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Why didn't she tell them, really? (spoilers)


I love this film, watched it twice, it's serious, meaningful and also somewhat feel-good, great performances by the two main actresses.

But I am beginning to think that the premise is a bit weak. "The worst prison is the death of a child." I don't doubt it. Some might commit suicide, some move away for some time. But would someone really go voluntarily into a prison for an indefinitely long? (As I understand, they suddenly freed her without prior announcement.)

There were others, there was her family, friends, their lives would be different, had they told them. "Do you think others matter at times like that?" At start I don't doubt they do. But there was the process at court, time went by, her head must have cooled enough for thinking straight.

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bole79,

I agree that the premise is the weakest part of this film. It is also somewhat incredible. This woman is a doctor. She finds out her kid is sick, very sick, and he will die. So what does she do? She kidnaps him and apparently hides out with him (tell me when I go wrong here, OK?). Then there is some dialogue at the denouement to her sister where she tells her sister that she was "going to inject him" or she "meant to inject him", something along those lines. Ambiguity is rampant here. Following that she says that she "pressed up against him all night" and in the morning he was dead.

OK. If I have that right I want to ask you: Did she inject him? It never says that she did, only that she was going to do so. And what does "pressed up against him" mean? Does that mean that she smothered him? Or did he just happen to die on his own that night?

Also, why did she say nothing? Did she really feel guilty enough - for the simple fact of having given birth to him - to just say nothing (particularly if she did not aid in his death, or even if she had) in court? Wasn't there an autopsy? What did they find? In a death of a child like that there almost certainly has to be an autopsy.

Why, really, why did she not tell her family? I find it particularly weak for her to say, "What could you have done?" and thereby indicate that because they couldn't have done anything for the kid that they should therefore be kept in the dark about all of it which sets the stage for this woman to martyr herself for the sake of alleviating her guilt at having passed on some bad gene to the child.

To me that indicates a really unbalanced mental state, I would think she would have been in a forensic prison for people with pathologies that might have been mitigating factors in the crime. Even without that, I would wonder a lot at how well-balanced this woman could have ever been given her actions with her child - not even considering whether or not she killed him, just considering her kidnapping and secreting him away to die. No wonder the husband hated her and testified against her.

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I really liked the movie but I had these same thoughts. I don't think it is possible for the family to not have discovered that the child was quite sick, surely some doctors or someone else must have known the child was sick and would have most likely come to her aid or at least explained that to the people trying to commit her for murder.

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My understanding is that she did inject him and stayed with him all night. She didn't see any reason to explain as they would be "excuses." She was guilty, both of giving him what I assume was a genetic disease and of ending his life.

My favorite part of the movie was when the sister, a professor of literature, rails against novels trying to explain murderers...what do they know? We can talk all day and try to explain every little detail, but what does it matter? What do we know? It happened, this was her story, her suffering, her punishment, her release.

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If she had told anybody, they would have wanted to take Pierre to hospital for medical treatment, which would have dragged out his painful death for the longest time possible. She killed him to make it as quick and as painless as could be.

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I think that's a correct assesment. People also tend to isolate after a tragic incident or if they're hiding something. That would probably explain why everyone around her described her as cold and distant. But the ending does hold alot of ambiguity.

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I know modern morality (thanks Neitzche) is mostly based on the extremely-personal, but I couldn't help feeling that this was very selfish and wrong of her.

Granted, the realization/death of the child with all of her guilt was extremely paralyzing and NO ONE could have felt it more. Granted also, that she wanted just to be quiet and greive. But doesn't it seem wrong to cause all the pain and anguish to her own family, mother, father and sister, just because she would have liked to not talk about it. This seems one of those cases where a very small comfort to her (that of keeping quiet in her greif) caused an almost endless pain to those close to her.

I think this was very wrong of her.

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She was probably suffering from PTSD.




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I think J says that she killed her son when he was so sick that he was no longer able to walk. She says something about terrible pain, choking, etc.
So it does sound like protracted death to me. How it was hidden from the rest of the family/people around her is beoynd belief (in fact she says that there were people around her: "we sang and smiled"). In real life someone would have called police/ambulance/Child Protection against wishes of the mother. In fact you NEED a family to hide a sick child, you cannot do it alone.

