I must say this movie has more in common with Hollywood style of storytelling, editing and production values than your run-of-the-mill Bollywood crap. I was so happy not to see Hollywood stolen scripts with a bunch of song and dance numbers thrown in for good measure that is so typical of Bollywood. I think Pak cinema should look towards Hollywood for direction rather than Bollywood(which blatantly steals from Hollywood anyway).
shareYou are saying so because you have only seen the crap that bollywod makes.
I think you have not seen the good ones.
one good movie by pak does not change anything.
so buddy you tell me a single bollywood movie that is fully original, HAHA LOSERS!!! JUST Keep your rip offs in your pocket
shareApologies! The idea may have been good but the movie is very average..very badly acted...and badly scripted. Overall quality of production is good. Most opinions posted here reflect personal biases and emotions. It is unfair to compare this to Bollywood/Hollywood etc movies...a movie should be measured against itself (what is it trying to achieve?)...and in that I give it average grade. I am sure Pakistan itself had better movies than this ...let alone Bollywood or Hollywood.
shareThere are many.
Especially, in the last 10 years or so, there have been many original Bollywood scripts.
I concur hamood979. I think this movie gets the format right -- its neither the bollywood-pelvic-thrust-in-pink-minis style, nor is it totally western. Just perfect, and only a person of Shoaib Mansoor's capability could have developed Pakistan's own unique genre of cinema.
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u hav watched ONLY BOLLYWOOD KRAP.......
watch bollywoods gr8 movies..... dey r 200% better thn KKL
@hamood979
"Hollywood style of storytelling, editing and production values"
Either you need to watch KKL again or you havent seen many hollywood or bollywood movies for that matter.
"I was so happy not to see Hollywood stolen scripts with a bunch of song and dance numbers thrown in for good measure that is so typical of Bollywood."
What you speak of is essentially a minority in the ambit of bollywood flicks.
I agree, some of the stuff churned out is crap, but thats not the case with all.The reason you make a blunder of calling Bollywood movies crap, is you havent seen enough bollywood movies.
KKL is probably the first "good" movie from pakistan. Bollywood has had many, on almost any topic you can imagine.
Try not to make a fool of yourself next time.
PS : All in all, KKL was very well done.I wish good luck to the director and the cast for future ventures.
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
Infact, except for KKL, Pakistani cinema has had tackier song and dance films so far. It is not like KKL is the first ever pakistani film made man!!!!!!
Do you want me to post some songs and dances of 'routine' Pakistani films?
@snowite
"Pakistani cinema has had tackier song and dance films so far"
Most of the anti bollywood posts here reek of jealousy and inferiority complex.
Your posts are brutally accurate and helpful.
"You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity."
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Compare the total number of international awards won by the Indian film industry to that of Pakistan.
No prizes for guessing who leads here.
By the way,how many of you know that E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial by Steven Speilberg was a plagiarism of Satyajit Ray's 1967 script "The Alien"??
India's finest film maker wasn't even acknowledged for his script,which he had sent to Speilberg 4 years before ET was out.
Check the credits for ET here,it mentions Satyajit Ray - uncredited
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/fullcredits#writers
Thanks roshan! It's good that someone came up with the name of Ray at last. All through the board people were aguing about whether bollywood is crap and India makes poor films. Nice that someone at last came up with the real master of world cinema. Ray is probably the best director of all time the world has ever seen. Not to mention India. Yes, arguments can be made with the other big names like Kubrick, Fellini, de Sica, Kurosawa but Ray will always be my personal favourite.
Whatever, the point that I want to make here is people who are starting to look down upon Indian films as crappy and poorly made, just with the basis of only one (this is ridiculous!) film, should try out the real Indian film masterpieces, like that of Ray and Ghatak.
Khuda Kay Liye might be the best Pakistani movie ever made, but still, Pakistani cinema has a lot to go even before thinking of comparing it to the Indian counterpart.
