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To the Critics and Trolls (Simple Explanation to what you watched)



I kinda wonder what you all was hoping for? Even if someone else played Johnny Blaze, would you have stayed the same on the total event of the film?
Barraged with Critic Reviews from Rotten Tomato's and New York times ain't helping the fact they they don't know $#!t about comics... so how can they be true critics... if they have not even read one dang comic of that Character?

Now, I know a lot of you poor folks follow the trend of what is a label... Don't deny it... your all sheep. So when you walk into a movie with the tag of MARVEL attached to it, Your brain compares to X-men, Spider-Man, Hulk, Iron Man... and we'll just say the rest of the Avengers clan... that you automatically compare the Tag when a movie like The Punisher or Ghost Rider comes out. Even tho the Tag said MARVEL KNIGHTS, as long as it comes from MARVEL it should not matter. Then you all become disappointed because you expected some mild mannered super hero to capture the hearts of the audience with Drama, Action and the Grittiness of battling the Forces of evil bad guys and girlfriend problems. I guess that's where the first Ghost Rider movie went wrong.
All of you have to realize that not all MARVEL Comics are Drama and Action consistently in every damn comic. it just don't work like that... there are Horror, Slashing, Psychotic, Suicidal, Rampaging type characters that we would not necessarily call "Hero's", and we may never see them become a Idol to a child's eye... But their adventures are worth the read.

Not seeing the picture? I think I mentioned this in a previous post but if you where or still are a Captain America fan... Go pick up or Order [MARVEL KNIGHTS Captain America: The Chosen; Get all 6 or just pick up #5 'The Crucible'] And you will sing a different tune.

You see, the only ones who actually enjoyed this film are Comic Book fans, and B Movie Fanatics. Why? Because stepping out of the normal Cookie Cutter movie we get every damn time is a sigh of relief to us. You may say we have no taste in movies and need to quit spending our money on these "Bad Movie", But you are the fool... For your the one that is licking the same damn cone over and over thinking it can't get any better then that... hate to tell ya buddy, there are more then one flavor @ Basken & Robins... and adding sprinkles to your plane Vanilla Ice Cream is not making it any better to your case.

Now, I have no doubt that Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance numbers where mainly from Comic Book Geeks and Unsuspecting Nick Cage fans. But at least we stay strong on what we believe and honestly don't give 2 $#!ts what you think of the movie. Hell, Picketing the film like a West Borrow Jesus freak just makes the Ticket purchase more flavorful.

NOW... to those who was wondering why this Ghost Rider was different then the first one... Well, because the writer of the first film needed to read some more. You see, Ghost Rider is Psychotic... as the movie Explains (Watch it to get full explanation). Plus, the Spikes was the 'Danny Ketch' version of Ghost Rider... Johnny Blaze NEVER had spikes on his leather. But like most movies from comics, not a lot of things are in order... Like the Blackout Character... He was on the Danny Ketch/Ghost Rider Comics... plus was not even close to the Comic version.

So, in conclusion... if you think all MARVEL movies will have the same feeling, you need to quit going to the movies that are based off any comic. And Ghost Rider was a fun movie... hell, Harry Knowles comments that he has seen it twice and is ready for a 3rd showing. Here is a Quote from him... "Ultimately, the film is nuts in the way I kind of wanted it to go. But do realize this isn't a film that everyone is going to agree on. At $75 million, most would expect something less rough around the edges, but Neveldine & Taylor made something that doesn't look like some cookie cutter safe flick. There's some crazy *beep* that goes down in this movie that I just loved - and if you're someone that doesn't think GHOST RIDER is automatically stupid... give it a shot. It is far better than the last film would lead you to believe."

And if you don't know who Harry Knowles is... Delete your imdb account now... For you have no words to say on here any more.

*SPOILER ALERT*
For those who judged the movie on just the Fire Pissing scene in the first Trailer... Not only do they show it once (W/ a Oh Yeah skull face) but they show it twice.


