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Scientists discover that atheists might not exist


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This assumption is somewhat lawed:


“atheism is psychologically impossible because of the way humans think,”


This is obviously wrong - atheists do exist, ergo it cannot be impossible.

“They point to studies showing, for example, that even people who claim to be committed atheists tacitly hold religious beliefs, such as the existence of an immortal soul.”


Belief in 'an immortal soul' does not require a god - there are people who believe that consciousness continues or even reincarnation - to them it is simply the idea that, like energy, consciousness cannot be destroyed but it doesn't require a god.

Atheism is: the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.

Atheism, (even if viewed as a religion) does not require a deity. Nor do some other religions - there are Christian Atheists, for example, who believe in the philosophies and ideals of the teachings of Christ but without the need for a deity. There are those who support the idea that humans were created by aliens (not gods) and so on.


This shouldn’t come as a surprise, since we are born believers, not atheists, scientists say.


There is nothing to suggest this is true. To be a believer you have to have something to actually believe in. That comes from being exposed to ideas of religion and gods, which is why belief systems vary wildly.



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Even if you got rid of the belief in Christ as the Messiah. The void will only be filled with something like Islam or New Age beliefs.

Just look at Europe which has seen an explosion of Islam and New Age belief systems.

Not sure what you are doing slave. Mankind will always choose to believe in the supernatural. Heck even many athiests believe in the supernatural on this board, Expelled, Passion, Noah, etc.

I posted an article of a study that concluded that religion was inborn:

http://christiannews.net/2014/07/15/do-atheists-not-actually-exist-scientists-say-all-people-innately-believe-in-god/

And aren't you yourself open to advanced aliens visiting this planet? See you want to believe in higher beings than yourself also.

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And aren't you yourself open to advanced aliens visiting this planet? See you want to believe in higher beings than yourself also.

What makes you think advanced aliens are "higher beings"? If they prove to exist I might respect their greater knowledge, even their greater intelligence, but in no way would I think of them as "higher beings".

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Even if you got rid of the belief in Christ as the Messiah. The void will only be filled with something like Islam or New Age beliefs.


Atheism is a non-belief in a deity. What part of this don't you get?


Just look at Europe which has seen an explosion of Islam and New Age belief systems


Really? I think you'll find you're talking out of your ass. Pagan religions, New Age religions, Islam feature deities...atheism does not.



And aren't you yourself open to advanced aliens visiting this planet?


Even if I were (and I'm not) alien beings aren't deities either.

How hard is it for you to understand this basic concept?


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We are proof of that. Well, maybe not YOU, but the rest of us are proof of that.


Hitting the nail on the head! 

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Goethe

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Even if you got rid of the belief in Christ as the Messiah. The void will only be filled with something like Islam or New Age beliefs. Nonsense. I am an atheist and I have no beliefs in the supernatural - or anything else without objective, testable evidence.

Not sure what you are doing slave. Mankind will always choose to believe in the supernatural. Heck even many athiests believe in the supernatural on this board, Expelled, Passion, Noah, etc. More lies.
I posted an article of a study that concluded that religion was inborn:

http://christiannews.net/2014/07/15/do-atheists-not-actually-exist-scientists-say-all-people-innately-believe-in-god/ Find us an impartial source and try again.


Right a scientific study is not impartial...its just a Christian website...

Religious beliefs have been around since before recorded history. It WILL NEVER DISAPPEAR OR LOSE TO ATHEISM.

Athiesm in due time will be proven to be a false view anyhow.



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Right a scientific study is not impartial...its just a Christian website...


A Christian website with a BIAS, numbskull. Science IS impartial, dumbo, that's why you have RELIGIOUS scientists.


Religious beliefs have been around since before recorded history.


Utter rubbish of course, with nothing to substantiate it. As you say "before recorded history". You really set yourself up for this ridicule, don't you.


Athiesm in due time will be proven to be a false view anyhow.


Since atheism exists it can hardly un-exist, moron.

Yoiu've been off the meds far too long....