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Hamood bhai jaan, i would like to bring to your notice, that it is not that Khuda Ke Liye is the first film from the Indian subcontinent that has been acclaimed so much.
I would suggest you revisit the classics such as, Pyaasa, Guide, Awaara, Do Aaankhen Barah haath and Modern Contermporary films such as, Taare Zameen Par, Lagaan, Rang De Basanti, Lage Raho MunnaBhai,Saawariya, Black Friday, Satya, Aamir.
This would give you a fair example as to why our Hindi cinema is not just a blatant copy of hollywood films.
PS: It is Hindi cinema, not Bollywood.
Well Mr. Hamoof this is like getting a gold coin in a bunch of steel coins for the first time and the owner shouting its better then diamond. Well yes your film seems to have garnered critical acclaim from critics all over but thats because it was one and the only film coming from Pakistan in a decade which has good production values and some decent storyline. Well you criticizing Indian film being copied - why not mention some here. Yes few Indian films are copied but they cant still be called as crap. If its crap then what are Pakistani films like "Reshma Ki Jawani, Kursi Aur Kanoon, Sala Bigra Jaye etc. And as far as your Hollywood is considered I can bring out a whole list of films copied by veteran and greatest of Hollywood directors from Japanese, Korean, Chinese and Australian cinema. Despite being copied they are good because they hold there own style and same is the case with those few Indian film.
You know we sincerely and genuinely appreciated Khuda Ke Liye which was something new from Pakistani Cinema but this is not the way man. Pakistani producers are coming to India for all the post production and production work of their films because we hold the key. And lastly its a long road for Pakistani cinema to produce films like Black Friday, Lagaan, Swades, Eklavya, Parinda, Saawariya, Devdas, Taare Zameen PAr etc.
P.S - Go and watch work of Guru Dutt, V.Shantaram , Bimal Roy, Ritwik Ghatak and Satyajit Ray - its very much available in the Pakistani market.
All the best.
There is only one reason Pakistani actors/directors etc flock to India and that is money. If Pakistani cinema had the resources, the technical know how and financial backing there is no doubt that there would have been a handful of excellent quality films made by now.
For all those that boast about Indian cinema....do you know how Bollywood is percieved externally? It is a joke, people just laugh at it. Films like Lagaan, Devdas...have people around the world heard of these films? No. India for some reason equates quantity with quality, just because you produce an insane amount of films every year does not mean they are any good. Who is India's Wong Kar Wai? What is India's City of God or Oldboy?
In comparison to Indian cinema, Iran has an excellent and sophisticated film industry which is much more appreciated worldwide. If Pakistani cinema needs inspiration and guidance, then it should be looking to Iran, Korea and China who produce interesting and appealing films on a constant basis.
"do you know how Bollywood is percieved externally? It is a joke, people just laugh at it"
I DO KNOW how bollywood is percieved externally, and NO its not a Joke.People dont laugh at it.Ofcourse,many people hate it, but then again, many enjoy it.
"Films like Lagaan, Devdas...have people around the world heard of these films? "
Duh!! yeah, and many more.
"Who is India's Wong Kar Wai? What is India's City of God or Oldboy?"
OOhhh..name dropping. Now thats supposed to help your case.
Try harder boy.
"Colorless green ideas sleep furiously."
I DO KNOW how bollywood is percieved externally, and NO its not a Joke.People dont laugh at it.Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is considered to be a joke and laughed at by many Westerners.
"Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is considered to be a joke and laughed at by many Westerners."
Many does not mean ALL..boy.
There are many in India who laugh at Bollywood,hell,even I laugh at some of the trash that is churned out, I also laugh at Hollywood's share of trash.
But all in all, there are plenty of people who like Bollywood.
"Colorless green ideas sleep furiously."
Its no secret that a source of entertainment for scores of Pakistanis for many decades has been Bollywood cinema.
So you may also be one of them but you just don't seem to like to admit it.
Pirated copies of bollywood movies sell on the streets in Pakistan and also Afghanistan.
And these copies are also available here with all those chintoo candy logos and Pakistani ads.
