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The chess was fairly realistic EXCEPT


There were surprisingly realistic elements to the chess, but the one canard always seen in movies about chess was unfortunately present here as well: games playing through to checkmate. In real life, high level and even medium level players (meaning just plain amateurs who don't play tournaments but play reasonably well with their friends) can see when their position is hopeless, and they resign the game rather than playing it out. And if a game is played out for some reason (as when playing against a computer that won't resign), it will usually end with getting a pawn across and then checkmating a lone king with a mostly empty board.

The argument I suppose filmmakers would make is that casual watchers expect to see checkmates. But do people really watch slow-moving French dramas about chess without having a modicum of understanding of the game? And is it really so much less dramatic to show the losing player wilting under the pressure, frustrated, as he knocks over his king (signifying that he resigns)? I don't think so.

Now, another realistic element of chess is that between strong players, many or even most games are drawn (tied). THAT I can understand not showing repeatedly, although one or two quick appearances of draws would have been nice.

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I actually thought you were going to mention that the players were making their moves far faster than real players would (except in the Blitz game). That is another convention of movie chess designed to not make people sit and watch someone stare at a board for minutes at a time.


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Don't forget about the ridiculous staring and smirking at your opponent after you've made what you think is a killer move! Cliches abound for chess! It's rare to see chess on the big screen played realistically, where the player just says, "Yeah, I resign. I'm gonna lose too much material." In one Columbo episode about a chessmaster, a game between 2 masters was being played and the one master tells the other how he's going to win...and THAT was realistic and good (and a real position!), but in the next scene, the master loses to Scholar's Mate in a simul, because Columbo distracts him. HA HA HA that would never happen.

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I agree, except I think if you give them a pass on the checkmate thing you pretty much have to do the same on taking pieces.

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I enjoyed the movie, but I suppose there's no getting around unrealistic elements when chess is portrayed on film. The notion that someone can learn the game, and within just a few months win their very first tournament against serious players (without losing a single round, mind you) requires some suspension of disbelief. I also thought it was inaccurate to show Helene and the Dr. taking chess notation for a casual fifteen minute game played at home. Small gripes, to be sure. I'm grateful for this pleasant little film that shines a loving light on the art and science of chess.

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I still don't see why they can't show players resigning. To me that is still potentially dramatic. There is always going to be a point where the player who is losing still hopes to salvage a draw: you can show beads of sweat forming as they stare at the board, trying to find a way out, their time clock ticking away...and then a sigh of disgust as they knock over their king and perhaps stand up and walk away with shoulders slumped. The idea of "oh look, it's checkmate!" is just completely goofy.

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It's a very difficult game to dramatize for film. They did have a couple of resignations. Overall I think they did a reasonable job for a movie, except for the fact that they (deliberately I'm sure) avoided showing us much of the chess being played at all. Much simpler that way I guess, but frustrating for keen players of the game.🐭

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