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Right a scientific study is not impartial...its just a Christian website... It's not a scientific study, and I've already provided a link to the actual science that debunks it.


Sure...is this like the time when you stated television and the print do not affect a person's beliefs?

How would you know if it's "before recorded history"? You're not very bright, Darkon.


Cave paintings?

Well, until that proof is provided, it is indeed a far more valid view than your silly, childish mythology.


Even if Christianity was gone other faith systems will take its place. We can see the trend in Europe. Islam's converts are rising in many nations. Likewise so is the New Age movements/New Age beliefs.

Mankind on their own try to escape their slavery. But of course that does not work. Your athiesm is only a minority overall in mortal mankind's history.

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Cave paintings?


Tell us very little and are not records of history.

Even if Christianity was gone other faith systems will take its place. We can see the trend in Europe. Islam's converts are rising in many nations. Likewise so is the New Age movements/New Age beliefs.


So? Atheism is growing too. There have been hundred and hundreds of religions. They are passing trends and merely show that your ideas are just trends. `You believe in a god, the romans belived in a completely different bunch of gods, the Vikings believed in a different pantheon and so on. Atheism doesn't change - No god required - so do you even know what you're talking about? Atheism doesn't require a deity, therefore no dogma and because it requires no god, it continues where religions die. Strange how you're ignoring this little FACT.

Your athiesm is only a minority overall in mortal mankind's history.


Atheism is likely older than your religion.

You're talking gibberish. If I were you I'd get the doctor to increas your meds.



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Your athiesm is only a minority overall in mortal mankind's history.


It's rising faster than your mythology.


Tis the downside of having a large religion. Eventually it peaks and starts a decline. Course this is all natural eb and flow, though it doesn't help that people are more informed and becoming less likely to believe in outlandish religions now that they have access to all the knowledge they could want.

Let's face it, Dorkon needs to lie and BS to keep his religion on par with current knowledge and reality. If this is the case his religion can't really be the be all endorsed by god it claims to be.

What's even better is when something comes along that man discovers, Dorkon's religion spins like crazy to make it look like they knew the whole time, and when that discovery turns out to be error or negative, suddenly his religion respins to discount it having anything to do with it. Imagine if Hitler hadn't ever existed till now and he ran for president. All his ideals save a very small few fall along the conservative party lines and Dorkon would likely vote for him hands down. He'd brag about it, he'd spam the bejesus out of Hitler like he does already with current politicians. Then when things turned bad, it'd take a bit, but eventually Dorkon would denounce his vote and erase all mention of it as best he could so he could lie that he never voted for Hitler and thought he was the worst electorate ever.
But, this is Dorkon, and much like kibl&brainloss, honesty and integrity are not things they value.


Panzer vor!

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I assume it's not really as much about the religion as it is about their egos of being superior and having to lie constantly to try and keep their egos up




Panzer vor!

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Your athiesm is only a minority overall in mortal mankind's history.

It's rising faster than your mythology.


Tis the downside of having a large religion. Eventually it peaks and starts a decline. Course this is all natural eb and flow, though it doesn't help that people are more informed and becoming less likely to believe in outlandish religions now that they have access to all the knowledge they could want.

Let's face it, Dorkon needs to lie and BS to keep his religion on par with current knowledge and reality. If this is the case his religion can't really be the be all endorsed by god it claims to be.

What's even better is when something comes along that man discovers, Dorkon's religion spins like crazy to make it look like they knew the whole time, and when that discovery turns out to be error or negative, suddenly his religion respins to discount it having anything to do with it. Imagine if Hitler hadn't ever existed till now and he ran for president. All his ideals save a very small few fall along the conservative party lines and Dorkon would likely vote for him hands down. He'd brag about it, he'd spam the bejesus out of Hitler like he does already with current politicians. Then when things turned bad, it'd take a bit, but eventually Dorkon would denounce his vote and erase all mention of it as best he could so he could lie that he never voted for Hitler and thought he was the worst electorate ever.
But, this is Dorkon, and much like kibl&brainloss, honesty and integrity are not things they value.


