Naomi Klein is a liar


I used to believe that woman when I was young and just didn't know better. Then I realised she is a big con artist. She is an international brand herself and her books are globalised products with logos on them.

I looked into No Logo and it was packed with lies.

Then I saw how badly she lied in The Shock Doctrine. It wasn't a case of her making mistakes. You can't possibly make mistakes with Milton Friedman. He's the most liberal minded defender of our freedom from big government. Naomi Klein literally did wait for him to die before she could write a whole book full of lies about him that he could not defend himself from. Her attack on Friedman is an attack on liberty and an attack on people in poor countries who want the same freedoms as us.

It was no surprise to find out she is a socialist. She doesn't deny it and she uses the word democracy often but her real intentions are to transform the free world into a socialist big government dictatorship with her in some major position. Self-absorbed, unenlightened, deceptive. That is what she is.

Read about her lies here and then watch Milton Friedman speak for himself (and our freedom) in a very easy to understand manner.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9384

http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/html/bp102/bp102index.html

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=9626

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C508C05C017CEC8E

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I think you exaggerate your statement about Naomi Klein.
On the other hand you say that people in poor countries want the same freedoms that you do, I'm sure they do, but I'm also sure that neoliberalism, the ideology of Friedman is not the way to achieve those freedoms.

Look at China, it has followed Friedman's policies in many ways and we can't call it a democracy. Look at Pinochet in Chile, he managed to impose the ideas of the Chicago Boys through a ruthless dictatorship, and the rest of Latin America is struggling to actually stop following Friedman's ideas, because they have proven to be beneficial mainly to the wealthy classes and to the foreign corporations, usually not for indigenous people, peasants, factory workers and not even for small and medium business owners.

Friedman's ideas are utopian. The ongoing world economic crisis is the biggest proof that corporations interests and the interests of common people are not always in harmony. Even Newsweek says that the US is socialist now, and I don't think it means any kind of totalitarian dicatorship, it simply states that many of Friedman's ideas have to be set aside because they haven't worked.

The freedom of the corporation is not necessarily the freedom of the common man.

And by the way, not everyone in the world want's to the live like the US, many people are proud of their own ways and traditions. There are many truths in the world.

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Well, you're wrong. But in a very basic way.

I noticed, that people today, along with avability-everwhere-intertent are experts in everything. Your problem is with understanding basic terms. Go to library i educate. What is socialism, what is communism, what is democracy and what is republic (US political system).

Next, read about capitalism (system, that was US economic system till XX century), corporationism and fascism. When you are sure, that you read and understood, read what You have written :)

If somebody is saying, that Friedman's ideas are utopian, he don't know NOTHING AT ALL about history of USA. For almost 200 years America was Friedman's dream. America was capitalist. No corporations, because private industry could not buy laws from government - becouse government was restricted to minimum by legislation.

Finally - to the point. Noways as a economic system in UE and USA dominates corporationism. This is SOOO DIFFRENT from capitalism! Capitalism is dead for 100 years now, killed by politicians, corporations and labor unions.

Secondly - I'm from Poland, I know what socialism is. If somebody believes, that socialism is about government helping people, he doesn't know history at all. Socialism ALWAYS in history ended in bloodshed and dictatorship.

Period.

As for Naomi - she makes so much errors in "No Logo" and "Shock doctrine", that she is just funny in her "writing":) Anybody, who ever had read some books (spent time for his own education, before mainstream media will do it), will just laugh.

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you can't say socialism always ends in bloodshed, that makes you sound very stupid, that's like saying guns kill people. anyone who believes they have the intellect to lecture people should know enough to realize it is not the political structure at fault but the people manipulating and bending it to their will.
you mention it in relation to the warping of capitalism by calling it a new entity, corporationism, but you do not seem to see that is the same as what happened to socialism when it was enacted so far, it has only been a raping of the system with corrupt people running it so far.
Reform is the answer in my opinion, in the Election system, Education systems and Media reform in relation to ownership and regulation is probably essential also.

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you don't understand what socialism is. you seem to be confusing it with communism - they are not the same thing.
socialism doesn't mean a dictatorship.

unfortunately you are not alone in your view. it seems that socialism has become a dirty word in america with a lot of people (though not all). i believe this has its roots in the work by edward bernays(the father of PR) who on behalf of big corporations, propagated the idea of socialism being un-american and attaching capitalism to the idea of being american.

also, tell all the dead and their relatived in countries like chile and argentina that friedman economics were a good thing. just because it has 'free' in the name doesn't mean it's necessarily good.

i could write a lot against what you are saying but as it's imdb i don't feel it's the place, nor do i feel that you would fully grasp any of the concepts since i don't feel you really understand what you're talking about in your own post.

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are you stupid? you give us examples from none other than the CATO INSTITUTE??!!
she is a socialist, so what? is that a crime? do you know what it is? where do you live?
can you name one single lie?
milton friedman defender of liberties? you are joking right?
my god... you are a poor poor person...