15 years seems to much for euthanazia of a terminally ill child by child's mother. At least in a country with jury system to get 15 years one has to be convicted of murder, not manslaughter, and what jury would possibly find a person guilty in such circumstances? In real life DPP would try to get manslaughter, jury may find guilty (or may not), and judge will reluctantly impose 3 years custodian sentense / 1 year non-parole plus mandatory psych treatment.

On a positive side: very strong performance by Kristin Scott Thomas who manages to be beautiful despite attempts to look ordinary.

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No, no. That scene, in the house with Lea, when Juliette is yelling about Pierre's arms writhing in pain, and him choking to death, I believe she's talking about what would have happened to him had she not killed him before the disease could reach that stage. Juliette explains that she knew he had this disease "from the earliest symptoms." Then she got the medical tests and, relatively soon after, took him to the Green House to have one last party and put him to sleep forever.

I don't think there were other people at the party besides her and Pierre - "we" can mean two people. Also, in response to an earlier poster, I think the people who described her as "cold" at the trial were experts assigned to evaluate her after Pierre was dead.

The whole point of the euthanasia was to avoid Pierre the pain and agony of the illness - an inevitable and unavoidable fate, she believed, due to her medical training I suppose. She wasn't trying to hide his illness, she was trying to end it. And since she didn't believe it could be cured, she pre-empted it.

She did it for him, but she blamed herself for its necessity and seemed to kind of welcome prison as an external representation of the punishment she felt she deserved anyway. Punishment for giving him a life that would end so soon, punishment for not being able to cure or protect him. She didn't tell the truth because she didn't want to talk about it, but also, I think, because she didn't wanna mitigate it. Didn't want to make excuses, didn't want pity - hatred and anger was easier to accept because that was how she felt toward herself.

I can definitely see the point of view of those who think this was a very selfish thing to do, in terms of the impact it had on her family - and likely Pierre's father as well. But I think the line between selfless and selfish is a very fluid one, and this story illustrates that well. Perhaps it was selfish of her to bury herself in the silent solitude of grief, secrets and prison...but was it not selfish of everyone else - those who loved her and knew her best - to let her do it? She sacrificed herself in that way, and threw away her other relationships in the process, but...I think it was easier for her family to believe the accusations and interpret her silence as a confession than to try to figure out what really happened. I think it was easier to hate and forget her than to...wrestle with the fact that someone they loved did something they hate, and work to understand why.

Her parents hated and ignored, but it was not as easy for Lea. And I think the post-prison relationship the sisters build forces Julietted to face the fact that her retreat from life actually did hurt someone, because Lea clearly remembered her every day. Lea was clearly left with questions and pain, unable to understand why, and unable to discuss it with anyone, but still unwilling to forget Juliette altogether.

I think this film is a beautiful look at...the way in which man-made definitions of crime and institutions like prison are often too shallow and simple to encompass the depth of truth and humanity. It's a gift to watch, ponder and discuss.

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Thank you jraetay you just saved me posting my own reply, I fully agree with your post here. Being french/ flemish speaking myself I guess it was easier for me to 'get' the movie compared to those who have to rely on someone else's translation and subtitles. After all people who translate, no matter how hard they try not to, will always put in their own interpretation of words and meaning of what is being said.

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What does being "flemish speaking" has to do with anything? It's not a language or culture issue, and being from Belgium--obviously--doesn't give you special insight.

I liked the movie thanks to the amazing acting of Kristin Scott Thomas (one of my favourite actresses) and Elsa Zylberstein, but I was disappointed and puzzled by the final revelation. Fifteen years is a long time not to reveal such an important fact, especially to the child's father or her own family. Extremely selfish and very hard to believe. The only plausible scenario for me would be that Juliette was mentally ill, even before the episode.