Panzer vor!


Why hasnt athiesm won by now then? Say above 90%? It has been freaking centuries dude since the first unrecorded unbeliever made his choice to reject a deity/deities.

Even Ernie himself is open to the idea that a higher power (which according to him might be an ET) might have helped life along in this world.

Of course this ET would have to be one powerful organism...picking the right part in our Milky Way, the right distance from the sun and taking other variables for life into account which has been discussed here and elsewhere...the facts which Ernie glosses over.

Secular...hmmnnn...I wonder if Ernie really is a secularist. More likely he is open to one form of religion at least being open towards a New Age form of it.

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The fact that Christians spend a good portion of history murdering anyone who didn't believe might have something to do with it.


Good portion? Nah. Athiesm never won out before the coming of Christ.

We know life exists in the universe. We don't have a shred of evidence that your god exists anywhere. A fact which YOU gloss over.


Where are your empirical observations that your form of life exists (from say evolved from slime or another substance) in the universe? The unjust live by faith also. And you made a statement of faith.

And you made a statement of faith.

Why are you so insistent that someone must have a belief in the supernatural? For one thing, you are wrong. For another, logical beings require evidence for belief. Gullible people will accept whatever they are told.


Face it. You and others want a higher power to exist.


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Why hasnt athiesm won by now then?


It isn't a frigging race, dimwit. It survives, relegions don't. That's a fact, live with it.


Even Ernie himself is open to the idea that a higher power (which according to him might be an ET) might have helped life along in this world.


Higher power (ie your imbecilic ET) does not equate to god, moron.


Of course this ET would have to be one powerful organism..


Nope, just advanced - in the way that intelligent humans are more advanced than you, knuckledragger.

Secular...hmmnnn...I wonder if Ernie really is a secularist. More likely he is open to one form of religion at least being open towards a New Age form of it.


Why do you insist on making up lies?





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Even if Christianity was gone other faith systems will take its place.Wrong.

http://atheism.wikia.com/wiki/American_Atheism_is_rising_and_Christian s_don%27t_like_it.


Ask your pal uther. Many athiests in his country become Muslims.

Immigrants 100% indeed...

The natural unfolding of time will prove athiesm wrong of course.

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Ask your pal uther. Many athiests in his country become Muslims.


No they don't. Load of lying bullshot. In fact there is a rather nasty anti-Islam rhetoric at the moment.

Again, why do you insist in making up lies?

Because you're a LIAR. It's all you do....




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So far, the natural unfolding of time has proven YOU wrong, every time.

You've had over 6,000 years. Why does atheism still exist?

More failed prophesies. How predictable.


All in due time.

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Athiesm in due time will be proven to be a false view anyhow.

How?

Surely if 2000 years of theism proves that theism will never die, then 2000 years of being unable to prove the existence of god proves that the existence of god will never be proven.

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How?

Surely if 2000 years of theism proves that theism will never die, then 2000 years of being unable to prove the existence of god proves that the existence of god will never be proven.


The Master proves Himself to those who seek His existence usually individually.

Like the muslims receiving supernatural encounters and dreams. Sometimes it can be actual encounters also with the risen Lord I might add:

http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/rising-number-of-muslims-reporting-dreams-a bout-jesus/

“I was in the desert alone, lost. As far as the horizon, there was nothing in sight but sand. I felt the sand on my bare feet. Then I saw something extraordinary. In the midst of that barrenness, an immense wooden cross emerged from the earth, rising up with sand spilling from it back to earth.”



So begins a dream narrative posted by Bosnian Muslim teenager Emina Emlonic. A dream about Jesus.

It continues: “I felt then a spectator in my own dream, and the sight of the cross gave me neither fear nor joy. But I was a curious and began moving, almost floating, towards it, the most magnificent … thing I’d ever seen or imagined, and as I came closer to the cross, I suddenly saw a man walking toward me: a broad-shouldered, long-striding man, with a dark complexion, long hair, and wearing a white robe.