[Thor Vs. Ironman] "Or learn the Difference between a God of Thunder,and a Mortal man in a suit"

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I pretty much agree with you. This was a OK movie based on a less well known Marvel character.

There were many little things that I enjoyed. The twinkie joke was very clever, his takeover of a giant excavator was hugely kick-ass, and is it just me, or did that fire pissing scene just kind of fit? It was a guy who is kind of a big kid, and a kid who isn't your average boy scout sharing an immature joke.

I don't know what it is with people not being able to call a movie with good things and bad things just OK.

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This was an OK movie?Are you mentally retarded or something?!

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After reading the whole thread I have to say I agree more with the OP than the people attacking him. He may not have been delicate in the way he characterized many points but he was right in most. I was thrown off a bit by the sheep comment but knew what he meant and a lot of people unknowingly and unwittingly proved his point. The Harry Knowles bit is over the top and wrong but he explained and apologized so no harm no foul.

Victory is Mine!!!

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This film is not good, on any level. It's *beep* lazy, they squandered a big budget on nothing, were it not for this playing in a cinema you'd think it was direct-to-DVD. The definition of a wasted opportunity. Bad effects, bad acting, set in a foreign country for the sole purpose of saving money, not one redeemable quality other than the fact you can get some laughs out of the braindead stupidity of the entire cast & crew involved. This film has some of the worst performances to date.

Jarring cut-aways to people on a black background. Why? Ghost Rider killing henchman by staring at them for 5 minutes while he caresses their face... I'm assuming this was rushed out as most of the effects (other than those shown on the trailer) are awful. Which is another point, almost every visual effect was shown on the trailer, the rest of the film was about 80 minutes of babbling about demons and curses and *beep* with no real direction.

Neveldine/Taylor, whatever they want to call themselves, are a pair of idiots with a child-like, juvenile sense of humour and a real lack of talent and intelligence. This is pretty clear if you listen to them in any interview or commentary. They can't tell a story to save their lives and all they're interested in is making 90 minute music videos.

For the longest time they wouldn't shut up about how violent this was going to be and that it was a "hard R", what happened to that?
The last film failed because it "wasn't dark enough" and they do the same thing again with this, only with less of the actual Ghost Rider and just scenes of Nicolas Cage laughing and hamming it up. An actor that will be in anything simply because he has to.
If anybody genuinely likes this film they have a problem, nobody should accept this as fit for showing anywhere else than on a bargain bin DVD in your living room. There are Steven Seagal films with better acting and scriptwriting.

Also, why should it matter if people know who Harry Knowles is? His opinion means zilch.

I'm looking forward to seeing how many Razzies this gets nominated for and also wins, if people haven't already forgotten about it by then.

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You don't know nowt!

Haha!

What a bunch of Cowboy directors,they need to be shot.

We should of left half way through, it was *beep*

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You should HAVE stayed awake in English class.

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Yeah, you fell asleep in English class. Thanks for clarifying. Back to school with you now, kid.

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Okay, Blah-Blah-Blah... I will admit, I have $#!tty grammar, My Transcript clearly shows that. But, my Math and Science skills makes up for that... Hence why I am in Electrical Engineering. So that moves to what Grind said... A kid, I am not. Everyone has their weaknesses and strengths, sadly enough so do you.

You see, I asked for you to step into the disagreement as a Ghost Rider comic fan or someone who is familiar to the storyline. But your weakness stepped in the way, threw your 'Douche bag' style all over just to cover the fact that you just have a outside opinion, and nothing solid. Which leads to question, are you still in High School where you can't get any satisfaction from real life that you have to seem like a A** Hole on the net just so other A** Holes on the net will like you? Or, are you just being a dick just because you don't like a movie?

