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CAN ANYBODY EXPLAIN THE END


I saw the movie in DVD without subtitles (not there was a lot of dialogue), however I was unable to understand the end of the movie.
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Why he the woman left ?. Why he plug himself to the tree and what exactly that tree means ?

Can somebody explain it to me.
Thanks,

Alex

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It's kinda obscure, but here goes...

SPOILERS:

He left the woman because she was changing into one of the mutants. She returns below so she doesn't spread the virus.

The sap from the tree was supposedly an energy source being tapped by the Eden Log Corporation to provide power for the city. However, what Eden Log was actually doing was taking immigrants underground under the pretext of working in the refinery (this is why you had that "You will be offered full citizenship as a reward for your help" recording at the start of the movie) and using them to feed the tree by hanging them in those cages among the roots. Things started to go wrong when the tree begins to attack the genuine refinery workers and anyone venturing down into the lower levels begins to become mutated. Some of the scientists working on the project begin to rebel and the whole refinery descends into chaos.

At the end, the hero sacrifices himself by fusing with the tree and let it feed off him, which allows it to begin growing out of control and engulf the city.

That's kinda it.

There was also obviously intended to be a sort of allegorical element to the film, given the Biblical quote at the start of the film, but, quite honestly, I couldn't really be bothered to work out what it was.

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Thanks for complete explanation, dtaylor.

The movie has some common lines with idea of the "Matrix" movie.

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Okay, but exactly WHY did he sacrifice himself and let the tree spread all over the city/the whole world??
In the end I just sat there and was like "What the *beep*.. does that make any sense at all?"

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The answer to "WHY exactly did he sacrifice himself?" is simple: he had a conscience and couldn't allow Eden Log to trick and use the immigrants as batteries.

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So his solution is to kill EVERYONE by letting the tree engulf the city (and I'm assuming eventually the world)? Some conscience.

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nobody was killed, they simply lost power from the plant, like a blackout.
you never see the tree grow over the city. Now those cheap bastards will
have to use fossil fuels now to keep the power going. Bring back the global
warming, lol.




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It's been a while since I saw it, but I'm pretty sure the tree grows and spreads over the buildings. Even the trailer has an animation of the tree growing around the title. That's the whole idea. IMHO. Nature winning over humans.

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ok, ok, there maybe some need for a bunch of
RoundUp, lol, but its not like the trees/plants/shrubberies
are killing anybody, not that I could tell, and I just watched
it a week or so ago



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SPOILERSSSSS!!!!

Ok...I am somewhat beginning to fathom this movie.

But, my question is who was the main character?

Cause at the end he figured out he was a cop (I assume that's his revelation after studying the video tapes), so when the cops found him they didn't kill him (that I know of).

But then...could that have been the way the movie actually ended, so that when he let the tree feed on him it was actually the beginning? Because then it would make sense as to why he's in the refinery in the first place, as well as his mutation, and the fact that the cops recognize him at the end.

...But then why would he have done the service of feeding the tree in the first place if he wasn't an immigrant? Unless it was asked of him by Eden Log...

hmmm...

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He was the head of the Eden Log security and was sent down to the refinery to stop the scientists from broadcasting what was actually happening to the immigrants, while he was down there he was contaminated which is why he killed his second in command.
The reason he plugged himself into the tree was to return the world to Eden (the biblical one) by having the tree cover the world and mutating the whole population into the mutants there by removing the mind, reason, all self from mankind and returning him to innocence.
That’s the impressing I got from the film anyway.

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I understood it that he was "special" because a) he kinda has the ability to almost 'control' his mutation except for he rape scene - after that it starts coming back and he manages to block it out and third time he protects her and channels his rage towards the other mutants then b) when he is with the botanist and he riggs him to the tree - he reverses the process in the tree - the botanist says that the tree has always been sterile - i'm guessing if he can reverse he process he can eventually make the cycle reverse so much the tree will die - so at the end of the film when he jams the roots into himself - the tree regenerates and grows so much and then dies - as seen with the city lights going out.
ALSO, near the beginning of the film - one of tthe scientists (the one being consumed by the roots) states something along the lines of 'you shouldnt have made it this far' - that sets the tone that he is different - special. its like with loads of sci-fi films - so-and-so's blood is the cure etc.

its a shame its got such a low rating on IMDb, i thought it was actaully pretty good and scary - i found it a good mixture of matrix, soylent green and...doom i suppose whilst still maintaining a decent original storyline.