“And just as suddenly I ceased to be a witness to my dream. I was in it, walking toward the man walking toward me. I knew him immediately. He was Jesus. Without knowing why, I fell to my knees. He stood over me and touched my face with his right hand.”

Posted at the Catholic Thing website, such accounts of encounters with Jesus through dreams and visions increasingly are being reported, according to Pastor Frank Costenbader, founder of Manifold Hope Ministries, publisher of the Isa Dreams website.

Isa is an Arabic name corresponding to Jesus that is found in the Quran.

“The number of Isa dreams has seemed to grow tremendously since 2000, and in 2005 it seems to have kicked into another gear,” Costenbader said. “There has been an explosion of testimonies on the Web in the past two years about people encountering Jesus in dreams and subsequently becoming followers of Jesus.”

A Saudi man said his dream started with a “horrible” scene.

“One night, while I was asleep, I had this horrible dream of me being taken into hell. And what I saw there brought me real fear, and these dreams kept coming to me almost every night. At this point I was really wondering as to why I should be seeing hell in this manner,” he wrote at Answering-Islam.

He said Jesus appeared to him and said: “Son, I am the way, the truth and the life. And if you would give your life to Me, and follow Me, I would save you from the hell that you have seen.

“This came as a surprise to me, for I did not know who this Jesus was. Of course, He is mentioned in the Quran and in the book Surah Mariam. He is stated as one of our prophets, but not as a savior who could save us from hell. So I started looking out for a Christian who could give me some advice about this Jesus I have seen.”

He said he had to reach out to an Egyptian Christian, because Christianity is “totally banned in Saudi Arabia and if a Christian is caught witnessing to a Muslim, [it is] almost sure that he would be beheaded.”

A Thai teenager named Fa reported on Muslims of Thailand she saw Jesus as she walked in a field.

An account of her experience includes: “She found herself in the open field. There was nothing much special in this scenery but she felt peace in her heart, the kind of peace that she has never felt before. It seemed like she has been in this field before and somehow, she knew what was going to happen next.

“And then suddenly there appeared before her a bright light. She didn’t get startled when she saw the figure. It was a man wearing a white robe that seemed to shine. There was so much of joy and love that flooded in her heart when she saw the figure. She immediately knew that Jesus was appearing to her. Then she woke up.”

Not just Muslims

Muslims are not the only ones reporting such remarkable encounters, as Costenbader also describes accounts by Hindus.

He said regardless of the background, a common characteristic of the dreams of Jesus is that they instill a sense of peace.

“That’s far different than the fear-filled system of Islam,” Costenbader said.

Christine Darg, author and co-host of the Jerusalem Channel television program “Exploits Ministry,” agrees it’s an increasingly common development.

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“The phenomenon of Muslims coming to a living faith in Jesus is happening every day. This is part of the prophecy of the prophet Joel that in the last days God will pour out his spirit upon all people – sons and daughters will prophesy, young and old men will experience dreams and visions,” Darg said.

Darg, who is also author of the book “Miracles Among Muslims: The Jesus Visions,” says compiling a record of the visions is difficult because of how often it happens.

“There are so many! One former terrorist promised God he would die for him, Jesus spoke to him audibly and said, ‘I’m calling you not to die but to live for me!’ He was surprised,” Darg said.

“While all Christians, from a theological viewpoint, should be willing to lay down our lives for the Lord Jesus Christ who made atonement for us, nevertheless, this message of Jesus to the former terrorist is quite a refreshing reversal to the death-wish mantra of jihadists!” Darg said.

Darg noted some experts say at least a quarter of all Muslim-background believers have experienced some type of supernatural dream or vision about Jesus.

“When I share my faith with Muslims, I often ask them if they’ve had a dream or a vision about Jesus, and usually they answer positively,” she said.

In his research, Costenbader found accounts of “Isa dreams” are not new.

A dream in 1844 led to the conversion of an Indonesian named Paulus-Tosari, who helped begin the first modern movement of Muslims converting to Christ.

He said also that two Jesus visions in 1892 can be directly tied to the founder of the second Muslim movement to Christ in Ethiopia.

