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BOOM MIKES: THE MOVIE


I believe this movie was a revolution for boom mikes. For decades they've had to work behind the scenes while actors hog all the glory, only getting rare cameos in movies like Mission Impossible II and Gothika. But director Dito Montel made the gutsiest move in Hollywood today by allowing boom mikes to share almost the same ammount of screen time as the actors, sometimes getting so close as to almost touch them. And not just that, he's broken the shackles of boom-mike bigotry and hired boom mikes of all colours and shapes! There's grey booms, black booms, even tube-like booms with red caps on them! Surely this is a glorious time to be a boom mike in Hollywood. In fact, in several scenes, there are TWO boom mikes interacting with eachother, and some are even so expertly choreographed to stay in the shot while the actor and camera move! I believe that one day, boom mikes will be treated as equals and will be risen to the same high ranking standards as top Hollywood actors! Finally, after years of being behind the scenes, the boom-mikes are making a comeback!

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Yeah, the movie was crap.

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Isn't that usually the fault of the theater projectionists?

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Not when the mike goes halfway down the friggin screen lol.

But perhaps you are right. Maybe I'll have to watch it when it comes out on DVD just to see.

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If so there are a whole lot of BAD projectionists out there because everyone in Metro Vancouver that saw the movie, regardless of the theatre, got a face full of boom mics and at more than one point, set lighting!

Heck, there are times when you can see six inches of mic and part of the boom pole.

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Well I ask because I had a similar experience with Adventureland at one theater, I mean they had boom mikes dropping all over the place. I'd also heard from some other people who had similar experiences. But I ended up watching it a second time at another theater and I never saw them once throughout the whole movie. I've also seen movies that others have said had an embarassing number of boom mike appearances that I never saw when I viewed that movie at the theater. So I have a hard time believeing that it's actually the movie, though I'm not 100% sure what it could be. Surely there aren't that many poor projectionists out there right?

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Why would you watch Adventureland twice?

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Why wouldn't you watch Adventureland twice? :)

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"Heck, there are times when you can see six inches of mic and part of the boom pole."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ #1 "Sounds Dirty But Isn't" Quote this year

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Are you people serious? Bad projectionists? Good Lord, you have to be joking! Boom mikes getting into the shot happens when the movie is being filmed! It's not more the projectionists fault than it is someone's fault who puts the DVD into their DVD player!

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As A projectionist who gets annoyed every time I see this type of thread, I thank you.

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Yes, bad projectionists. There are certain spaces the frame is supposed to fill, and certain spaces it should run over and not be seen. Take, for instance, when I saw "Epic Movie" in theaters (don't ask). The screen was obviously too high, with the tops of everyone's heads bumping against the very top of the screen, which didn't look right. And then the kicker. There's a scene making fun of 'Narnia' with an animatronic beaver. I know it is animatronic not only because of the signature jerky, non-fluid motion, but because the bottom of the puppet was splayed open, nailed to a wooden platform, and had all of its bells and whistles showing right there on screen. Now, if it was a joke, this is the kind of idiotic movie that would call attention to the obvious wires and platform and say, "Did you know we can see the wires controlling your motions?", or something equally stupid. But no, it was not mentioned, not even meant to be shown. This was a part of the frame that should obviously have been lowered onto the black bottom of the wall, therefore reducing its noticeability. I also saw "The Forgotten" in theaters. This was a classic case of boom cameos. In every scene within an enclosed room, every shot that showed part of the ceiling ended up showing way too much of the ceiling thanks to the projectionist. There were boom mikes EVERYWHERE. They just sit there, the poor technicians having no clue that somewhere out there, there is a SLACKER projectionist who's not giving a crap about the frame and will show how steady a boom operator usually keeps the mike. My aunt, who saw the movie with me, never heard of it before and said after that she knows why she never heard of it, because it was so cheap that it showed the boom mikes in about 60-70 percent of the shots throughout the movie. I tried to assure her that it was just the error of the people at the projection booth, that no movie would get past the director, editor, or producers with that many glaring frame mistakes in it. Both of these instances happened at my local discount theater, where older movies get extended play and you can go see them for about a dollar. This theater should make a killing, but it is notorious for living up to its monetary standards. Nearly every movie I've seen there has been slightly out of focus or improperly framed on the screen. I hate projectionists. I hate the title, which evokes some kind of artistry but it's just a technical job, there's nothing to it, not anymore at least. Just to prove the point, I saw "Fighting" at the dollar, and never once saw a boom mike, and alas! the picture was in focus all the way through. Someone up there was paying attention! One in a million. It IS the projectionist's fault, always.

What if I was to kick the ever-loving *beep* outta ya?

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OK, I can't speak for the poor focusing or what not, but coming from a filmmaker here, IT IS NEVER THE PROJECTIONIST'S FAULT IF YOU SEE BOOM MICS!