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Yes, that is what I thought, that he was actually killing the tree as well as breaking the generator system with it. None of the trees growth had leaves.

I also am suprised by the low rating. I thought it was excellent, just not polished.



Alma

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Thanks alot for explaining. I think it all make sense. I liked the beginning alot, but the plot was not that good. It would be better if they let us know more about him, so we had more to care about. But it was a bit scary and should have more gore I think.

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I’m not trying to be rude to anyone, but are you all crazy? This film was possibly the least scary thing I have ever seen, the "Mutants" were dull and uninspirered, they might as well have just made them zombies and called it dawn/day/or night of the dead 2, I mean come on lets face it what did they do? Hit Tolbiac a couple of times then run away, make at best an irritating noise, and have a pathetic scuffle with the guards near the end.

Also the film explained so little in its storyline/plot that all of your explanations while valid a possibly right, they can actually be nothing more than a guess.

I’m sorry to put a low on everyone about this film but how it can be described as "Excellent" is beyond me, I have seen more movies than I could care to count and this on sadly is on my 'Not to watch again' list, only just avoiding the 'I have wasted X hours of my life' list.

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This was an excellent movie and people who liked it don't need to be called crazies.
One movie doesn't need mutants and gore to be scary. EdenLog was not trying to be dawn/night/or day of the dead. And that is why it is different and is that why people like cprunney don't have the brain or the patience to get the main plot. Stop being a crybaby about the hours wasted watching this movie. You had the choice to stop it and burn the DVD after the first few minutes of opening but you didn't do it. Next, get a DVD with a chopped head and a butcher knife on the cover, because obviously they have better plots and better scary scenes in them, and this is what you seem to love.

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This movie was never supposed to be scary or that easy to understand in the first place, how did you get that idea? It was an artsy, experimental flick done with about no budget at all - a showcase of a very talented, inspired director who (and I can only assume that, of course) wanted to make everything but yet another common horror/suspense flick.
If you don't like, that's perfectly fine, but calling people crazy who actually do like it, is childish, especially since you didn't seem to have put much thought into the movie as a whole.

That being said I rated it a solid 6/10. A very atmospheric, well done movie with an interesting plot. Nothing too special, though. I'm looking forward to future projects of this director.

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Yeah, I agree completely with you. The only scary and good movies are with realy baaaad and "inspired" mutants. No bad and isnpired mutants in movie??? Well, it sucks and everyone enjoying the film is crazy!

Also, if you don't have a narrator in the movie, explaining the storyline/plot, right from the main character's birth, all the way to the end - IT SUCKS!!!

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The end is like so many Sci-fi movies. Humans bad. Plants good. Humans are the vermin that must die because of the arrogance of the corporation or military or "scientists." There is nothing in the plot or the end that is original hence why the movie falls short.

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No, the end shows that Tolbiac had a conscience and didn't want humans to be exploited and literally killed for the benefit of others. It's not meant to show that plants are awesome and people are evil.

Because Cthulhu's like that...

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they didnt hang in cages among the roots, they hung in cages among the upper branches

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Thank you for the explanation. It makes more sense now.

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My reading of the film is entirely different. After studying technophobia it occurred to me that Eden Log is in opposition to technophobia. As we all live in an age when we're so infused with technology, nearly everyone has a mobile phone or access to the internet, when we lose that technology (misplacing your phone, your computer breaks down) people tend to panic. Eden Log works in exploiting that fact, as Tolbiac goes through the levels of the city he comes across the mutants, they are not mutants really but a regressed primitive version of humanity, like a neanderthal and as he comes into contact with the tree he too starts to regress to the primitive state. That's where the fear really is for the audience, in the concept of having to go back to having no technology.

The ending when he fuses with the tree I think is indicative of humanity not being able to escape the regression, if we do not want to be fully controlled by the technology we create (a trait of technophobia, the loss of control) we have to become more primal and return to a more primitive state.

Thats my theory anyway

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I like your theory. Well done.

Silence is not an acceptable answer.

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I switched the subtitles of the audio commentary on, it really helps to understand, what the director wanted to show by doing things this and that way. Very interesting film, but I had to watch it twice, it's really not easy to get. But I give 7/10.

I'm a signature, call me George.

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very ecological movie

save the trees

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I think that the movie has a low rating simply because most of the people who have rated it didn't just understand the movie.

I thought it was 7 or 8.

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Probably...i was really surprised that it is sooooo underrated...the concept was great, it just simply didnt have that big of a budget...still, great set-design...and those who expected a scary movie or something similar: go and watch the saw series for the millionth time!!!...whatever...

