Why did that Fat Guy get eliminated the first episode without Mystery giving him any training, he just said go in this nightclub and do what you can then he came out and eliminated him, thats unfair the point of this show is to help exactly guys like him yet for needing the most help he got canned without getting a chance
shareWell that's one of the problems I have with this show. It tries to be part competition and part makeover show. However, I will play devil's advocate here. They had to pick someone that was just way too much work to take on. He just had no skills what so ever to improve upon. I think that is how they saw it.
--Will.
Naw i disagree here. If you noticed that that dude's "problem" was that women often thought he way gay. I kinda think he was, and I bet when they (the show's producers and Mystery) got to know him a little more, they found that to be the case. That guy didn't seem at all remotely interested in women, even when that chick came up and was grabbing his chain. He just didn't seem into it. Closeted gay IMO.
shareMaybe closeted gay, maybe not. But I think you are on the right track. He just wasn't into the process at all. His "personality" had to be a joke. They probably knew that going in and never planned to keep him longer than one episode. Honestly, I think they just needed another ugly guy to balance things out.
"There's no such thing as an original sin."
I feel like this show is stupid. So the point of this show is to have the right amount of ineptitude in order to win. Meaning you have to be ugly but not too ugly or you have to be socially awkward but not too socially awkward.
shareThat guy was kicked off because a girl came up to HIM, and he pretty much blew her off. Mystery said (in the first season) that failure was fine. Failure meant you tried, and it was unsuccessful. However, he would not tolerate the lack of trying.
shareYou guys seem to be missing one key point: did it occur to any of you that maybe Alex wasn't desperate for just any woman? Mystery himself I think said either last season or during an interview or something that, as pickup artist, he doesn't want to try to pick up the first woman to come to him. If he was being honest in his reason for eliminating Alex, he's a hypocrite.
shareNot really. The whole point is to get social. If you can't talk to some random woman, even if you are not interested in her, how can you expect to be able to talk to the woman of your life? He didn't have to bring her back to his room and have sex with her. Just open his mouth for Christ's sake.
sharethat dude screamed _a am gay_ in every single way, him blowing off girl interested in him was just one of the signs he is not interested in women in any way shape or form
shareYou guys are overthinking it. The point isn't to help all of these guys, the point is to find the one that learns the fastest and give him a prize. Survivor isn't about teaching everyone to survive, it's about finding the one that learns to survive the quickest.
shareAgain this is why the show is a failed concept. You have to be inept enough to be considered on the show but not too inept. Like this guy was kicked out because he wasn't even trying? Maybe he was too shy or didn't know what to do. That is why you are there Mystery.
shareAlex was kicked off as another poster put it because a girl came up to him and didn't even bother to try to talk to her. Mystery I think took that basically that he didn't really want it hard enough. The other guys at least tried and failed. Kosmo in the first season when he went in for the first time, froze up and didn't do anything and ended up winning, but Kosmo wanted it more and that's why he won.
shareIm really late on this board but I think you guys are defending the show to much. I remember when season on came out and I read a review that basically said the show would be so much better but the producers have it stuck in there mind that a reality show has to be a certain way. This isn't Americas top model its about who makes the biggest and best improvement, in all fairness there shouldn’t be any evictions all contestants should stay until the final show and then the winner is announced or if people MUST be kicked of maybe mystery teaches them all the tricks maybe 5 weeks or so then the next few episodes is about the contests competing against each other to see who can get the most number closes or what ever. The way the show is set up now is just flawed I am pretty sure they claim its about finding the mpua how can u do that if you vote people of before you have taught them everything.
Btw don’t allow yourself to believe mystery has total control over the show- I am pretty sure he didn’t kick the dude of cos he was too much work or what ever reason has been suggested. The producers most likely said we wanna be cruel and eliminate someone on the first episode, just for wow factor and he decided to choose that guy for what ever reason. The whole pua system is based on brotherhood and I would be surprised if mystery was behind that decision
They had to pick someone that was just way too much work to take on.
He just had no skills what so ever to improve upon. I think that is how they saw it.
That guy didn't seem at all remotely interested in women, even when that chick came up and was grabbing his chain.
He just didn't seem into it.In my opinion he seemed like the guy who was most into it. He didn't have field practice, but he knew about peacocking. What he didn't know, was that it put way worse, because he would feel more shy (due that he wasn't in his normal clothes), and peacocking workes negative if you cannot follow up with it. Then you'll look more like a clown, then a guy that's not afraid to stick out from the herd.
His "personality" had to be a joke.
I feel like this show is stupid. So the point of this show is to have the right amount of ineptitude in order to win. Meaning you have to be ugly but not too ugly or you have to be socially awkward but not too socially awkward.
That guy was kicked off because a girl came up to HIM, and he pretty much blew her off. Mystery said (in the first season) that failure was fine. Failure meant you tried, and it was unsuccessful. However, he would not tolerate the lack of trying.
Never try to pick up exotic dancers. Ever. They're their for work and to make money. They are the worst hired guns to ever go after. Just because they show it can be done on television doesn't mean it happens often. In season 1, i think his name was brady, he had a limo in the parking lot. HELLO. What does a Limo equate? MONEY. That's why she gave him a lap dance in there. honestly you'd have a better chance going after the bartender or the drink girls at a strip club rather than a stripper.
Best time to go after an exotic dancer. IS NOT AT THE F'ING STRIP CLUB. They have regular lives to ya know, you might see them at a health food store, a starbucks, bowling alley, club, or bar. That's where you can really talk to them and they wont be a fraction as guarded. How do i know this? I dated a stripper who I met at the bank while waiting in line. Well didn't really date, but I was seeing her and got sex. :P
The scene with the stripper in the car was acted out--not real.
They would have all failed miserably in a strip club, as evidenced by the reactions of the first girl or two they spoke to.
Exactly. I think a better design for the show would have been, rather than a competition where students are eliminated, to have given awards to the students who were best and most improved at the end.
shareI have been in involved in the pick up scene for about 10 years now as an instructor. Mystery and I came out around the same time on the old google boards.
This has always been an obvious stunt he pulls with the hiring good looking instructors, and giving a bigger push to his best looking students. Nothing new in eliminating a fat guy at all. The bottom line is that Mystery was never the "cream" of the pick up community, and he doesn't have much of a method. He is just freaky tall (for charisma with students ala Tony Robbins), has a unique niche specific look, and got himself an agent.
As far as his methods go, well I won't be bias and recommend my own, but you are better off with many many many other "systems" and methods and books etc, simply because the authors main goal wasn't to get on TV. Most other methods were generally designed for ugly guys to use psychological skills to pick up women. So you won't find quite as shallow of a way of dealing with things from most.
Use real psychology to pick up women. No NLP no VH1 BS:
http://www.wayofgun.com/
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