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Woke Witch makes a Woke movie!


Olivia Wilde Needs to Be in Charge https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/olivia-wilde-needs-to-be-in-charge

Olivia Wilde has come a long way from the teenager who played the bratty, bisexual bad girl on The O.C. Today, she’s a full-blown movie star who directed the award-winning comedy Booksmart, and this fall will level up with Don’t Worry Darling, a Slim Aarons–inspired erotic thriller starring Florence Pugh and Wilde’s real-life boyfriend Harry Styles. Someone who knows what life is like on both sides of the camera is The Lost Daughter director Maggie Gyllenhaal, who met Wilde at a Paris hotel to talk all about it.
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WILDE: Terrifying. We based that character on this insane man, Jordan Peterson, who is this pseudo-intellectual hero to the incel community. You know the incels?

GYLLENHAAL: No.

WILDE: They’re basically disenfranchised, mostly white men, who believe they are entitled to sex from women.

GYLLENHAAL: Oh, right.

WILDE: And they believe that society has now robbed them—that the idea of feminism is working against nature, and that we must be put back into the correct place.

GYLLENHAAL: Well, they must be psyched. Things are going really well for them.

WILDE: Yeah, they’re actually succeeding in many different ways. But this guy Jordan Peterson is someone that legitimizes certain aspects of their movement because he’s a former professor, he’s an author, he wears a suit, so they feel like this is a real philosophy that should be taken seriously.

GYLLENHAAL: Wow.

WILDE: Yeah. But it was a dream to work with all these evolved men on this movie who understood what we were trying to say.

GYLLENHAAL: It doesn’t feel pedantic or overly simplistic.

WILDE: Good. I wanted it to be a hot movie that’s a good time and that if later it leads to some conversations, that’s great. But I was trying to create that world of Slim Aarons’s version of 1950s, ’60s Palm Springs, and so, as a female director, it was quite funny for me to be the one saying, “I need more bikinis, more tans. I want everybody sexy, sexy, sexy.”

GYLLENHAAL: There’s a scene with all the women saying goodbye in the morning to the guys in their cars—it’s very stylized, and Florence is in a man’s white shirt, so it’s a trope and a fantasy cliché. But because I know it’s directed by you, that’s a part of my viewing of the movie, so I was like, “How is this going to come back around and be bigger than this image of this hot girl in her boyfriend’s shirt?” And then when that same shot does come back later when you have way more information, you’re like, “Yes, I was waiting for it!” It’s very satisfying.
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WILDE: Well, Busby Berkeley fascinates me because he was, first of all, a really complicated figure in his own life and had a lot of issues with women. And he, to me, kind of defined beauty in the most misogynistic way possible.

GYLLENHAAL: Yeah, legs, legs, legs.

WILDE: And complete uniformity, homogeny, women as one mechanism working together, predictable and completely without individual power. He turned them into machines, as a group of 60 dancers who had to be so precise. To work with him, apparently, was murder. He would torture these dancers, but what it created was so beautiful. So the idea was, we love to watch Busby Berkeley films and yet, when you look beyond just the beauty, it’s like, “How punishing, and also how problematic as a message.”

GYLLENHAAL: It’s like the platonic example of objectification.

WILDE: Exactly.

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probably a pretentious woke movie , looks well made though

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That is what I am wondering. If people want to see that then good for them. I don't want to so I am deciding whether to go to this or not?

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please don't "support" it financially. its helps send a message to make entertainment, not politics.
thanks!
wait for the free streaming in a couple months

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So I gather you are basically saying it is politics?
I have Regal Unlimited so it would not cost to see it.
What do you think?

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certainly see it if you want to. I have read all the spoilers for this one and about the 3rd act success or not, and I PERSONALLY would not recommend it. I'll catch it on free streamers later on, but pretty sure the reviews are accurate.

I cant call it all political or not, without revealing spoilers. so, its up to you. :)

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Isn't it weird that Gyllenhaal had her big break by being spanked and humiliated in that Secretary movie? Cockburn wants more sex in her movie and she leaves her partner for the star of her film. Yuck! I hope this bimbo's movies flop so she goes away.

Cockburn is calling a PHD a pseudo-intellectual? Cockburn doesn't have a degree so I find it odd that she is dismissive of a PHD.

Cockburn is also making light of the life's work of Busby Berkeley. Berkeley made a bunch of movies in the thirties with showgirls choreography and musical numbers. I don't watch that stuff BUT it's an impressive form of art. He even collaborated with the talented Esther Williams on her cool water ballet movies.

http://loveletterstooldhollywood.blogspot.com/2018/01/the-mermaid-and-madman.html

https://youtu.be/druwpau_LcM * Berkeley movie clips *

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the guys who worked on her film were "evolved men"

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Who spit on each other in public.

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we did it all the time in the dugout during high school baseball games,
this is a perfectly normal male sports team ritual

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Interesting how calling out incels seems to make you upset. I wonder why.

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You mean Olivia making up stupid rhetoric is calling out incels. Did you know she is a moron? That Peterson guy says more truth in a couple sentences than she will comprehend in her lifetime. She won't listen or understand. But she loves profiting in the system men built for her to.
And I'm no incel. But he is correct and she is whiney bitch not living in the real world.

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"Did you know she a moron?"

I no know that.

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That fact that you take her seriously proves you are also an idiot!

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I'm sorry, was I supposed to take a stranger on a movie chat website seriously instead?

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In terms of sexual politics, we do need more empathy. The most desirable women in the world (like Wilde) will never achieve parity with their male counterparts, yet incels celebrate when "chads" abuse and discard women ("that's what you get"). While Wilde's going after Peterson, she's punching down at the "disenfranchised" men he champions.

Also, it's a mistake to think the idea of feminism is what's driving sexual inequality (as Peterson's followers often do). Feminism is borne out of technological changes, mostly The Pill. Technologies allow women to delay pregnancy, and to participate in the post-industrial labor force, one that prioritizes a brain over a strong back. In a mature market system, more and more gains accrue to people at the top, and inequality widens. Ironically, the people espousing conservative politics call for what has been termed "sexual Marxism" (everybody gets one spouse), whereas feminists tend to call for a free market (free love). Wilde sees the men who monopolize society's attention and resources. They're highly visible, but vanishingly few.

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Meaning: don't bad mouth the film you made, or alienate 50% of your potential audience by being a dick to them.

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It looks like the movie will have a $20m weekend on a $35m budget. That sounds like a success. I don't know what the studio was expecting for this period piece, but Wilde did more than anyone to drive a lot of publicity, most of it coming at the expense of her own reputation. The CinemaScore is a B-minus, so it's not a movie that resonates with paying audiences. It should drop significantly.

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"While Wilde's going after Peterson, she's punching down at the "disenfranchised" men he champions."

I'm sure that anyone who attacks Peterson makes his followers feel threatened, even though they themselves are not being attacked.

Which brings up the larger question - how do you attack a bad belief system, without making the believers feel attacked? Is that possible?

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One could say Peterson's simply using them for his own enrichment or aggrandizement. Would they still feel threatened? Probably. Debunking lies does not endear the faithful to the debunker. Anyway, while there are incels who believe they're entitled to sex, Peterson's message generally seems to be about self-improvement. Sacrificing for something greater than oneself. I don't get the sense that he contends that they're fine the way they are and deserve sex from beautiful women, but his Project Sell-Out is probably still incomplete.

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You need a life, buddy.
PS. You're never going to make it as a movie critic.

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