‘Supernatural’

Author and Choices for Living President Jim Bramlett, who has lived in Saudi Arabia, believes that the phenomenon of Muslims experiencing visions and dreams of Jesus is definitely “supernatural.”

“They’re visions. They’re dreams. It’s a supernatural, sovereign act of God and it’s encouraging. It’s also happening more often than anyone knows,” Bramlett said.

Darg said simply talking about a dream or vision of Jesus opens the door for the Muslim convert to talk openly about the encounter.

“For a case in point, recently I was taking a tour group through the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem’s Old City, and our guide had arranged for us to meet a Muslim cleric,” Darg said.

Soon it was time for questions and answers, and knowing that sheik was an expert on the mystical form of Islam, Sufism, Darg said she “felt he surely would have heard of some of his co-religionists who had experienced a dream about Jesus.”

“So I asked the sheik if he could share any examples with us. Suddenly, the man began to break down in tears. ‘I will tell you a secret. I myself have seen Jesus,’ he said, although he was speaking to my entire group,” Darg said.

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Darg says the Sufi leader’s experience is typical.

“He related the most beautiful encounter that he had experienced with the risen Lord Jesus, and how the Lord had embraced him in a way that the sheik had become a believer and follower of Jesus without realizing that he was a Christian,” Darg said.

Costenbader said the number of encounters through dreams is incalculable, since he alone has documented stories from 29 countries.

“Nobody can get perfect statistics, but based on all our research, we believe that well over 1 million Jesus dreams and visions have occurred since the year 2000. This may be only 200 dreams each night among 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide.”

But he said “it is possible that as many as 5 percent of the worldwide Muslim population could have had such a dream – which would be up to 80 million dreamers.”

Darg pointed out many Muslims “do not readily relate these supernatural experiences out of fear of reprisals.”

She relates the story of a woman on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem who experienced dreams and visions about Jesus.

“She did not respond to him at first because of fear of what might happen to her if she became a follower of Jesus. Nevertheless, through an accident in her kitchen and a subsequent total healing of her injury by another night vision of Jesus, she received the strength to testify that Jesus is alive and that he had indeed healed her,” Darg said.

Costenbader cited Sura 4:89 of the Quran, which says conversions from Islam to Christianity are punishable by death.

They all had dreams

Costenbader said the dreams, in the words of one woman he interviewed, transform lives.

“When I interviewed one woman from Iran, she said that they had all had dreams,” Costenbader said.

The woman told him: “Would you put your life on the line for a proposition? We need something transformational, that’s what these dreams are.”

Darg’s book has examples of Jesus appearing to multiple people at the same time.

“My research, as far as I know, is the only book to emphasize this fascinating fact. It’s one thing when Jesus appears to an individual, which He did to me when I was a young girl. He healed me of a life-threatening illness in an open vision.

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“But it’s another dimension altogether when Jesus appears to a group simultaneously. I have a whole chapter in my book about the Lord appearing to Muslim schoolboys in Arabia in a classroom during Ramadan,” Darg said.

Bramlett said the visions could be the result of prayers for Muslims, but he says God is the one who is doing the work.

“I believe He’s sovereignly pouring out His presence to the Muslim people. It’s a product of His grace. He sent His Son to die for them and He loves them. This is one of His ways of communicating His love to them,” Bramlett said.

While Bramlett believes Muslims’ prior perception of Jesus as a prophet could help them come to terms with the visions, another factor is responsible for Muslim conversions.

“I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is at work, because Scripture says that no one can say Jesus is Lord apart from the Holy Spirit. So it’s His work,” Bramlett said.

Bramlett also notes an important attitude shift that he believes is necessary. He says the details of the stories should help Americans understand God’s desire to see the Arab people embrace Christianity.

“They themselves are God’s creation. Jesus wants to reach out to those precious souls,” Bramlett said.

Bramlett said a major hindrance for Muslims is their belief system.