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The book is completely consistent with everything that I've read about the Washington Consensus and Milton Friedman, and I've read a few dozen books on the subject.

You mainly attack her and not her argument, which is not terribly impressive.

Also, you seem to be grasped by a lot of confusion about political terms.

"Socialism" is not antithetical to democracy. Quite the contrary. It involves ideas about the role of the central government in relation to the economy. Perhaps the most aggressively hyper capitalist government of the past hundred years was Hitler's Germany, which was anti-democratic and totalitarian. Or look at a long string of Latin American hype-capitalist governments that are anti-democratic and totalitarian.

It is troubling to me that people don't want to take the trouble to learn about political theory, but instead just throw terms around in inept and clumsy ways. Like equating "freedom" with a free market. In many economies that are completely dedicated to the "free market" (which, btw, has never existed) there is far less individual freedom than in countries with socialist elements in their government. The Scandinavian countries all have more socialist elements in their governments than the U.S., yet they are freer than the U.S., have vastly higher per capita wealth, and enjoy a much higher standard of living than in the U.S.

Most people are deeply confused about political theory. I'll give a couple of examples relevant to political economy. You write -- as many do -- as if there is some innate connection between socialism and totalitarianism. Actually, totalitarianism can be pro- or anti-capitalist or pro- or anti-socialist. It can be ultra-right wing or ultra-left wing or ultra-moderate (though most totalitarian governments of the past century have been right wing).

Another example: there is absolutely no connection between advocacy of a democratic form of government and capitalism. None. Zilch. Nada. For instance, Karl Marx was a passionate opponent of totalitarian forms of government, did not believe in a strongly centralized government, and was a passionate advocacy of democracy. Though I've found that very few people want to know what Marx actually said about anything. Though I will also concede that CAPITAL (I've made it only through Vol. 1) and the GRUNDRISSE are very, very tough books to read.

If there is a thinker that people take less time to read than Marx, it is Adam Smith. I've found that almost no one who throws his name around like a mantra knows anything about him. For instance, they don't seem to know that Smith assumed that government would enforce moral limitations on what could take place in a market economy (Smith talked of the market rather than capitalism, the latter, of course, a word coined by Karl Marx). Adam Smith also did not believe in "the Invisible Hand," as so many assume. He did not think that the market was infallibly guided by an Invisible Hand through the miraculous coordination of people pursuing their own self-interested goals. What he actually said was that people pursuing their own selfish ends DID NOT ALWAYS RESULT in unfortunate results, as if an Invisible Hand were guiding them. Most importantly, Smith felt that government should place limits on the workings of the market. In fact, Smith very strongly insisted that people actually engaged in the market should not serve in government. Those actually engaged in making money through trade were, he felt, unable to ignore their own selfish interests. They were too self-interested to make good representatives in government. (Many of the Founders of the U.S. felt this as well and it represented a great strain in a society where few people were unable to support themselves except through trade. But while they did not codify this in the constitution -- and thank god that they didn't, since the notion was Utopian -- the Founders did feel that if people were involved in the market, they shouldn't serve in government; Benjamin Franklin did not become involved in political matters until after retiring from his printing business in his early forties.) Instead, Smith felt that only members of the landed aristocracy who got their money from their rents should serve in government. OK, this strikes us as weird today, but my point is that people assume that Adam Smith and Milton Friedman (whose own understanding of Smith came filtered through Ludwig von Mises and other Austrian economists) see eye to eye on things. They do not. Friedman's views are profoundly colored by European, not American, thinkers.

So please go do your homework before spewing nonsense. And don't spout completely absurd things like attacking Friedman is attacking liberty! The opposite is the case.

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Nicely said Robert. Only intelligent repsonse on this post.

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Don't feed the troll.

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Haha, feeding the troll indeed, good call; attempting to educate people of that mindset will surely result in a troll like response.

I agree with most of the retorts here, but please, at least try to use proper grammar when making a political argument. Failing to do so often delegitimizes your argument as it distracts the reader from your point and allows them to question your intelligence purely based on poor grammar and spelling.

I'm not saying I have perfect grammar and spelling and there are probably errors in this comment, but at least I tried. Also, I am familiar with the "this is only the internet, who cares about grammar and spelling?" argument.

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LOL! Milton Friedman and The Cato institute (Libertarian think tank) are used to
counter Naomi Klein.

Yeah you tell'em. Next up... Rush Limbaugh counters Gloria Steinem LOL!

That's funny.


"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." – Benjamin Franklin

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I live in a developing country, what makes you think I want your "freedom"?

People like Friedman and his no intervention theories were the reason why we were in the trash can less than a decade ago. They don't work. Empirically proven. Countries are full of people who can't be used as economic guinea pigs. Period.

Statements such as "socialism = dictatorship" just go to prove how ignorant you are and your gratituous use of words.

"That was a courtesy flush. I'm not actually done yet"

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