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LOL you obviously didn't read my post. Try it again, I explained it fully.
You are perfectly wrong, living here does give me insight that people on the other side of the world wouldn't 'get'. Try speaking another language, it's fun, even kids can do it!

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"If she had told anybody, they would have wanted to take Pierre to hospital for medical treatment, which would have dragged out his painful death for the longest time possible. She killed him to make it as quick and as painless as could be. "

yes, but that doesn't explain why she didn't tell them AFTERWARDS.

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Doesn't she say, whilst talking to her sister when all is revealed, that she felt responsible for her son becoming ill? That she was the one that gave birth to him and that therefore, she needed to be punished for that. She said something along the lines of "There was no need for questions." as her explanation for why she remained silent throughout the court trial. I think that explains it. She blames herself and as far as she's concerned, that's the end of it. What good will talking do? It won't bring her son back.

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The kind of knowledge the novelist has is an important complement to the knowledge of the moralist and sociologist. If nothing else, knowledge of literature allows one the pleasure of watching this movie.

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I too had some logistical questions at the end. Two questions. My initial interpretation (which none of you seemed to share) was that Pierre was perhaps the *brother* of the child that died fifteen some-odd years ago, because he expressed grief at the thought of his mother dying. I was picturing him as a small child, fearing her execution by the state (not after 1981, I would later find), or her murder by an inmate. Dad probably took him away, so, because she grieves so privately, maybe she wouldn't mention him. That was before I understood that it was a terminal genetic illness, and therefore there was probably only the one son after all. Of course she made no attempt to reconcile with a second son, nor was there a second name ever mentioned, so this idea fell apart.

Like many of you, my second question pertained to the lack of an autopsy performed on Juliette's son. I'm a funeral director with a working knowledge of French, so I tried to use that side of my brain that I never use to do a bit of research. I was able to determine that in cases of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome for example, 31% of French infants and only 5-10% of Belgian infants were autopsied. Compare these numbers to 79% for Germany, 95% for Denmark, and 97% for Sweden. Numerical ranges of 58-100% and 90-100% were given for UK and Norway respectively. (Whatever is meant by expressing the percentages as ranges, I couldn't say.) Here, in most if not all Canadian provinces, whenever a child under the age of 18 dies, it automatically becomes a case for the coroner to review, and I'm sure it's the same in the US. The reasons could be cultural, medical, legal, (I somehow doubt religious in this instance), or some combination. Therefore, the differences between audience *expectations* across the Atlantic can cause a feeling of watching an implausible storyline hastily wrapping up.

As for Juliette's grief reaction: not defending herself in court, watching her marriage end . . . well, how one grieves is very individual. Sure, she was being illogical. Death is illogical in and of itself, particularly when it takes children.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Hope the numbers were helpful.

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I am so glad that I am not the only one who thought the premise was weak for the same reasons that have been pointed out.
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I didn't get the disease was genetic. When was that info imparted? What scene? I didn't catch it.

To me, what she did was incongruous with her being a medical doctor. Not that doctors are impervious to emotion and psychological distress, but she just collapsed in on herself so completely. Why did she have to kidnap him? As a doctor, she would have complete access to him under any circumstance and still could have administered a 'mercy killing' to her child. It was totally selfish on her part to deprive her husband/the boy's father of being with his child.

Also, there's an answer to Juliette's question in that dramatic scene with her sister asking what could they have done? They could have loved her. That's what families do for each other in situations where life kicks us in our gut. As a doctor, she knows that disease can strike without rhyme or reason. Yes, it was her child and losing a child is a singularly painful experience. I get that.

But I just don't buy into how it was handled by Juliette. It was indulgent in a way that doesn't speak well of the character, so why care about her?

Ultimately, it ruined the film for me. Performances notwithstanding. I sat through this film for an emotional payoff and wasn't satisfied with what the writer/director offered up.

Also, what was the age difference between the sisters? I don't think that was thought through. In order for them to have had some childhood together and be a big sister to her, be available to look out for her, take her to dance classes, the years separating them could not be more than 10 years. And how old was Juliette when this happened? Lea? How could her parents brainwash her if she wasn't really young. For Juliette to be a doctor and a mother she had to have been at least 30. How old could Lea have been in order to be brainwashed and unable to go see her sister of her own free will without her parents keeping her from doing that?