“Their religious system is satanic. It’s possible that Allah may be the devil himself. Think of it; the Quran tells them to kill those who won’t convert,” Bramlett said. “However, we should want to see them saved. They’re God’s creation, and they all need to be redeemed. Jesus intentionally died to save them, too.”
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Like the muslims receiving supernatural encounters and dreams. Sometimes it can be actual encounters also with the risen Lord I might add:


LOL "Even Muslims get proof of god's existence, just not their god, but mine"

Crazy as ever, eh Dorkon?


Panzer vor!

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Ahhh, now we see that YOU are the real slave here.


I was created to serve. It is how I am made free.

That's a load of horsesh** and you know it. A thousand gods throughout history have proven themselves to individuals. Does that mean they ALL existed?


The Exalted One has shown me time and time again that He is with me in this wilderness.

Then let's see some objective, testable evidence instead of anecdotal hearsay which is worthless.


I will make a topic about that later...if I can find that episode. Still searching.

So does the bible.


You'd prefer the scriptwriters of Hollywood promoting their religion in movies such as Lethal Weapon, Captain America 2, ST: Into The Darkness. You know the one I mean.

Should be careful. The light of TRUE FREEDOM is with you a while longer. Do not keep ignoring it.

And my Lord can prove Himself to you as well. Then quit talking about it. Quit posting these quaint little fairy stories which nobody believes. Tell him to get on with it.


Ask Him yourself. Lazy slave of sin...

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When you have a MASTER, you are never truly free.


We must all serve someone or something. Haven't you seen the animal kingdom?

Your hallucinations aren't terribly convincing, kid.


Maybe you are scared because no one is with you? You cannot shake my confidence in the Lord. He is with me even now.

Your bible is just as fictitious.


Where are your empiricial observations that there is life on other planets? Or that these lifeforms came from natural substances?

I can see Jersualem. I know that Paul and Peter existed. I know that there used to be a House of David (archaeology has proven that), etc, etc.

That is what I can see, hear, and even touch the stones of Jerusalem. I can't see your lifeforms.

The just may live by faith. But it is based on many empirical observations by the five senses.

The unjust live by faith on lifeforms on other planets and that these creatures came from natural substances...but so far there are no empiricial observations.

What should I believe in? Your worldview? I already believed it before I came to Christ years ago.

I serve no master. That's all your department, kid.


Observe the animal kingdom. You serve something or someone. You are designed that way.

The only way to be free is to serve the right things. That is freedom.

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We must all serve someone or something.


No we don't. I serve no one.

Haven't you seen the animal kingdom?


Yes. they don't serve anyone either.


Maybe you are scared because no one is with you?


Quite the opposite - no one is with YOU - you're seen as an idiot, from religious people and atheists alike. It's clear you're a moron, and you prove it time and time again.

I know that Paul and Peter existed.


No you don't.

I can't see your lifeforms.


Or god. Or Jesus. Boy you really like to see both sides don't you? NOT.

But it is based on many empirical observations by the five senses.


Your blatant lies just make you look like a retard. Your god has ZERO observations. ZERO.

Just another imbecile looking for someone to share hie delusion....







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No we don't. I serve no one.


Then you lead an unhappy life. Period.

Yes. they don't serve anyone either.


Uneducated...for a self proclaimed professor.

No you don't.


Yawn. Peter and Paul existed "professor".

I can't see your lifeforms.


Or god. Or Jesus. Boy you really like to see both sides don't you? NOT.

But it is based on many empirical observations by the five senses.


Your blatant lies just make you look like a retard. Your god has ZERO observations. ZERO.

Just another imbecile looking for someone to share hie delusion....


All I ask Ernie is to show me lifeforms from other planets. And to show that they came from natural substances...to add to the observations that I have made in this world about people and geographical locations mentioned in Scripture.

And I will gladly return to my previous atheistic beliefs.

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Then you lead an unhappy life. Period.

Quite the opposite, half-wit. I live a fantastic life, with beautiful people in a beautiful location with wonderful adventures. My life is actually perfect. So once again: FAIL


And yet this be your own quote:

"I serve no one."