Don't worry, there are really bad movies out there, and a lot of them really need to be stopped before it started. But as long as there are factions of fans that turns those movies into Cult Classics, only a act of God or Plague could stop the film being made.
Take 'Twilight' for instance, Personally I think the entire book to movie line is total $#!t and should have never been made. But, there are psychotic fans that will defend the whole glittery vampire crap to the point that they cut them selves. I wont attack their boards like a raging troll, but I will disagree from the stand point of Classic vampire movies like 'Dracula', 'From Dusk til Dawn', 'Interview with a Vampire', all the way down to the first Vampire film 'Nosferatu'. but at least I have a solid subject on the Genre, instead of just saying "The Director, the Actors, and the action was all stupid"... That right there Don't Make Sense.

[Thor Vs. Ironman] "Or learn the Difference between a God of Thunder,and a Mortal man in a suit"

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I was criticizing nezzler's grammar, not yours.

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Sorry Grind, thought you where agreeing with Nezzler... My Bad.

[Thor Vs. Ironman] "Or learn the Difference between a God of Thunder,and a Mortal man in a suit"

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do you happen to be autistic? just wondering.

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I concur that Harry Knowles opinion is irrelevant to those who don't share his taste

And I would have enjoyed this movie as much as I did even if I had read his review before. This is the most fun I've had at the cinema in quite a while... a revelation! I had the hugest grin throughout, even if I did felt sleepy a couple of times.


I see in RockItRetro's post that many people may have not gotten the plotpoint of Ghost Rider tormenting the souls of those he fixes eyes with, as in the first movie. In fact I strongly believe a burning feeling was implied too.

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I don't think it's fair to say I have a problem for liking this movie. Based on the real criticisms you made, the jarring cutaways, the acting, and the effects, I think you should take another look. Okay, the cut-aways we could do without. I didn't honestly understand the need for them if not just to make the scene go more smoothly for the sake of story. But, the acting, and the effects, weren't so bad really. Nicholas Cage, does his crazy self again but this time there is a colossal point, is the madness his, or the demon's?

I've seen bad movies, and this can't possibly harbour the worst performances to date, so either that's just hyperbole, or you missed all the bad ones. Nicolas was convincing, and yes the mother may have been a bit dry, but the kid was okay, the priest had conviction, Roark made his weakness clear, and Mouare or whatever, Idris Elba, was fairly charming, if not there's no way he was a burden to this movie. He was a good character, he was the only true God loving character in the story, he kept on believing in redemption, if though he killed Satan's minions, he kept himself composed and (SPOILERS) headbutts himself to death.

Can we be honest with eachother?

Do you just not like these types of movies?

I'm not a huge fan, but I will admit it when they have a really unique style. Like Crank for instance but not Crank 2. Gamer didn't pan out but it was interesting. These guys really do try to give there action movies some small meaning even if it's not blatantly clear.

If people can convince me to watch The Avengers again after hating it, I think you might want to give this a second try, forgive me if I sounded hostile, I only wanted to challenge you.

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Yeah, I agree re: Crank 1 and Crank 2. That was yet another movie I felt, didn't need a sequel.

'Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance,' is exactly what it was always intended to be, and I enjoyed this more than the first.

It was utterly sublime to see Nicolas Cage back to incorporating his renowned idiosyncrasies to perfection.

For me, watching 'Johnny Blaze/Ghost Rider' was like watching the love-child of 'Peter Loew' (Vampire's Kiss) and 'Castor Troy' (Face/Off)!... LOVED IT!!

If you enjoyed the first film, I cannot see why you would not enjoy the second. It is what it is, it was never expected to be more, and I feel they delivered! If you're after an intricate storyline, WOW-factor CGI, and whole nine yards (massive budget incl.), then perhaps 'Batman' is more you.

'GRSoV' is, put simply... entertainment!



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"I'm not a huge fan, but I will admit it when they have a really unique style."

Bad habits don't make a style.

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Agreed!! I just saw this trash on TV, and I regret watching it and wasting two hours of my life!! The people involved should be ashamed for creating this and selling it as A) a Marvel film, and B) for a sequel to the average Ghost Rider movie. ...So disgusted.


"That's 30 minutes away. I'll be there in 10."