You want to know how Bollywood is percieved externally?You seem to be a noob.
Just go to Lagaan's page here on IMDB and click on Awards.No,I'm not talking about the oscar nomination,look at the no. of awards it has won at different international festivals.
Have you even heard about Satyajit Ray?He is India's Akira Kurosawa.
Indian cinema is appreciated worldwide.Only bollywood can make a wonderful film like Taare Zameen Par.
Most Pakistanis think that Indian cinema means only Bollywood.They know nothing about the South Indian film industry(Telugu,Tamil,Malayalam films)or Bengali films.
Some of the biggest bollywood hits have been remakes of South Indian films.
And many films from this industry have won awards at international film festivals.
For example -Vaanaprastham(Istanbul and LA),Theeviravaathi:The Terrorist won at 4 international film fests.
This year Udedh Bun,a Bhojpuri film won the Silver Bear at the Berlin International Film Festival.
Ore Kadal (The Sea Within),a Malayalam film on infidelity, won the audience award at Bollywood and Beyond, Germany's festival of Indian cinema held at Stuttgart.
I can go on and on...
And I must add,the Germans are crazy about Bollywood.Om Shanti Om was realeased in Berlin and was a huge hit.Theres a video of Shah Rukh in Berlin at the premiere,on You Tube.
Who is India's Wong Kar Wai?Satyajit Ray? Indian cinema is much more than Bollywood. That's just one of the industries in the country and unfortunately the only one that gets attention.
There is only one reason Pakistani actors/directors etc flock to India and that is money. If Pakistani cinema had the resources, the technical know how and financial backing there is no doubt that there would have been a handful of excellent quality films made by now.
For all those that boast about Indian cinema....do you know how Bollywood is percieved externally? It is a joke, people just laugh at it. Films like Lagaan, Devdas...have people around the world heard of these films? No. India for some reason equates quantity with quality, just because you produce an insane amount of films every year does not mean they are any good. Who is India's Wong Kar Wai? What is India's City of God or Oldboy?
In comparison to Indian cinema, Iran has an excellent and sophisticated film industry which is much more appreciated worldwide. If Pakistani cinema needs inspiration and guidance, then it should be looking to Iran, Korea and China who produce interesting and appealing films on a constant basis.
exinator- no pakistani in their right mind would be jealous of bollywood or the indian film industry. unfortunately due to the lack of pakistani films and clever indian marketing, pakistanis have been taken in by bollywood.
but if pakistani cinema is to become succesful, there is no way it should use bollywood as its model. if pakistani films are to true to pakistan then they will be realist films based on social issues, not some fantastical love story musical. and also, there is no need for pakistan to start churning out hundreds of poor quality films in a year, 1 or 2 decent films a year is more than enough.
lollywood is a non-entity, no body in pakistan even cares about it. and films like khamosh paani, khuda ke liye etc are not lollywood films they are pakistani films there is no connection.
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@fabsab
You seem to assume that Bollywood equates Indian cinema. You ignorant, there's a lot to Indian Cinema other than just Bollywood. And Bollywood, alongwith the usual trashy releases, has made quite a few quality, original movies over the decades .
If u want to experience quality indian cinema, check out the best works of Satyajit Ray, Ritwik Ghatak, Bimal Roy, Guru Dutt, Shyam Benegal, Kamal Amrohi, Aparna Sen, etc.
& trust me, Satyajit Ray isn't viewed anywhere near a joke internationally, which is more than i can say for most movies from Pakistan...i suggest u google the career of the maestro.
oh ofcourse, 95% of which are hollywood rip-offs
"A ship is safe in a harbour, but that is not what ships are made for." -Benazir Bhutto..rip.
oh ofcourse, 95% of which are hollywood rip-offs
touche^^
but we never claimed to be on par with hollywood now did we? all the poster did say was that this movie is much better than most of yours and ours..
ya akrama al-khalqi ma li man aludhu bihi / siwaka `inda hululi al-hadithi al-`amamii -rip.
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