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People don't understand the ending...


Initially, I was infuriated by the ending and saw it as implausible. (I guess I that's what you get when you watch too many episodes of "Law and Order.") Then I read some of the comments by the director and grasped what he was trying to do.

The reality is, the mother was deliberately condemning herself to a prison sentence, both in the jail and inside her head. She was sentencing herself, independent of what happened, by her silence and through her actions.

Think about it. Had she euthanized her son and let everyone know, they may have let her off, but it would have done nothing to absolve her of the guilt and pain she was feeling inside. So she condemned herself.

The whole movie is about her life AFTER prison, but it makes the point that even though she has been released, she is still imprisoned. The performance conveys this throughout.

I'm not very good at explaining this, but I have to give the director a lot of credit for coming up with something different and subtle.

What a great movie.

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I think you've done a great job of explaining it!

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I completely missed the director's intention, then. I simply thought it implausible that no one would have sympathy for what she had done. I didn't realize she had never explained herself.

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Thanks CDTUFS. I had an inkling of the film's overall theme but you put it into its proper perspective. Now I have the pleasure of rethinking scenes from the beginning with this more focused insight.

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Thank for your great explanation.
I think she didn't want to be happy if her son had to be in pain...she didn't ever want to be happy...so she went to prison and still lives in a prison of sorts, because if her child suffered and died, she must suffer too. It is part of being a parent....feeling everything your children feel and not feeling good unless they are happy.

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I'm French so I understood each line!!!

Juliette used to be a doctor. One day she realized that her son had some symptom.
So she did some analyze at her lab and found that he was very ill and had not much time to live.

Then she took him away in and old house and made a party for him, just both of them, without alerting the father. She also said that during that night he almost couldn't move. Then she put him in bed and read all his favorite story and then told him she was going make him to injection. then she killed him by euthanize him.

She didn't tell to anyone about the result that she made in the lab. So no one knew that his son was going to die.

So the police just suspect her to kill her son for no reason and gave 15 years in prison.

hope u ll understand the end better now

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Thank you for sharing.

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That's total crap! This is France, not some sort of third-world country. Post-mortem examination is mandatory in a case or murder, and surely if the boy was so sick that he was unable to walk the post-mortem would find something. The premises would be searched, drugs, syringes, etc found.

There would be clues. She didn't do lab tests for nothing, there were symptoms. Other people would have noticed. He ex would have noticed, too(assuming that he continued to see the boy).

Besides you don't do just lab tests. You do MRI, Xray, ask for second opinion, etc. New treatments get invented all over the world - in Israel, US, Australia, Europe. A transplant may help.

No, the only way to make the story believable would be to have the boy treated in the hospital and when he is really bad, in terrible pain, and has days to live she injects him with overdoze of morphine or something. Then the whole "secret" thing falls apart.

Look, I love French movies, I like Kristin Scott Thomas in The English Patient, I like her performance in this movie, but the story is just not credible.





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I agree with most of your reasoning, but it's largely beside the point. The film seemingly wanted us to examine the mindset of a person insistent on punishing themselves out of grief. To some extent the above minutiae are incidental distractions from that story, and getting too sidetracked by them seems a bit like bemoaning the fact that the animals, the sun and the wind in Aesop's fables can't actually talk in real life, etc, etc.
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I suppose on a clear day you can see the class struggle from here.

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Thank you so much for explaining this. I enjoyed the movie, just because Kristin Scott Thomas is such an incredible actress, but at the end I was really banging my head against the wall. In medical terms, this movie made no sense whatsoever!

It reminded me of an old Saturday Night Live sketch, where a couple of guys called themselves "The Mercy Killers" and started going through hospitals at random and killing anyone who looked sick to them!

"Your next challenge is always your biggest." Joe Namath

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I understand what you say in your comments about this story with Kristin Scott Thomas, but you have to realise that maybe this movie was not portrayed as a modern one, but in times past where there were not so much knowledge about things, and maybe things were simpler then. Maybe as a doctor she gave a simple explanation as to why she killed her son, and had a hurried autopsy done, as a doctor. Who knows. I think depending on the time depicted, the movie can be credible.