Rob

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Yep, of all the marvel movies I watch since 2000, this one manage to be the worst.
worst than the 2003 hulk, worst than Electra, probably in the same level of DC's Catwoman (arrg)
Glad Marvel got the rights for GR back.

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Hmmm... I am looking at Rockit and Nezzler's comments and I don't see a plausible response... Honestly all i hear is the Bah-Bah of sheep. Did you even bother reading, or did that pompous @$$ kick in with out thinking again?

So let me be clear... if your new at Reading. I SAID that most of the people that actually liked this film are Comic Book fans and Nick Cage fans. And since you where 'NOT' clear that you where either one of those... your opinions are just that... Opinions.

But since you 2 are in so much of a mood of nit-picking, let me tear apart your so called 'Opinions'.

RockItRetro

Jarring cut-aways to people on a black background. Why? Ghost Rider killing henchman by staring at them for 5 minutes while he caresses their face... I'm assuming this was rushed out as most of the effects (other than those shown on the trailer) are awful. Which is another point, almost every visual effect was shown on the trailer, the rest of the film was about 80 minutes of babbling about demons and curses and *beep* with no real direction.

This is where I damn sure know that your did not come into the movie as a Ghost Rider comic fan... Hell, I bet my Ghost Rider: Midnight Massacre that you have not even bother to touch one let alone read it. All actions that where made are part of Ghost Riders insane M-O, there is no thought to the Rider, just the craving for souls to reap... that's why the first GH movie kinda failed... he was too much in control.
If anybody genuinely likes this film they have a problem, nobody should accept this as fit for showing anywhere else than on a bargain bin DVD in your living room. There are Steven Seagal films with better acting and scriptwriting.

Also, why should it matter if people know who Harry Knowles is? His opinion means zilch.

First, there are too many Seagal films I wish I never began to watch... like that vampire blade rip off... and Second, If your going to know anything about upcoming Comic movie cross overs, Horror/SciFi movie classics history or re-releases, or any Horror/SciFi new movies to come out and reviews... Harry Knowles site is the place to go. But since you clearly don't give a $#!t, your right, why would it matter to you. Your only flaw is you want to find movies to complain about so you daringly walk into the theater and watch a movie that you have no clue about the history of it... because it requires reading.

Nezzler13
You don't know nowt!

Haha!

What a bunch of Cowboy directors,they need to be shot.

We should of left half way through, it was *beep*


Everything about this really does not mean $#!t to me, I mean your "nowt" (yes, I know it means 'nothing') just proves that internet slang is the leading cause of mental retardation. Plus, if you had such a problem, why did you even bother going in?


Please, if anyone is going to make a bad remark of the movie... Know the background, come in as a fan of the genre, and for *beep* sakes... have a good reasoning. Any moron can have a opinion about a movie, it just don't make you a full Critic.


[Thor Vs. Ironman] "Or learn the Difference between a God of Thunder,and a Mortal man in a suit"

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I felt I said all I needed to say with the first comment, but I better clarify since you missed the point and let your autism take over, instead opting to make yourself out to be the biggest Ghost Rider fan in the world.

You keep calling people sheep yet you love superhero movies and Nicolas Cage movies. Ironic. Nicolas Cage is a terrible actor, star of The Wicker Man (Remake), Bangkok Dangerous (Remake), National Treasure I & II, Next, Season of the Witch and the list goes on... The man has about two good films to his name.

I "got" what they were trying to achieve with those scenes but it didn't put that across clearly enough, it looked laughable. You can't honestly tell me that is an acceptable explanation for the average viewer of Marvel films which, more often than not, have very little attachment to the characters outside of TV shows and movie adaptations. You can go on about the graphic novels you've read and wank over comic book characters all you want, it still doesn't make this film any better.

Give it a *beep* rest and go and watch a legitimately good film, you pestering nerd.

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Hmmm... so many ugly words I want to use, but will keep it to a minimum.

First, Geek maybe in a loose term, but a Nerd I am not. And not the Biggest Ghost Rider fan, I just know enough... unlike some.

