Live the British Commonwealth! God Save the Queen!

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I might take you seriously, if you didn't contract yourself. To say that Canada is a sovereign country then to say that our head of state is the head of a foreign monarchy is just incomprehensibly stupid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GZIDnMzZQ Why does Canada need a queen?

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What? That doesn't make any sense. Queen Elizabeth has the former title of Queen of Canada, along with Queen of Britain and Australia and all the other Commonwealth nations. If you are going to say Canada isn't sovereign because our queen is the British Queen, then you might as well say that Great Britain isn't sovereign because their queen is the Canadian Queen.

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the queen is head of state of canada in her own right, regardless of her status in the UK, austrailia, new zealand etc. the UK has held no power at all in canada since the statute of westminster was passed giving the dominions full control over their foreign affairs.

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Why should we throw away over four centuries of our history and heritage? The monarchy has been an integral part of Canada since Cabot. It was loyalty to the Crown that caused Canada to exist in its present form and to resist being taken over as another US state. Do recall that we fought the Great War, the Second World War, and Korea as proud soldiers of George V, George VI, and Elizabeth II.

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A republic? Oh because we know how well that's going south of the border. Seriously, I'm not Anti-American. Joe Average American is exactly the same as Joe Average Canadian for all intents and purposes. But the whole "republic" that you speak so highly of has devolved into nothing more than highschool bickering and lack of accountability that has their entire political system at the edge of self destruction or at the very least rendered it ineffectual.

I'll keep the system the way we have it. As flawed as it is.

"Absorb what is useful, Discard what is not, Add what is uniquely your own" -- Bruce Lee

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As a Canadian I am thankful to have a Governor General and a Royal Queen to keep Stephan Harper in his place!


I think we can all agree that stupidity does not further the cause of mankind.

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I don't think you will ever hear a Canadian say that we won the war entirely by ourselves we aren't like that. Canadians just want their contributions recognized internationally for once. We were highly regarded during the war as a formidable force. Why can't we proud of it? We were highly successful and played a large roll in many important battles. Of course this movie ignores the British, Australian, and French contributions to the war effort because it is specifically about the CANADIAN war effort. This is the one and only war movie that is about our contributions, give it a rest. Every country you listed has its own movies about the war in which they ignore the contributions of others why? Because the movie is about THEIR contributions! Why is that so hard to understand?

Its something you'll get used to a mental mind *beep* can be nice!

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I don't ever recall hearing a Canadian say they were the ones that won WWI...though there sure are a heckuva lot of Americans who seem to think they won WWII while everyone else just stood around.

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The Russians won WWII.

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Probably more accurate to say that the Russians sacrificed the most to win WWII. Regardless, this movie was about the First World War.

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The exact figures escape me at the moment, but I think in WWII it was somewhere in the region of 8 million Russian dead (not counting wounded, missing etc) while the Allies, among themselves, lost around 1 million dead. Those are just military casualties and don't include civilians.

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No, the US didn't win WWII by themselves, the Soviets also played a large role, but without the US, the Allies very likely would have lost, or it would have been a draw, at best. And if you think the only contribution to the effort was the armed services, think again. Money, materials and machines are what won WWII, and the US contributed the most and that's what allowed the Allies to hang on until the men of the US turned the tide.

This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.

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You are a moron.

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\ Not sure who that was directed at.

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The original post, who started right off the bat by making idiotic statements.

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I'm Canadian. When have we ever claimed to have won World War One singlehandedly?

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JimHutton (1934-79) & ElleryQueen

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Never, as far as I've ever known. However the Americans definitely seem to think that they won both world wars, and that the Brits, Canadians, French, etc. were all just secondary players.
"You'd all be speaking German if we didn't save your ass in WW2"...typical.

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We Canadians just did what we could during the two wars.

Are you Canadian, too? I'm a proud Canadian, living in Alberta.

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JimHutton (1934-79) & ElleryQueen

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