Theoretically, if the camera man and boom operator know how to do their job perfectly (and very few do . . . some will always make mistakes), the boom mic will NEVER dip low enough to be caught in frame. Before every new camera set-up (again, theoretically, in a perfect world), the boom op. should check the frame line by seeing just how low they can bring their mic before the camera man can see it. Now, when they DO catch the boom mic in frame, THEORETICALLY the film's director will make a note of it and either choose not to print it, or print it with the intention of digitally editing it out in post if that Take happens to be used. And finally, THEORETICALLY, the editor should be on the look out for all inconsistencies from shot to shot, INCLUDING boom mics dipping into frame, and swap the shot accordingly (or, if they have the budget and there's NO shot worth switching with, digitally edit the boom mic out).

If you are seeing the boom mics on screen in some theaters, but not in others, its because the aspect ratio of the film probably doesn't match the aspect ratio of the screen it is being projected on (as there are numerous projection ratios, with 2.35:1 and 1.85:1 being the most common for theaters in the US), and the entire film doesn't "fit" onto the screen.

Believe me, when a film is made right (from a technical standpoint, that is), you will NEVER see boom mics in frame, no matter how it is projected at the theater!

And for the record, I recognize that projectionist's are capable of cropping as necessary with a "soft matte" for certain films, but if this technique is used to get rid of boom mics in shot, then its a matter of using the soft matte to fix the mistakes made by boom op,, camera man, script supervisor, director, and editor, as opposed to being strictly a mistake by the projectionist.

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Okay, filmmaker, explain why I rented "The Forgotten", the same movie with all the boom shots, and saw absolutely none of those shots on DVD? The frame was perfect, and I saw NO booms or any other embarassing never-seens. I'm calling your b*llsh*t. You may have been some $8/hr grip on a backwoods indie project once, but I'm telling you, this movie is in 1.85:1, and the screen at the discount theater is 2:1. It was a framing mistake by the projection operator. And don't say they edited them out post-post-production for the DVD, it would have been on the movie's goof page. I guarantee that the only people to see the boom mikes for that movie were the poor souls subjected to the discount theater's retarded employees.

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"Isn't that usually the fault of the theater projectionists?"

You're joking right? Its ok, another poster gave you sh*t for this.

It's Cute, How You Think I'm Listening

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Well I finally saw it and I saw no boom mikes at all, and believe me I was looking, as the movie itself was incredibly boring.

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Yet another example of a 1.85:1 "flat" film that will reveal boom microphones if run ever so slightly out of frame. The screening I saw was slightly out of frame at the top and I did too notice them. Sounds like your screening was ridiculously out of frame. You can tell for sure by the previews and rolling stock and report any problems to "someone" on the outside.

I saw a curious one appear from the extreme right of the frame at about twenty minutes in, but it was so quick that I couldn't quite tell if it was outside the 1.85 area or not.

In the day where everything is run through a digital intermediate, I'm surprised that the labs simply hard-matte (akin to letterboxing) the print to 1.85, which then gets masked off by the projector. If it's out of frame, you see black border. Simple as that. I believe Universal does this now on most, if not all, their 1.85 flat films (I Love You Man and Role Models were).

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Using this so-called hard-matte to put the film INTO a 1.85:1 size (and thus crop out dipping boom mics) wouldn't apply to most 1.85:1 films today, and here's why . . .

The vast majority (at least, in the US), of films that are shot with the intention of a 1.85:1 format are done so using an anamorphic lens. What this means is that they take regular, 4 perf 35mm film to shoot on and use a special lens that "squeezes" that picture horizontally, so you effectively get a wider picture within the 4 perf space. When projected (with another special lens to widen it back out), it already comes out at a ratio of 1.85:1. So from there, if you try to matte out any boom mics that dip into frame, you're actually shrinking down the size of the picture vertically when it was already at 1.85:1 to begin with.

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Please read the following before making yourself look like an idiot ever again if you post this in 4564065 movies you will see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_matte

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Sounds like Very Bad Things. The boom mike there had more screen time then any of the actors.

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im a projectionist.....and its our fault he you see the boom mic more then once in a film.If its a "flat"movie...we have to frame it so you dont see it.If its a scope movie its really just frame it so you dont see the lines from the top and bottoms.Get your money back or go tell the management as soon as you see it so it doesnt ruin your movie.Alot of times we press start and walk away,after we frame it.Sometimes the trailers are framed different so what looks fine when i start it might be framed different for the rest of the movie

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Then there are horrible projectionists everywhere, because this was the first things my friends complained about when they got back from the movie.

"This is the way the world ends, not with a whimper, but with a bang..."

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Well at least I'm not the only one who had this problem, and at least now I know why. Thanks for the input!

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HIL_ *beep*

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This sir is the funniest post i have read in awhile. "TWO boom mikes interacting . . ." killed it.

*Nice kid, bright boy. What balls on this *beep* kid. The next day I fired him.*

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That is so hilarious. I am very glad imdb exists to answer questions like this because I was going crazy wondering what the hell kind of editor let this slip through.

"People like you are the reason people like me need medication"

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