Second, Their are lots of fans to the B-Rate movie Genre, and a lot of them like films like these. And like I said before, its a release from the normal over done movies. Take Paranormal Activity, good to take your girlfriend to just to get her to hold you scared and *beep* but not a top of the line movie by High end magazine movie Critics... yet their are fans who like it. then you got Twilight, High end teen love movie about a girl with issues of living Necrophilia. Critics rave over it, but in the other light its utter crap and they milk the living *beep* out of it, i.e.; Vampire Diaries, Teen Wolf, and the possibility of continuing the Twilight series even tho there are no more books.

You see, when you say "Go see a Legitimately good film", what films are you requesting?
Jack ass: the Movie [A bunch of Stupid People doing Stupid *beep*
American Pie [Kids with raging hard-on's and confused on where to put it]
Transformers [If Michael Bay didn't place enough explosions in this one, wait for the next one]
Saw [I don't think we shocked you enough on the first 7 movies]
Human Centipede [Lets see if you can keep you lunch down and not all over you lap]
Titanic [There was enough room on the floating door]

Or are you a sweet romantic kinda guy, where you sit on the couch with a blanket and a tub of ice cream watching the notebook, or Water for Elephants?

Dude, You stepped into my thread with your swaggering douche bag ways, does it impress me? No, because that just makes me laugh. Hell, most people wonder what kind of moron are you are, that you just think that anybody cares. Ohhh... Your a Bad Boy that goes into threads and sprays your BS all over... wow, so many girls must get wet over your Ass Hole stamina.

Hey, Go Troll some Disney films. You obviously don't have the strength to Troll very well.


[Thor Vs. Ironman] "Or learn the Difference between a God of Thunder,and a Mortal man in a suit"

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If I could like this particular comment, I would. Very well said on your part.

For the record, I actually did enjoy some of the films you mentioned, like Twilight, Transformers, Saw, and Titanic. Mind you, I'm not a major fan of Twilight, but I did find the films enjoyable. I also enjoyed Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance. Honestly, I never actually read the comics, but I did find the film enjoyable. Isn't that really all that matters? Also, many of Cage's past films, such as National Treasure, were actually quite good. I even enjoyed Next, Bangkok Dangerous, and Season of the Witch. They may not be the best films ever made, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy them, right. I mean, films are subjective. One film that is actually bad in one person's eyes doesn't necessarily mean it is bad in everyone else's eyes. That's the thing about films. To criticize a film just because it wasn't exactly what you expected, I just fine asinine and ridiculous.


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I cant really disagree with alot of the criticism but somehow this movie just works for me and I couldnt sit through the first. I think this movie does a better job creating the mythology with the devil and there is a strong Prophesy (Chris Walken) vibe. In fact, it would have been great if they could have got Walken to play the role. I normally dont get excited about mindless action sequences but these were well done. The excavator scene was one of the best I have seen. Most of the cast was very good but Cage was a bit of a mess. I liked the shaky cam here as it helped to add some horror element.

A bit off topic, I would love to see someone do the Hulk justice and film it as R Rated action/horror where you are actually afraid of the Hulk. They should have used the Hulk as the primary adversary in the Avengers movie as they did in the Ultimates storyline.

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To be fair, you have enough swagger that you feel like you own the thread, in a technical sense you do, but I'm just trying to take you down a peg so that what I say next doesn't go to your head. I like your conviction, you've defended this movie without so much going into detail, but just by being an almost complete badass, which I've never felt from anybody on a thread. I guess it's because you constantly walk the line of making an ass out of yourself, but yet somehow maintain cool enough to drive your point home. You're right there are enough people on here saying this or that movie sucks without really pointing out why. I most certainly believe that the people hating on this movie failed to see the context of it, and thusly could not understand the madness therein.

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Your clearly a troll while nic cage has been in some stinkers in his career he clearly has more then 2 good movies hell the two national treasure movies are good thats two right there then you got kick ass,con air,rasing arizona and a bunch of other movies that are KNOWN as good films you should try to not be such a troll and know what you're actually talking about.