Do you serve these beautiful people you speak off?

Really? Then explain how, half-wit. Tell me who animals answer to and who is their master and how they serve him, c'mon - you make the claim now prove it. Oh that's right, YOU CAN'T.

Animals serve others. I believe the silverback gorillas have a hierarchy.

Adults throughout the animal kingdom serve their offspring so that they might live.

And by the way, moron, where do I "proclaim" to be a professor? I am not a professor, and have never claimed to be. Why do you have to make things up?Is it because you're trying to doge frpm your lying claims and debunked idiocy?


Well well...did you pick up that backtracking habit from that slave Ernie? I'd be careful to not be the path he is on friend. His days more or less draw to an end.



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That's just you, kid. Many slaves feel their lives would be meaningless without subservience. It's kinda sick. A free man - a free thinker - is not burdened with this fallacy.


Then stop serving your family's needs. And be in life for yourself.

Then get back to me if you are happier or not.

I've never claimed to believe in life forms on other planets. I have only said it was POSSIBLE. We already know for a fact that this universe can support life. You claim that god exists without a shred of proof. Big difference.


Why do you even spread your gospel? It is a dull view that you have of the known universe.

Boring and dull. Before I came to Christ I leaned towards the fact that extraterrestials existed and that they visited this planet from time to time...because well I liked to think that the universe was a more interesting place.

It is not the same with you.

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There is far more evidence for extraterrestrial life than there is for your god. That is a fact.


Show me slave. The alien in Edge of Tomorrow does not count:

http://www.icefilms.info/ip.php?v=194162&;

Serving is not subservience, dumbass. My family does not command me. My family does not order me around. My family does not make rules for me.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Serving?s=t

to render assistance; be of use; help.

to be useful or of service to; help.

to render obedience or homage to (God, a sovereign, etc.).

But focus on only the third definition and ignore the rest...

This does not surprise me. You believe many things without evidence. That's called "gullibility".


I never said I believed it 100%. Only that I "leaned" towards it. Your worldview is boring and dull. ANd at your age you are the crudest man I know on this board...next to uther that is.

How would I want to be like you two? And as for me having evidence I know that the Apostles such as Paul and Peter existed. I can see Jerusalem in the news. There is certainly a House of David, etc. That is evidence enough...more so than your ET.

You're right. Nobody commands me to believe anything. I am free to ponder the possibilities based on the evidence, not some silly "faith".


You have faith that the planet magically ended up in the right part of the Milky Way and the right distance from the sun and other variables all combining together to sustain life on this planet.

Even though you have never pointed to another planet that has life on it. Yes you have blind faith alright.



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Just look at Europe which has seen an explosion of Islam and New Age belief systems.


That's a bit of an American-made myth. Here in Germany, there are only 3 - 3.5 million muslims, out of a population of 81 million. Nearly all of them are immigrants; 80% don't have German citizenship and eventually plan to return to their home countries (which is Turkey, in most cases). Only around 100,000 Muslims in Germany are converts.

What is rarely ever mentioned in this context though is that born and raised Muslims undergo the same slow secularization process in Germany as the rest of society. Meaning that there is an increasing number of Turkish-German atheists who were raised as Muslims.

And of course it's anybody's guess how many practicing Muslims really believe in a god. The same goes for self-professed Christians. I would estimate that at least half of all German Christians don't believe in a deity, nevermind things like angels or demons. They simply culturally identify as Christians, maybe go to church twice a year on Easter and Christmas (most of them haven't seen the inside of a church since the day they were baptized or married), and harbor a very vague hope for some sort of afterlife. Which means they're actually closet atheists.

The same goes for a large number of Muslims, even and especially in Muslim majority countries. The only reason that we're seeing very little overt atheism in the Islamic world is the intense discrimination against atheists, including the death sentence for apostasy in some countries. You'd be amazed how many Muslims don't really believe in Allah deep down and feel that Mohammed's ramblings are more than a little overrated.