As a writer, I get the feeling that the script writer only had a vague idea of a relationship between an older and younger sister, without really understanding how it would play out with the older one being a doctor. There was no consideration about how long it would take for her to become a doctor, then have a child, plus the child's age, who was old enough to write.

This may seem trivial, but it's part of the problem with the whole premise. The younger sister seems emotionally connected to childhood memories of her older sister. That could only happen if they had significant shared experiences before the older one went off to school and her adult life. And again, her parents could only brainwash her if she was young enough to be under their domination. It's harder to dominate older teens who tend to be rebellious by nature and will find ways to defy their parents if they want to.

Ultimately, these questions kept me from feeling this was a good film. I really cannot accept that Juliette would rather go to prison, be perceived a monster by her family for killing her son when it was in reality a mercy killing, not a cold-blooded one. (Obviously, I'm not pro-life.)

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I don't see why Juliette has to wait to become a full fledged doctor before having her son. She could have had him while still doing her residency. I estimated the age difference between the sisters to be 10-12 years. At the time Pierre died, Lea was probably a teenager, and could have been influenced by her parents and by her own emotions too. It is unclear why Juliette could not share her painful discovery about her son's disease with her family, but when people are in great deal of pain, they can do illogical things. She was obviously devastated by what happened to her son, and probably had no desire to live a normal life. That's how I interpreted her illogical behavior.

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I think Vash ebas and CDTUFS (in another thread) are on the right track. Yesterday I watched Il y longtemps ... with my girlfriend. She found Juliette's behavior absolutely credible. That does not mean every single woman would do the same. This particular character did and that's what the movie is about.
Juliette has answered the initial question in the final scene. Whom should she have told? Her teenage sister? Now that's what I call cruelty. Her parents? Her colleagues? They would have tried to stop her. Her ex? Come on, she was just divorced.
Another point is the guilt-question. In the entire movie I haven't seen a single sign that Juliette felt guilty. She felt trapped, she felt she did the only thing she could do and after the death of her son she felt empty as she had lost her reason to exist. Juliette wanted to go to prison as the rigid structure and predictability was a sort of comfort or at least a hold.
We don't learn much about the trial. Some rumors notwithstanding active euthanasy on minors is strictly prohibited everywhere in Europe. Certainly a mother is not pardoned, especially one who does not show regret, refuses to defend herself and simply keeps silence. Such an attitude does not soften any judge. Juliette being intelligent probably knew that and maintained her attitude deliberately.
Quite a few mothers have done things to their childred more cruel than we can imagine. In that light I think it very realistic that a mother/doctor would murder her child out of love and would not allow anybody in the world to interfere. Juliette paid the ultimate price of motherlove.

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You are sinking under the weight of your assumptions.

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It's strongly implied that the disease was genetic when Lea admits she adopted her two Vietnamese girls because she was afraid of giving birth. Juliette asks whether that was because of what happened to herself, i.e., because Juliette's son had a terrible genetic illness, & Lea indicates agreement. It certainly doesn't seem as if Lea was physically afraid of pregnancy or labor.

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This theory can't be right, because when Lea adopted her children, she had NO idea that Pierre had a disease, genetic or otherwise. The whole point of the movie is that we find out that what Juliette did wasn't some totally depraved murder, but a mercy killing (whether you agree with that or not, most people would probably agree that it's not strict 'murder one.').

The agreement Lea makes is that she didn't want to have biological children because of what Juliette did (not the reason she did it). She was traumatized by the act itself, probably because she didn't understand it. Why she felt there might be a difference with adopted children, I can't quite figure out.

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Good point. Could just be a plot hole.

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Yes, the age difference between them was a major flaw in the story. Don't get me wrong, Juliette played a great part and was so into her character. She made the movie what it was, really a great film. I mean, an older actress wouldve clearly helped to change the cohesion problems. Im going out on a limb here, but maybe the original story called for an older actress, but when casting they decided to choose her and go for a younger actress. That decision would probably help this film appeal to a slightly larger audience... (or maybe im just way off). So yes, that vagueness left a sort of 'empty spot' to me in the story.

