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Did Kroger / Kevin Kline say what he said for a reason? / Spoiler


Spoiler below. Don't read if you don't want to know this key plot point.

Kroger gives Helene a letter to give to an important man associated with the chess match. In the letter, he identifies Helene merely as his cleaning woman.

Did Kroger do that in order to make the man underestimate Helene, the better for her to beat him at chess?

they never say as much in the film...

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I wondered about this too.

I think he did it to light a fire under her. To make her passionate about chess.

Does she want to be just a cleaning lady for the rest of her life? Or does she also want to be a good/professional chess player.

She was very scared and unsure of herself when she went to meet with the chess guy. But after that incident, she was all of a sudden very passionate about winning the chess tournament.

I think that was his plan.

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Yes, I think he did exactly that.

He knew how both played. He knew that Helene had a tendency to doubt herself. He also knew that his friend leaned toward being over confident. So he tipped the scale toward Helene.

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I like that explanation.

My initial impression was that, having feelings for her, he was uncomfortable that she was prepared to move on to new horizons and, perhaps unconsciously, wanted to take her down a notch. Or that he had bought into her idea of herself as "just a maid", and that only when this idea was mirrored back to her did it stir up indignation.

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Okay, that's understandable and I totally agreed. But, why did he have to be such a jerk in the beginning, before they played chess? I know that his character supposed to be a grumpy and somewhat strange social-outcast-middle-aged-widower; but, why all the uncivilized and condescended attitude toward her when she was "just" his cleaning lady? Even if he was in grief (of the lost of his wife), he still shouldn't mistreat his domestic helper in such undignified manner/tone of voice, especially, when he was the educated one who supposed to be with higher moral ground and social etiquette. I find that his behavior was abhorrent and unnecessary for the character, especially when her character was just the complete opposite. Therefore, it's completely unbelievable and hard to swallow when his behavior just instantly changed 180 degree when she offered to clean for free in exchange for chess lessons. It's just unconvincing and very fake to watch such a improbable character development.

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I didn't even think about that being a motivation for Kroger to write that. It was like a psychological, strategic chess move so to speak.

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... they never say as much in the film...
No they don't spell it out, but I thought this was strongly suggested by Kroger in the film.🐭

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