Why do people hate the 3rd game?
I keep reading this on the net. Why do people hate the 3rd game and its ending so much?
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Mostly because in the lead up to the games' release, we were told that all our decisions through the saga would have an impact on how things went at the very end. (To be slightly fair, decisions impact the story in 3, as you go along, but not in any huge way; just for the character/story angle)
What we got was basically a Deus ex machina ending, where suddenly three decisions are offered that have nothing to do with how you played the game, are very similar in their end result, run counter to everything Shepard stands for & fought for, for the last three games (And Shepard doesn't even protest these options for some dumb reason?) and finally, that none of these endings are a #good/happy# ending for Shepard.
Of course, the DLC gave us an option to reject these endings, but this just leads to an uncontested victory... for the reapers.
Better to have what you don't need, than need what you don't have. - my proverb.
Gee sounds like the devs got ahead of themselves and screwed up the game/story badly... Riding on the success of the first two so that they didn't have to make a quality product.
shareTo be fair it was also because A: The original ending was apparently leaked, prompting the writers to change it (which turned out much worse than it could have been) and B: EA rushed Bioware to get the game out before it was ready. This is also why half of the Javik character is missing from the disk, causing people to have to pay for DLC for a character that was supposed to be included in the game. It just got so so sloppy.
And don't get me started on the lazy pathetic reveal of Tali's face.
See that STINKS......... If they can't do something right why should you have to pay money to download something that should be free...... That stinks
shareFunny; this reminds me of the SNAFU that was KOTOR 2. Obsidian, the designers said emphatically 'April', but Lucasarts demanded 'Christmas!'. Ta Daa: four-fifths of a game.
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BioWare crew who worked on ME, including the writers, are very angry that everything they set up for the ending was discarded last minute by the project manager, Casey Whatshisname. Apparently he overruled everyone and just made them slap his own idea on instead, which is what we ended up with. Even with the ability to produce the extended cut, I understand they had to work within the framework of the existing crap ending.
DLC is mostly always decided and developed well in advance of the initial release.
While the devs and coders themselves love adding extra bits, the whole point of DLC is basically cutting the slow moving, non-essential parts of the development out, refining them once the main game is out and then making money off it. BioWare's DLC is usually OK and I like extra missions that add to Single Player.
Tali's face - You mean the suicide bit?
I dunno... Kinda hard to do that without losing the whole mystery of what Quarians look like under there, I guess... Or if you mean the photo of her on the bedside table, perhaps that's intended as an optional reveal for those that want it?
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I think the Tali-reveal complaints are mostly that it's just some photo-shopped image of some random model, which doesn't make any kind of sense to how Tali would appear. I mean, the image shows Tali, outside of her suit, with long flowing hair.
A) If she took off her entire suit it would probably kill her unless she was somewhere completely sterile.
B) Where'd all that hair come from, since it clearly isn't bulked up under her helmet.
and C) She looks awfully like a carbon-copy of a human. Again, the hair being an oddity for me, since we're the only species in the entire game that actually has hair. Not even the Varren share that with us.
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A) Perhaps it was a sterile booth (complete with CGI backgrounds) that Quarians specifically have for taking passport photos and the like? :-D
B) You'd be surprised how much hair you can get under a swim-cap!
C) Yeah, well, how often do people actually look *anything* like the photos on their dating profile, ha ha!!
Oh, and I like how they cropped the pic down to show just two fingers, utterly forgetting what shape a Quarian hand actually has - Always loved it when that Quarian general woman (I forget her name) does the 'Bunny Ears' gesture with her 3-digit hands! :-D
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A) She obviously was in a sterile environment. I can't believe so many people didn't think of that. I'm sure the Quarians would want pictures of each other.
B) I would be surprised that any Quarian would want long hair in those suits. Tali mentions how hot those suits can get. Adding long hair to the mix is quite unpleasant. I have waist length hair and I can tell you, it's a pain in the butt trying to get all that hair in a hat in the winter. Not to mention how sweaty it gets after you do manage to get it all in there.
C) I don't have that hard of a time with Tali's photo. I think no matter what they came up with, someone would be disappointed. You can't please all of the people all of the time.
What you call discovery, I call the rape of the natural world.
I'm not so sure about Quarians taking pictures of each other; since wouldn't that be strange, since nobody who isn't like, Matriarch asari can remember what they looked like. Implying nobody's ever even seen such photos...
My biggest problem with it was simply that she looks so... human.
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I'm thinking more along the lines of family pictures. I don't think Tali is the first Quarian ever to have a photo taken of herself. Quarians leave their family behind to go to a new ship after their pilgrimage. I find it hard to believe that not one family has a picture of their child, or not one child has a picture of their parents. Just because Shep hasn't personally met anyone who can describe what a Quarian looks like, doesn't mean there is no one out there who can.
I agree with you about her looking human. The picture was a complete cop-out. The only difference between the model they used and "Tali" was the lines they drew on Tali's neck, which probably took them all of 5 minutes to do. There was absolutely no thought and no work put into the Tali reveal. Considering everything else that was wrong in the end game, I guess Tali is just a small part of that. Considering how popular the Tali character is/was, I can't believe they thought the fans would be thrilled with what they did.
What you call discovery, I call the rape of the natural world.
I dunno about family photos; though, like you say: we only get a small cross section of the galactic community. But then, doesn't Tali say in 2, something along the lines that she'd never seen her father's face?
"There's no white bird here, Bigwig!"
But why would a leak be a problem? Stuff gets leaked all the time. Why change the whole frigging ending because of a stupid leak?
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