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I agree there are logical holes in the script.

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She didn't care if she went to jail cause either way her child was dead, so nothing mattered

Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn

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I can understand the human conditions that can make a mother euthanize her child. I can understand wanting to go to prison to punish yourself. I can understand and sympathize with Juliette on many different levels. The one plot hole I can't get over is the fact that an autopsy should have detected this unspecified disease, which would have brought Juliette's motives into question. IF it did come out at trial, I could see her still getting 15 years in prison, but there is no way that the family would have not been able to find out the truth. UNLESS, the family knew and STILL shunned Juliette and never told Lea the truth. Hence, Lea grew up believing a lie. Dad died of cancer, Mom has Altzheimer's...nobody left to spill the beans. Still not totally plausible though. Maybe the movie was purposely scripted this way - to make people think...?

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No holes. J killed her son, and in the morning turned herself in. She confessed she killed him, but never bothered to anyone why. From everybody's POV, she kidnapped the boy, hid him for some months (i am not sure about that, i mean how lonf he was 'missing') and then murdered him. She was the only one who knew about his fatal illness. There was no autopsy simply because it was never needed: there was a killer and a weapon. The only missing part was the motive - but this was never given to anyone in the world but J herself. BTW, even if an autopsy was held and it was brought up in the trial, there was no one attending who could interpret the boy's sickness as the motive, as J never brought it up.
And about J's parents: they were so shocked they shut her off completely immediately. They never attended the trial. They knew she kidnapped the kid: bothe were missing for some time. They knew she turned up back again with their dead grandson, confessing she took his life. That was it - and the baffled L, who was a teenager, was made not to bring the subject of her monsterous sister up, ever.

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Because otherwise there wouldn't have been a movie. Or it would have been a very short one.

This is an example of one of Roger Ebert's movie rules: "If you find yourself caught up in a situation that could be cleared up quickly with a simple explanation, for goodness sakes keep your mouth shut." I don't think that necessarily detracts from this movie's overall value. Making Juliette's crime and her motivation for it a gradually unraveling mystery draws us into the story and heightens the emotional impact.

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This is good film with excellent acting all around. What spoils it is that the plot is based on a very shaky and hard to accept premise [ which everyone here has already discussed]. I know the theme is really about the relationship between the two sisters, and you aren't supposed to worry about the plot holes, but they sit there like the ape in the living room and you can't forget them. You start thinking about them, and then the movie doesn't seem so good.

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Well, I think the plot was strong and tight if you carefully add all the information and hints the writer/directog left through the whole thing. But since the theme was not the string of events and their refolding (to Lea OR the audience), it was sufficient to let the logic behind the events to remain in the bacround, not fully explained but exists and explainable if necessary.

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You are right. It's a weak premise. For me it spoiled the film and I wouldn't watch it again. The mother kept it secret for 15 years that her kid was sick??? Why??? It doesn't make sense at all. Since the foundation is non-existent, it's a bad movie...

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What a maroon, geekBruin. Even if she had explained her motive, the premeditation would still have made it murder, legally. She said she wanted to go to prison, which she would have anyway. She would have felt even worse if they had somehow pardoned her, but they wouldn't have. "Oh, you killed him because he was terminally ill and beginning to suffer? That's okay, then, you can go home." The pain inflicted on her by that punishment was nothing compared to his pain which he would have suffered had she let him die of his illness. Perhaps her prison experience may have been the most appropriate thing from her point of view, as it removed her from her mundane life, in the same way that people who self-mutilate do it to find relief from emotional pain of a much worse kind. But it comes down to the fact that she did it to spare him that horrible death from his illness, and even if she had revealed that, it wouldn't have made any difference in her punishment.