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I think you missed a whole lot from the movie.


First of nowhere in the movie you hear that the death of the son was mystery or that his illness unknown to the authorities. The only thing that has been said is that Juliette remained silent, and the sister did not know the reason why she killed her and she did not know of the illness. And you totally missed the part about "the kidnap". She took away her son and god knows for how long she kept him with herself away from the father etc. before killing him that night at the Green House, which easily explains why the father was clueless too and witnessed against her. At the time her sister was probably 10 - 13 and the family totally prohibited any communication with her, even though she would not have shared anything anyhow. She did the tests herself, she has never looked for medical help from outside. That's why it was all secret, to the family and people who knew her, not to the police or the justice system.

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Thank you for the explanation about how she took her son to the house and had the party for him etc. I was watching the movie and then turned away while doing something in the kitchen, and of course because it was in subtitles, I missed what was said. It's much clearer to me now. Also, I couldn't understand why she was so withdrawn, but someone also cleared that up. These posts are really helpful, although if someone has not watched a show, the comments could be a real spoiler! :)

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Yes, she said she wanted to go to prison. What I thought was especially devastating was that she was punishing herself not for killing him, but for having giving birth to him in the first place, into such a tortured existence.

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You explained this very well. I am reminded of her actions or her inactions at the first job interview when she is confronted about her past. It had me wondering.
The performance is excellent, the movie is great. Subtle but powerful.

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yes, but if it takes YOU or a director to explain something that the film does not deliver or engage the audience with in thought and understanding - then it is too hidden and not worth thinking about. The whole point of film is a VISUAL exercise, and therefore the director needed to subtly awake this understanding in the viewer by directing the acting and the emotions and the vision of the story. With this subtle exercise the audience can indeed feel and sense depth, but the film is not deep or even thought provoking. It is tedious and long and hardly worth the journey. Enough of these director's hidden messages - get the point across in a way that interests the audience and don't leave it to interviews afterwards to 'explain'.

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I think that you might have to find a chance to see this film again and pay attention to the closing scenes. Everything to do with Juliette's motivations is clearly explained.

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But she is also angry at her family for desserting her. It makes no sense. She wants to punish herself. And she never tells anyone why she did it. And then she is angry at them for assuming the worst?

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You're exactly right. And why, when she herself reached the decision to kill her son, did she then feel it necessary to punish herself for it by allowing herself to be sentenced to prison. The entire premise of this movie is preposterous fluff, masquerading as deep meaningful drama.

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Do you think that was an easy decision to make? Even if she thought that was the best way to end her son's life, I am sure it must have been a horrifying and awful thing to do, probably putting her in a state where she couldn't think clear, perhaps a state of shock?

Which I think might have been part of why she didn't say anything in the courtroom, because to her, the whole situation was just too horrible to bear, and so she blamed herself because she couldn't save him and wanted to punish herself. But like some other posters talked about, it's the life after that is important here, the rest is only the background for the story. The important thing explored in the movie is the kind of emotional "jail" the character is in after something horrible happening 15 years back, and how she has to try and break out from it (and try to forgive herself).

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Well said. The posters who criticize her actions as "making no sense" have probably never experienced tragedy on the level of the main character. When you lose a loved one, much less your own son, there will always be incalculable guilt (note how she says it's not just the guilt of losing him but also the guilt of giving birth to him in the first place). Her decision to punish herself & also her hatred of those who carry on happy lives are very realistic psychological responses. The "preposterous fluff" are the films where someone loses a loved one and bounces back with a smile by the end of the movie. Walt Disney made a successful franchise out of films like that.

I like films like this, like "Leaving Las Vegas", like "The Fisher King", that show there are some self-imposed prisons that are more formidable than any penal system that society has invented. And there's no magical escape but to work at it for years & years.

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