"The People Of America Have Spoken THE REAL TITLE TOWN U.S.A IS VALDOSTA GEORGIA"

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There are a number of problems with what you've said here, first of all the term "troll", a pathetic juvenile term only someone with the mental age of 14 would use. Rather than accuse me of being a "troll" I suggest you work on your English, it'd benefit you a lot more than watching Nicolas Cage films.

Secondly, you gave the suggestion, "know what you're actually talking about", by which you mean I should share the same opinion as you, because your opinion is of course fact.
I said he only had 2 good films because that's my opinion, Raising Arizona and Con Air being the two that immediately come to mind, there's probably one or two more that are decent, but at the time of writing my comment, months ago, those two came to mind.
National Treasure is garbage to me, so is Kick Ass. I've seen these films too, so you can't just say I'm being a "troll" either. No matter how much you rave about them I will never like them, I have different tastes than you. Accept that.

However, I'm aware that it doesn't matter what I tell you because you will never listen as you clearly suffer from some form of mental illness, a refusal to accept other people's opinions and generally being rude and ignorant.
So, get on with it, if you liked this crap, great. Good for you, sit and watch something that was clearly made with the intent of robbing people of their cash while all those involved laugh about the piece of *beep* they got a load of money to "act" in or "direct".

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That's nothing more then your OPINION which is worth about as much as the toilet paper i just used to wipe my ass.

What does actually matter is the films you claim are garbage are high ranking films meaning the majority of the movie going audiance liked them which mean's your OPINION is in the minority which means it doesn't matter and you're clearly wrong or the MAJORITY would agree with you now go back to you're mother's basement don't forget your hot pockets and dr pepper and write off another pointless OPINION driven worthless reply that mean's nothing because no one that matters agrees with you.
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Alright then, forget it.

Have fun with that autism of yours, you little spastic.

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Hahahahahaha!

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Hey, shaggy63870-1 I sent you a Private Message here on Imdb. Please read it when you get a chance. Thank You

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What let's this movie down is the same exact things which let down all the Taylor/Neveldine films.

Step 1- They cant write a script to save their lives. All scripts they produce suffer from the same problems;

Jonah Hex
Gamer
Crank: High Voltage
Pathology
Crank

The only standout is the first Crank aside from that they are all straight to dvd bargain bin films. Poorly written, bad dialogue (if there is even dialogue) and use camera tricks/effects and hope they can cover up the flaws in post. Which is film making error 101. It all starts with the story, if the story is bad then you can only polish a turd so much. So we know neither guy seems to be anything but an amateur in the writing department.

Step 2- Filming. They seem to love filming action sequences more than anything. Opting for the more extreme style shooting where possible. Never asking, is this what works for this film? Why am I doing this kind of pan in this scene. In a sense their filming style is closer to what might work for a short tv advert or a music video. Not necessarily best for telling a story (refer to step1)

Step 3- Post. Effects etc. Now luckily they get some good guys in where possible to do the CG to cover up their lazy film making and poor story. Distract the audience with big explosions, zooming camera angles and hopefully they wont wake up from the realisation that the film is just a series of action shots with rushed bits in between.

Doesnt end there though. No, then they get to the Colour Bay and decide to wreck any film and CG they may have with desaturation and adding some kind of oddly bright colour tint which doesnt fit and looks absolutely awful.

All their films seem to fit this pattern in one way or another. And there is no excuse for a multitude of bad choices in all steps.

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Watch it, man. You're treading on shaky ground. Remember, hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned.

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Watch it, man. You're treading on shaky ground. Remember, hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned.


Which way you aiming that? Saying this as a Fanboy of Ghost Rider.

[Thor Vs. Ironman] "Or learn the Difference between a God of Thunder,and a Mortal man in a suit"

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When Ghost Rider was onscreen this film was watchable & sorta fun & when he wasnt on screen it was beyond terrible...nuff said!