I too thought at first that the premise was weak because I began to suspect early on what was behind her crime and punishment, but the ending reveals the theme: You never know who or what someone really is until you know ALL the facts, and people are rarely how they appear. It's food for thought. The beauty of the film is in how she gradually sheds her coating of ice and opens up to her family. There doesn't have to be any dramatic surprise ending to make it a beautiful film, just as it it doesn't rely on sex, violence, loud music, or special effects.

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After reading all the other comments here I have this to add:

- I doubt that an autopsy would have revealed the boy's illness unless they were specifically looking for it. Since Juliette was apparently the only person who knew about it -- she said she did the lab tests herself -- then there would have been no reason to identify anything other than the cause of death, which was likely some sort of drug. If the disease hadn't progressed very far the boy probably would've appeared normal from an anatomic point of view.

- I believe that she initially didn't tell anyone because she wanted to spare her son the endless hospital visits, tests, and all the other trauma that she knew was useless anyway. Also, she probably wanted her son to die with dignity rather than in a hospital bed with tubes sticking out of him. If she'd told her family they likely would have interfered because they wouldn't have understood just how much physical suffering they would be subjecting him to. The fact that she was a doctor -- a researcher, more specifically, who may have understood his disease more thoroughly than an average practitioner -- was crucial to the film's plot holding together. She would have been the only one to appreciate the magnitude of what he was going to go through, and therefore she kept it to herself in order to spare him further pain.

- Later, she didn't tell anyone because she wanted to go to prison. She blamed herself for his disease and death, so a prison sentence was just the inevitable outcome of the tragedy that began as soon as she diagnosed him. Allowing her family to believe she was a heartless murderer was perhaps easier for her somehow than dealing with their sympathy. There's probably a lot we weren't told about her parents; I assumed from some of the dialogue that they weren't the most loving family. She may not have known how to lean on them for support the way most of us would in that situation. Obviously her parents were all too ready to disown her after it happened, and never once contacted her in the 15 years she was in prison; that says a lot about the family dynamic. Most parents stand by their children no matter what kind of terrible things they do.

- I assumed that, not knowing of the genetic disease Pierre had (and indeed the audience doesn't know it either at that point), Lea's fear of giving birth stemmed from her assumption that pregnancy had driven her sister mad. There have been many well-documented cases of postpartum depression that lasts years and years, so it's not too far-fetched for that to have been Lea's conclusion, particularly since Juliette herself didn't offer up any explantion. Even the remotest possibility that I might go crazy and murder my kid would probably make me adopt too.

- The disease was definitely genetic -- Juliette says that she had given birth to him and doomed him to die, i.e., it was something he had been born with.

Wow, long-winded much? Hope this clarifies some of the apparent plot holes a little.

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Someone in a previous post said something along the lines of , her kid was dying it would be tragic I get it but.....sry that was really roughly quoted but was something like that.

I really do not think you DO 'get' it...you think she should be considering her parents, her sister, her husband, herself... this is her child, she carried him for 9mths , she's nursed him, she's bathed him , she worships the ground he treads, she dreams of giving him everything and seeing him grow up into a strong man and of all the wonderful things he'll do, he is an extension of herself he's is more than her, more than anyone in the universe, if a heavenly (yeah like that exsists!- another topic!) being came down and said, "choose, the rest of the universe dies or your child dies?", she'd choose her child to live in a heartbeat.
I've not lost a child of my own so neither can I truley 'get' it but as a child I watched a mother lose her son to an accident, a friend lose his brother to anuerysm, as an adult I've watched my sister lose a child, my whole family lose a niece, sister, cousin, grandchild to a brief but painful tragic death by leukemia aged 10. I have a son he's now 10, I'd rather die than see him harmed, I would have done the exact same thing she did in the same circumstances, except I don't think I would've of felt guilt over genetics etc not enough to go on living and punishing myself having to be in the world when he wasn't, I'd make sure to bring two injections. Having only one child affords me that luxury though and is intentional for the exact reason.
I remember I was 14 and I stood and watched my friends mum standing at his grave wondering how can she still be breathing, knowing she sent him out that night , if only she'd gone to fetch his brother herself he wouldn't of died, then it hit me his brother, his other siblings of course she had to go on living, she had to look after them too, and I saw the hell that must be, no thanks not I. The only people a parent can even begin to consider when facing a childs death is their other child/ren, I've seen that happen, they cling to them and everything and everyone outside that is gone, for a long time, perhaps forever.