As for new age religions: What are they? Can you name a few? Other than Scientology, which isn't very popular over here (about 4,000 members), I only remember the Bhagwan / Osho thing back in the 1980s and 90s. Which wasn't a theistic belief system as much as a sex-positive life philosophy, if I remember correctly. It was a very short-lived fad, completely blown out of proportion by the sensationalist media. And other than that, nothing new-agey ever caught on over here.

I don't see any vastly successful new age cult in the US either. All I see is that throughout the entire Western World, every successive "do you believe in god/s" poll turns out higher numbers in the "no" column. Mankind is growing up.

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This is Dorkon you're correcting. Don't expect anything rational or your post to teach him anything




Panzer vor!

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Mankind is growing up.


Indeed:

Little details (we call them facts) which Darkon conveniently ignores shows his delusion to be just thjat - a delusion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/03/religion-beyond-belief_n_60 94442.html?1415106098&utm_hp_ref=uk

More than half of Britons believe that religion does more harm than good, with less than a quarter believing faith is a force for good, the Huffington Post UK can reveal today.

Even 20% of British people who described themselves as being 'very religious' said religion was harmful to society, and a quarter of said atheists were more likely to be moral individuals than religious people.

The exclusive poll for the HuffPost UK reveals that just 8% of Britons describe themselves as very religious, with more than 60% saying they were not religious at all.



None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Goethe

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As for new age religions: What are they? Can you name a few? Other than Scientology, which isn't very popular over here (about 4,000 members), I only remember the Bhagwan / Osho thing back in the 1980s and 90s. Which wasn't a theistic belief system as much as a sex-positive life philosophy, if I remember correctly. It was a very short-lived fad, completely blown out of proportion by the sensationalist media. And other than that, nothing new-agey ever caught on over here.

I don't see any vastly successful new age cult in the US either. All I see is that throughout the entire Western World, every successive "do you believe in god/s" poll turns out higher numbers in the "no" column. Mankind is growing up.


There are New Age beliefs. One does not need to belong to a cult. Such as becoming energy after you die and becoming a ghost. I notice that in recent times there has been an increase of shows dealing with the supernatural in American and the Canadian media.

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There are New Age beliefs.


Yet you know frack-all about them cannot post citations of details and have to resort to vague and unsupported claims.

Loser.


None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Goethe

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>>There are New Age beliefs.<<

yet you cannot give details. You mentioned New Age religions - then you should be able to give details and links to support your claims.

You claimed religions, now it's up to you to back up[your claim. I teach about such subjects, and I know you are lying.


Oh you...how are you?

Look up Tony Blair's strange beliefs online.

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It's very clear to me that atheists do not exist because if they did, their lives should show it. They would not hold morals, nor think humans are more special than any other living organism etc. The fact they DO have a moral standard and believe in human exceptionalism proves that they do not take atheism as true.



This is a faithful saying...Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

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So which morals should those be, kibl? Killing witches? Killing gays? How's raping women? Perhaps killing kids for mocking someone? Stoning my neighbor to death for working on a sunday?




Panzer vor!

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They would not hold morals, nor think humans are more special than any other living organism etc.


Kibl needs to understand the meaning of words...like atheist. Because being an atheist has nothing to do with morality (which ISN'T a universal, god-given state, and why would an atheist NOT think they are superior to other animals?) Your whole argument is utterly baseless.

The fact they DO have a moral standard and believe in human exceptionalism proves that they do not take atheism as true.


See above.What it actually proves is that you do not require any god to have morals. Morals are social constructs which is why there is no unioversal morality, as we have proved before.

Perhaps you should go and burn a few witches or hang a bunch of gays..just like your moral book instructs.



None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free - Goethe

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exist

What are they doing? Why do they come here?
Some kind of instinct, memory, what they used to do.

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I was watching a presentation with Neil deGrasse Tyson and he pointed out that as one gets more scientific one gets less religious and, pardon me for not having the exact figures,but 15% of the National Academy of Science was Religious and 85% was Atheistic. And he said that what was so interesting, was not the 85% of atheists, but the 15% of religious people. So maybe it kind of is hard wired in some people.

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