My rant to the BBFC


This was the first email I sent to them:

My name is Jonathan McEvoy,

I am a gamer and a fan of the game ‘Manhunt’. I find in very silly that you
guys have banned ‘Manhunt 2’. You say it has "unremitting bleakness and
callousness of tone...which constantly encourages visceral killing with
exceptionally little alleviation or distancing".

I find that easy to believe as I have played the first game. I also think
that is not the only reason you guys have banned this game. I think you
guys banned it because of that sad incident where a young boy was murdered
by his friend who claimed he was inspired by the game ‘Manhunt’. I think
that the boy was warped before he played the game and I don’t feel the game
was to blame. If anyone was to blame it was his parents who didn’t shield
him from playing games with an ’18’ certificate.

I am almost sure that nearly all of mature gamers can distinguish between
fantasy and reality, so much so that playing a game like ‘Manhunt 2’ would
not inspire them to go on a killing spree. You state that killings are
encouraged in the game, well yes THAT’S the point! You are a man trying to
find out why you have been imprisoned, you are coming up against some
unsavoury individuals. I find that the BBFC have been very judgmental in
their decision of banning this game, so much so that it smacks of
mollycoddling and is downright predijuice! You are trying to tell adults
what games they can play as if playing a game like this would incite
violence? You guys obviously don’t get out much, it’s like a corporation
run by clones of David Cameron.

I strongly feel you guys should lift the ban and allow the game to be sold
in Britain. Even the police stated that there was no evidence to suggest
that the previous game played no part in any murders. The BBFC is just
becoming more PC than ever, which is ruining the entertainment in this
country."

I just feel that the BBFC is trying to make an example of Manhunt 2 and
frankly it is childish. I feel the game should be released but to purchase
it you need a passport or proof of I.D. I also feel that if it is released
it should NOT be available online, as the younger generation would find
that an easy way of aquiring it. Please see sense and release this game,
banning it is doing no good as you have now just made people want it more,
so in essence, banning it has had the reverse effect to what you desired.


Yours Truly, Jonathan McEvoy

And here is their reply:

Dear Jonathan McEvoy

Thank you for your email.

We were aware that any connection between the first MANHUNT and the murder
of Stefan Pakeerah was disproved, and consequently discounted by the
authorities in their investigation of the case. This tragic incident played
no part in our decision.

The BBFC classifies videos, DVDs and some digital works under the Video
Recordings Act 1984. Our classification decision on MANHUNT 2 was made in
accordance with our classification guidelines. These guidelines are a
product of both experience and an extensive public consultation process.
They are available on our main website - http://www.bbfc.co.uk - under the
section entitled 'downloads'.

You will find it useful to read our press releases which explain in full
our decision on MANHUNT 2. These are available on our main website under
the section entitled 'news', and then 'press'. The relevant releases are
dated 19 June and 08 October 2007.

Thank you for taking the time and trouble to express your interesting
views.

Yours sincerely,


J L Green
Chief Assistant (Policy)

And here is my reply to their reply lol:

Dear J L Green,

Many thanks for your speedy reply, I understand your numerous reasons for finding Manhunt 2 distasteful but you must understand that the game is made by ADULTS for ADULTS. To stop children getting hold of the game, or any like it, harsher guidelines must be put in place. These guidelines however, must not interfer with the target audiences' demand. These games should not be banned from adults just because there is a risk that a child might get hold of it. What you are doing is infringing on a persons right to choose. I fully understand that the BBFC is there to rate films and digital media appropriately, however they must be fair.

I feel, as i'm sure many others do, that you are making an example of Manhunt 2 to satisfy the stuffy critics of violent video games, and also because there is presently an investigation ongoing about the effects they have, which I am sure you are trying to please also. It is not the right of the BBFC to decide wether we adults can or cannot play such games, you are just there to rate them appropriately. I heard there is a scene in the game where an enemy is 'castrated' by the player in order for him to progress. Rockstar had this scene cut from the game, which I am led to believe was at the BBFC's behest, yet a similar scene occurs in the movie 'Hostel: Part II', which you guys rated an '18'. What is it? One rule for them, and a different rule for the rest of us? Surely you can see my point? I mean I am not the only one who feels so strongly about your conservative view of the game.