No I really really do not think you GET it!

We all know, we aren't facing the untimely and painful death of our child, we're watching movies about it and debating the issues, we're clear minded at present WE know its very bad situation for the father and the rest of the family and her actions have caused them pain in one way but is it any more painful what they assume happened than if she had told them the truth and they had all watched him die a long or short painful death? They lost two people instead of just the boy but they had lost her too anyway, she will never be the same person again (in a way the movie shows she does get some 'self' back in the end but only after it shows the hell she's endured) but to expect a person in her circumstances esp with the knowledge she had of what her child was about to go through, to be thinking in any way of anyone, other than her child or even afterwards expect her to have the strength or motivation to explain to them what had happened shows a simple lack of humanity.

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i agree with the original poster. the question is not why she killed her son. the question is why she:

a) made no attempt to verify the diagnosis or seek new or alternative treatments. contrast this to the new film "extraordinary measures." 2nd opinion? she didn't even get a first opinion! (she's the mom, so her diagnosis doesn't count).

b) kept him away from his aunt and grandparents for the month before he died. she could have driven him away and killed him the same day. she would have no concern that he would eventually get stuck in pain in the hospital, she is a doc with access to meds; she could have killed him in his hospital bed at any point. this is not for her son's benefit, and it is cruel. she has absolutely no compassion for how her son, her sister, and her parents would feel with that gratuitous separation.

the ending of the film implies that we have been sympathizing with a cold, heartless woman, and it feels eerie. euthanasia is movingly depicted in "million dollar baby," the isolation following the loss of a child is movingly depicted in "blue."

"i've loved you too long" feels like "memento" or "angel heart"; starts out as a drama and morphs into a horror story. only not as convincingly done.

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The endind was weak and sort of just tagged on to show she wasn't a monster.

I get that she felt guilty and wanted to spare her son the pain from dying slowly - but, she not only punished herself but her whole family by keeping quiet about his illness afterwards. It would have been much easier on them to know why she did it rather than thinking she was a cold killer who killed her son who had his whole life ahead of him. She punished everyone by keeping quiet and made their grieving for the child and her (as a murderer) so much more painful.

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I would surmise that this would be a form of self-punishment. She mentioned she was indeed guilty and could not find any excuses for her act even though she felt she had to do this. In her mind she was completely guilty and did not want to shirk the punishment, reduce it or abate what she saw as its horrific nature. I am certain that had she received the death penalty she would have indeed welcome it and had it been longer she would not have minded.

Even though the trial would have been lengthy, in essence she was already dead and no longer cared what happened to her or what others thought.

I perfectly understand her state of mind and it is completely believable to me.

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The world of Juliette is with her kid, when the kid was gone, her life was gone mostly. Telling them does not save her kid, and she was doomed to suffer from the rest of her life since she did it to end his misery; from the view point of criminology, she killed him, without a doubt, no matter what the reason is.

Yes, people would understand, but still it could not change the fact. Even her family, including Lea, who was just pre-teen when the crime was committed, would NOT understand, the lost of life...ask whom for help ? Why bother telling them ? It is gone.

When Lea got agitated by her student's question, she asked: who know the truth behind the murder, how could writer of the great literature know the true story.

So when the cop killed himself, she didn't ask why, because she knew, and it won't help to mend the tragedy.

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The film undermines itself by revealing a fairly psychotic sensibility in a character it is essential we empathised with. I'm afraid I lost all the sympathy that the film had taken such excruciating pains (nearly two hours of agonised weeping) to build up.

No problem with someone choosing to punish themselves for the sake of their personal neuroses - that was her choice - but to spread it around, to cast a pall of gloom over the whole family for much of their lives is simply reprehensible. I expect better psychology in a French film.

Incomprehensible logic. Zero sympathy. Film fail.

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