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No sympathy for Mary Griffith.


I first heard about the movie when it originally aired but just got around to seeing it on repeat yesterday afternoon.

Perhaps I'm in the minority but I came away from it feeling nothing but anger towards the Sigourney Weaver character. I tried very hard to see a silver lining but in the end could not. I mean how sick was this woman? She *willfully* drove her child to kill himself. She knew he was incredibly depressed because of what she was making him do.

She IMO was not fit to a parent. She is a murderer. The end scene where she hugged the gay teen who reminded her of her child...was that supposed to make up for what she did? I mean, hello! She was so awful she might as well have been driving that truck that hit him.

I also understand that she no longer feels this way. I understand that she is now enlightened and that is a wonderful thing. On other hand, look at the Manson girls. They have apologized for killing Sharon Tate. Do we look at them with pity?

Let her story be a lesson: unconditional love is rule #1 for parents. If you are not ready to shower your children in it, then you should just have an abortion. You are clearly not ready to have kids. As a young woman, Mary Griffith was one such person.

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Very good post, said it better than I could.

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Very well said woogie ... I hope that the OP has gotten a chance to read what you wrote.

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Movie sucked. Booring. No one cares about this crap anymore.

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Gee, i can see your a compassionate person. It's my reality, so I care.

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I co-sign to an extent except...I felt close to nothing for her until she spoke at that meeting for Gay Freedom day.....it was beautiful and I started to think it's not up to me to be as mad at her as I am because well in the end if her family didn't disown her for being so pushy and intolerant which made Bobby decide to kill himself then well to a degree I kind of feel who am I you know?

What's more dangerous than sincere ignorance?

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I dont agree with homosexuality.

But if a person cant stop being gay, but they still accept Christ as the saviour, they will see heaven.

Actually somebody who is perfect, straight, dos everythnig right, but rejects Jesus, has more chance of seeing hell.

I was actually anti-gay before i became Christian, now I am not saying a fully understand or think its right, But it seems to be, forcing people to be unhappy like his Mother did or actually going out with your "God hates fags", its more against the teachings of the Bible than somebody being "gay"

and no, before somebody says, "im trying wrongly interperet the bible to suit modern life", I am not, didnt say I agreed with homosexuality, but i am saying, hatred, forcing the ideals on them and condemning them sinners is against what Christ taught!, read it yourself if you dont believe, the core text actually supports people who show kindness to all, rather than those who shout "sinner" and "Burn in hell"

Peace out.

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Well Englandizer, I'm gay and can't stop being so because I was born that way. However I don't believe there is a god so I'm not accepting anyone as my saviour and not going to heaven because I also believe there is no such thing.

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"The most horrible thing about Christianity (and most hard core religions, actually) is that it is all brainwashing. That's important to understand. Sigourney Weaver's character believed what she had been brainwashed as a child to believe; homosexuality is a sin and you're going to hell for it. It's changeable. It's perverted. It's evil. When this is repeated over and over and over again in church and prayer camp and Bible camp and dinner prayer, kids will stick with it, even if they don't know WHY they believe it."

I agree, because it's what I was taught growing up as well. However, after 18 years of being a homophobe, and nine more years of accepting my gay friends, but not accepting homosexuality (but wishing it was okay), I've finally decided to accept the whole enchilada.

I felt like a hypocrite acting like I accepted it (I think I really did in my heart) and then turning around and saying I didn't behind closed doors.
I hated how it made me feel.

I was raised Baptist, and now consider myself Progressive. I now feel like I can accept my LGBT friends with my whole heart without holding anything back.
It's a great feeling, but it's also really lonely.
I live in Kentucky and my husband does not agree with my new views.
He's not homophobic my any means, but he feels like he can't accept homosexuality completely because of what the Bible says.

I am aware of what the Bible says about gay sex, but I also believe that those verses have been misinterpreted for centuries. So many Christians take those verses at face value, and they don't take into account the context in which they were written.
I believe that some verses (like half of Leviticus) applied to the times, but don't apply to today's society.
I'm reading Exodus now and today I read about slavery. Well people don't own slaves nowadays so those verses don't apply now.

However, some people would say "then if they don't apply, then why not throw them out?"
My opinion on them is, that instead of throwing them out, that they should be looked at as history.
The history of Judaism and the history of Christianity.

My husband mostly goes by the verse in the New Testament that says "homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven."
But what about John 3:16?
That's kind of a contradiction, isn't it?

Anyway, that's my two cents.
P.S. I didn't mean to paint my husband in a negative light...he's a wonderful man, really. He was raised even more traditionally than I was, and he's been trying to get above his upbringing. He's so smart, and I wish he could see it the way I do.


-Amanda


"She will remember your heart when men are fairy tales in storybooks written by rabbits"

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I was taught from a young age by both the christian church and my family that being gay was bad. That didn't keep me from coming out as soon as I moved out on my own which was not long after I figured out what being gay was all about.

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Actually somebody who is perfect, straight, dos everythnig right, but rejects Jesus, has more chance of seeing hell.


I'm sorry but do you realise how perverted this train of thought is? Religion is a crutch to make people behave in a decent way. Unfortunately it often does the opposite because people, who form a religion in the end, are not perfect. But this whole rejecting Jesus crap drives me up the wall. How sick is someone who thinks that a person who is an atheist or believes in something spiritual other than Jesus is going to hell if he/she is a good person, compassionate, sensible, kind, helps others? I mean WTF? What about all those people who lived without knowledge of the Western world for centuries? Don't people realise how idiotic that "if you don't believe in God/Jesus even if you don't know him" nonsense is? As if God, in his wisdom, would call people sinners and would need to forgive them for something they can't know because the faith in him is a culural phenomenom far away from them! Argh!

Don't get me wrong, I think it is great that you are okay with gay people since you became a Christian. But are you also okay with gay people or anyone else who is not a Christian but a perfectly fine person?

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No one can stop being gay


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She can't change her past... The only thing she can do is educate other parents, so that they may not make the same mistake she did...

Forgiveness is a powerful instrument.... Do we look at people who do bad things with pity? Well, you feel sorry for Bobby, right? He killed himself... Which IS a bad thing... If you can forgive him for that, can you not forgive his mother for what she did? Most of the bad things we (non-criminal types) do, we do out of ignorance and/or fear... We're human.... We unfortunately are susceptible to those things... And when we leave them unchecked, they make us do things we wouldn't normally do. Such is the case with Mary. Should she be forgiven? Yes. She had a moment (maybe it was longer than a "moment" but in comparison to her life, it was a moment in time), where she was ignorant and fearful.. We all have them. Do we not deserve sympathy? Well then why doesn't Mary deserve any? It's not the magnitude of the act, it's the level of remorse that matters. She didn't mean to drive him to suicide... But she's sorry, and clearly she wont be doing it again, to anyone's child.. For that reason, yes, she deserves forgiveness.

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agreed. Shame.

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Perhaps I'm in the minority but I came away from it feeling nothing but anger towards the Sigourney Weaver character. I tried very hard to see a silver lining but in the end could not. I mean how sick was this woman? She *willfully* drove her child to kill himself. She knew he was incredibly depressed because of what she was making him do.


She's HUMAN...we all make mistakes and do things we regret, which is why we need Christ Jesus.

Don't forget, this was the late 70's, and attitudes toward the GLBT community were not as liberal as they are today. Judge not lest ye be judged.

"This is a faithful saying...Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief."

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