It's not only because I want to play the game that I am complaining, it's because I find it very unjust that a ratings board can tell us, Joe Public, what we can and cannot play, it practically borders on communism.

You need to understand that this will never go away, it's not just gamers making a stand for Manhunt 2, it's the gaming public making a stand for all the 'scapegoats' the BBFC find to show they are 'doing their part for the community', practically it smacks of appealing to the masses. See sense, lift the ban and release the game UNCUT!

Yours truly,

Jonathan McEvoy

I will post their new reply when I get it.

Can I just add that this is my new campaign. I will not rest until this game is released UNCUT!



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Here is their second reply:

Dear Jonathan McEvoy

Thank you for your further interesting comments.

The 'right' of the BBFC is a statutory one, as explained in my previous
email to you. The BBFC applies its classification guidelines fairly and
appropriately, and within the legislative framework of the UK. Sometimes
this application will involve cuts to a work or the refusal of a
certificate. It should be pointed out that this is the first game to be
refused a classification by the BBFC in 10 years. It is fairly clear that
this track record does not indicate a prejudicial attitude by the BBFC
towards video games.

Having read our press releases, you will know that the appeal against the
'uncut' version of MANHUNT 2 was suspended while the revised version was
considered for classification. The decision on whether or not an appeal
goes ahead, and against which version, lies with Rockstar. Therefore, as
the matter is still subject to legal proceedings, we are unable to provide
any further comment other than that in our statements. I sympathise that
this is frustrating, but you will appreciate the situation.

Yours sincerely,


J L Green
Chief Assistant (Policy)


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And here is my reply to them:

Dear J L Green,

You make a valid enough point, and yes you are correct, it is the first time a game has been banned in 10 years, but it isn't the first time you guys have tried. If you'll cast your mind back to 1996 I believe, the BBFC tried to ban Silent Hill. You all still fail to see that these games' target audience are adults NOT children. Rockstar games would not need to appeal the BBFC's decision if the BBFC would see sense and revoke the ban, so that the target audience could play it.

I have this image of most of the staff at the BBFC who certify movies and games, all sitting around a desk, summing up reasons why they shouldn't release that movie or this game. I feel that a lot of personal feelings are aimed at what is seen as 'questionable content', and I also feel that the BBFC staff that certify these things do so with a bias frame of mind. I sense that there are alot of prudes working there.

I feel you should employ people who have a good knowledge of movies and games, like me for instance, to certify these things. I don't feel that the BBFC at present, takes into account, the artistic merit of some of the games and movies being released. I'd be more than happy to be a certifier, if that is the correct term. I feel I would do a very good job.

Yours truly,

Jonathan McEvoy

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You made some valid points to the BBFC Vigilante, but the problem is the BBFC is hiding behind some bad legislation. These laws were made by a government which was reacting to a tabloid press which was on its high horse about video nasties, and how they would lead to the downfall of civilisation. All total bollocks. The media at the time were looking for links between violent crimes and movies which the perpetrators of violent crimes owned on video or had seen at the movies. Even after the Video Recordings Act 1984 was made law, the media were still trying to blame movies for violence in society. I dont know if you remember when Michael Ryan ran amok in Hungerford, but the press were trying to blame his actions on First Blood. When the Bulger boy was murdered in 1993, the press tried to blame the movie "Chucky". They continue to do this today, whether by blaming movies or video games. As far as i am aware no one, any where in the world, has ever went out and murdered someone because they watched a movies or played a video game. However, people have gone out and murdered people, started revolutions, and wars, because they read a book, but i dont hear anyone calling for the banning and burning of books. The only answer is a for a change in the law by the government. If a movie or a game has scenes of extreme violence in them, then it should be clearly marked on the cover, posters, flyers etc.. and the adult population can then make up their own minds whether or not they want to buy the movie or the game. By all means, ban the sale of these games and movies to children, but the authorities should not be telling adults what they can and cannot watch or play.