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What's cool about this movie is that is very reminiscent of something of the 70's and 80's. There are some plot twists and sure things are up for interpretation, but that is the beauty of it, much like David Lynch films, it is about the audience interpretation. Some films you have to see with your mind more than your eyes.

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This movie was not that good. I gave it a five. The ending was weak and french.

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As a Canadian, my interpretations can see the slant of both American and European cinema. U.S. movies have a certain religious and moral spin. Euros deal in political economy. That said, Eden Log was all about not being a movie.
In a full-length feature film intended as a series of connected black-and-white images ("l'image" in French means "what you viewed") why were the rape flashbacks the only images in full colour? He rapes several women one of whom is Black. In the last 1.5 seconds of Eden Log his own image turns into a Black man.
Correct me if the spoken voiceoever during that final image is not: "Only when all people except the Black ones have been eliminated can we return to the Garden of Eden."

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Where the hell did you get that *beep* from? Seriously, your mind is clearly disturbed

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SPOILER ALERT.

He is sent to carry on a search and destroy kind of mission inside the plantation that had actually gone bad. they had to eliminate all scientists and remaining staff since they found out about "the secret" during this mission he actually becomes infected but dosn't transform because he is special. thnx to the infection that causes black outs and during an episode he kills his second in command and is left clothesless in the last level. Without memory and on his way back up he eliminates the architect during one of this episodes (its shown as a flashback in the end) and actually causes indirectly for the botanist to leave his hideout ( this is when we find out that he can make the plant grow with his blood). he continues to go up and unkowingly during another episode ends the mission, does it by eliminating the last person, the woman, by raping and thus infecting her. Finnaly on the -1 level while finding out who he is he informs the people above the outcome of the mission (acomplished mostly during blackout). After this he is congratulated and informed that he has a new mission, To carry out the beggining of a new instalation ( the last one was no good any more) and he (we actually) is breifed on how they are using inmigrants as manure to feed the tree under the false pretext of earning the entrance to the city. But after his adventures he no longer agrees with the idea of making an eden for some by using the sacrifice of others. So instead of Doing whatever he was supposed to do he connects to the new tree making it grow out of control and eliminating the city, thus sending everyone back to a primitive state and making an "eden" for all kinds.

Cheers to all ;)

Mutantedelorto.






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I like your take on it as well.

Silence is not an acceptable answer.

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Thanks, this is pretty much what I gleamed from the movie.

A succinct explanation. Nice movie; not you everyday American fare.

Saw? Puhleeze.

At least give me Hostel. :)

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I don't really understand Tolbiac's logic. He doesn't like the Eden Corporation keeping the mutant immigrant workers a secret, so he decides to take his revenge on them by WIPING OUT AN ENTIRE CITY and possibly the world via the tree?

I dunno, but if I were him I'd just take the video logs that he found on the memory chip and take it down to the local TV station. Beats killing millions of innocent people.

Also, since he is the first hybrid and the only human being that can live in harmony with the tree, his blood could be used to develop a formula for feeding the tree instead of sacrificing immigrants. But no, he's a meat-headed idiot.

I know it's probably all supposed to be symbolic, but it kinda drifted off course for me towards the end. Still, a decent movie and I liked the atmosphere.

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My take was that the boxes in which the immigrants where held in symbolized apples/forbidden fruit. The Eden Log people are trying to create paradise but to do it they take the short cut of sacrifice (forbidden fruit). This makes them unworthy of paradise and so at the end Tolbiac essentially takes on the role of god to cast the unworthy out of Eden. Resetting man to 0. The tree itself was already fighting back, so perhaps Tolbiac was simply a catalyst and was made "special" by the tree itself to carry out this function.

This could suggest a loop in which man aspires to create paradise but always chooses to take the short cut. This makes man unworthy each time and each time is reset to 0.
In this way, perhaps "Genesis" is the allegory.

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Thanks for the help! I was confused with most of the movie, trying to mentally catch up to each scene, especially the end. After reading what others figured out really helped me. Thanks for taking the time everyone!




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Your explanation was the best I read so far on this, razeldavies!

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Oh, god!

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A lot of valid ideas put forward but im confused by one thing..
some of you mention that his blood can regenerate the tree but in the scene where we see that it does that also shows that it will also kill the tree if withdrawn,now i might have misread that(its not an easy film to follow afterall) but if im right then his purpose in the end was to destroy the tree and not just make it grow ...
which kinda explains why all the power goes off in the end..

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