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Unfortunately, movie critics aren't Ghost Rider critics. They judge movies based on the aesthetics of movie making itself. And, whether you're a hardcore fan or not, both movies were pretty amateur. It's possible to stay true to the source material and still make it a good movie by movie standards, but these films do not achieve that unfortunately.

A couple of cool action scenes and special effects are commendable (and I admit there were some sweet scenes) but it doesn't qualify an entire movie as good. You can enjoy the movie if you want, I have my share of guilty pleasures, but why go online and write a book about it? What are you trying to prove? You put more thought into this post than the directors of Ghost Rider did. I hope you realize that.

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To be fair Blaze's version of Ghost Rider was using a chain in the Road to Damnation and I believe in his last series (given that he is not actually Ghost Rider in the current series I dont think of it as his series)So that could have come from there. The concept of other vehicles I think came from the Trials and Tribulations part 1 written by Jason Aaron. Shows a bunch of Riders with no vehicles...

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*SPOILER ALERT*
For those who judged the movie on just the Fire Pissing scene in the first Trailer... Not only do they show it once (W/ a Oh Yeah skull face) but they show it twice.


And they made it work as an empathic symbol. That was an achievement itself.

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So you know where I am coming from I haven't followed Ghost Rider until the Marvel Ultimate Alliance game. From that I saw the first movie and now the second. I liked both movies actually. In fact I liked the second the one more than the first because the true insanity of the character comes out a bit. - My favorite Nick Cage flick is Face / Off.

I've noticed a trend that the more popular a comic character is the more funding their movie seems to get. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Ghost Rider to get the same attention and work as Captain America or Iron Man.

What I do hope is that maybe these movies will bring some more notoriety to the character and perhaps we will seem him included in future films down the road.

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^ lack of funding doesn't prevent a good script from being written. It costs the same amount of money. So besides CGI, don't blame the faults of this movie on funding issues.






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I've noticed a trend that the more popular a comic character is the more funding their movie seems to get. I don't think it's reasonable to expect Ghost Rider to get the same attention and work as Captain America or Iron Man.


Henry, I know the feeling, But its not the money... as Bu54Lb kindly pointed out (sarcasm). its the amount of enthusiasm from Directors, Producers, Actors and studios.
By what History shows, Superhero movies where a hard start. The first was these things in the '40's called Serial Movies that had Captain America, Batman, The Phantom, Superman, Flash Gordon... etc. But most Comics to films where just placed on for television, mainly Superman and Batman.
When it came to Movies that Hit theaters between the 70's and 90's, there was the Big money makers because of the consistent television shows was Batman and Superman, Superman being the longest running had the highest hype to follow it. Batman had a good amount of hype and Tim Burton made it worth watching as a kid... The rest, not so much. But, other Superhero movies was put out that never got much hype. Take Captain America... Big Hype this go around, because it was ready with the warm ups of 'The Incredible Hulk' and 'Iron Man', but I doubt anyone remembers the 1991 version of Captain America... or in 1994 for Roger Corman's 'The Fantastic Four' that never saw the light of day. Then you have the lower projects that got so much low expectations that everything when wrong with it... like 1989 'The Punisher', 1991 'The Rocketeer' and 1996 'The Phantom' (yes, because it had a 45 mil budget and only got 17 mil just in the US)

Point being, there are good times and ways to place Comic movies out, then there are movies that no one will care about because there was 50 other box office movies that was better marketed.
I my self was a avid reader of Marvels 'Dark Hawk' for some reason, but if that ever came out to a studio production, it will be in the dark like 1981 'Condorman' if anyone remembers him.

Maybe someday, as the Batman/Man of steel/Avengers/Spider-man dust settles and there in need of a superhero... maybe Ghost Rider will have a Major Reboot with a new actor and more hype. But until then, as a fan... I will take what I can get.


[Thor Vs. Ironman] "Or learn the Difference between a God of Thunder,and a Mortal man in a suit"

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