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Right on dude. It's idiotic that they make movies and games the scapegoats. They should look at the families.

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New reply:

Dear Jonathan McEvoy

Thank you for your continuing emails.

There was no attempt by the BBFC to 'ban' the video game SILENT HILL. You
may be confusing it with CARMAGEDDON, which was the video game refused a
certificate in 1997.

As mentioned in my first response, our classification decisions are made in
line with our published guidelines. You have already been directed to
those. In addition, the BBFC has considerable experience in classifying
games, and employes several highly knowledgeable and experience gamers as
examiners.

All BBFC vacancies are advertised on our designated job website -
http://www.londonjobvacancies.co.uk. There is a link to this site from our
main site - http://www.bbfc,co.uk - on the 'Opportunities' page under the
item 'About the BBFC' on the homepage menu. I'm afraid we currently have no
vacancies and we do not retain speculative applications. However, it is
always worth checking the site periodically.

If you have any further enquiries regarding employment opportunities at the
BBFC please contact our Personnel team at [email protected].

Yours sincerely,


J L Green
Chief Assistant (Policy)

And mine to them:

Dear J L Green,

Regarding your comment about the BBFC having "considerable experience" classifying movies and games. I believe that statement would be open for debate. The BBFC states that games like Manhunt 2 'encourage violence', just Manhunt 2? I fear someone may be pigeonholing here, a very unfair assessment I also might add.

There are alot of things, aimed at adults, that could fall into that bracket, yet these things remain available. rap music, horror films, all of these things that have violence or swearing are generally aimed at adults, who are the BBFC that they can tell grown-ups what entertainment they can watch or play? The BBFC are not parents to the country, yes they are there to regulate the entertainment, but that's it. You are not there to deprive GROWN ADULTS entertainment which is aimed at them. I emplore you to lift the ban, and allow Manhunt 2 to be sold in the UK.

Yours truly

Jonathan McEvoy

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This is a second email I sent before any reply:

Dear J L Green,

I was just reading your email again and I stopped again at the part where you say that your classification decisions are made in line with your "published guidelines". Let's go over that shall we?

is the material in conflict with the law? Umm...No.


is the material, at the age group concerned, likely to be harmful? Well...no, because it is aimed at adults who can distinguish fantasy from reality.


is the material, at the age group concerned, clearly unacceptable to broad public opinion? (It is on this ground, for example, that the Board intervenes in respect of language. This ground also applies at '18', although here it is balanced against the public expectation that adults should be free to choose their entertainment, within the law.

Now see that last bit? That bit I have highlighted in bold? That shows that the BBFC are quite clearly hypocrites. You say adults should be free to choose their entertainment, within the law, yet you ban Manhunt 2? You relase things like gay porn, which I know is certified R18, yet you ban Manhunt 2? You do of course see my point? It's one rule for them and another for an adult game.

Yours truly,

Jonathan McEvoy

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I know, makes me look small minded, which I am not honestly. I was just so pissed off that's all.

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I'm on board with your arguement. They're extremley hypocritical, they also seem to have something for Rockstar, near enough every game that they release the BBFC get on their high horse about.

They talk about this country being free which is becoming more un-true as each day passes, the people that died that many years ago in the world wars (god bless) for our country were fighting for freedom. The freedom to choose your entertainment seems to be an idea that isn't logical to our government. Ratings I don't mind, I disagree with them but I can live with them but to ban something and ruining the enjoyment of other is something I will always be against.

Rant over :)

Can one man fight the darkness?

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I think...you're pissing them off. I'd be pissed off if I kept getting letters like that.

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I sure as sh!t hope I am pissing them off, they're sure as hell pissing me off. They aint my parents, who the hell are they to tell us adults what we can and can't watch or play?!?!?

Also let me just say, if the game is released in the UK, cut...then I will not be playing it. Not that Rockstar would lose any sleep over it, but I want it UNCUT or not at all.

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