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Souleyman deserves multiple kicks to the nuts.


He's the one that acted like an *beep* on purpose (the reason for his behavior never being explained, don't know if this was intentional on the director's part), sitting at the back all "I'm too cool for this class" and perpetually lashing out at others.
He got what he deserved in the end, such a kid who doesn't want to be helped needs to be kicked out.

The larger point is, I don't get how tolerant teachers seem to be in Western schools in general, of insolent and disruptive behavior in classes.
Bit of background first- I'm Indian. I've seen the point made here in other threads that French schools enforce more discipline and teachers command more respect than their American counterparts, but for me Indian schools go way beyond.

Kids would get suspended or expelled for far less than what has been shown here - insulting a teacher and injuring a classmate is absolutely not tolerated. And I haven't even got to that American archetype: the school bully who beats up smaller kids and takes their lunch money. No such kid would last long in an Indian school.

Maybe it's an 'Eastern' thing - Asian countries (newsflash: India is in Asia,for all those who think Asian=Far East/Oriental only) value respect for elders.
This includes teachers, and given that a teacher is supposed to be a knowledgeable adult who's teaching you, there is a sense of innate respect that the Indian student has which his Western counterparts either completely lack, or have in a much more diminished capacity.

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In general I wouldn't fault either teachers or their administration, but the kids' parents. Far too many parents will baby their kids and take their side reflexively when they have a problem with the teacher. They enable the poor behavior. It's very hard as a teacher to reform a kid's behavior if his/her parent doesn't reinforce what you're trying to do. If you - who sees them one hour a day - stress the importance of an education but Mom and Dad (who see them for far longer than you do) don't, guess what happens.

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In general I wouldn't fault either teachers or their administration, but the kids' parents. Far too many parents will baby their kids and take their side reflexively when they have a problem with the teacher. They enable the poor behavior. It's very hard as a teacher to reform a kid's behavior if his/her parent doesn't reinforce what you're trying to do. If you - who sees them one hour a day - stress the importance of an education but Mom and Dad (who see them for far longer than you do) don't, guess what happens.


copout. easy to blame the parents who are out of sight, out of mind and out of academic evaluation. as a kid who behaved more or less exactly as souleymane did in high school, whilst socializing with others who did the same, i can confidently make two points:

a) most kids like that have only minimal interaction with their parents anyway. they go to school, go out on the streets til 11 or 12, come home, go to bed, wake up, go to school, repeat
b) even if they do have dinner with (etc) their parents, they often just have the same insolent attitude to them as they do to their teachers. its true that lackadaisical parentage may increase a child's willingness to be insolent, but i doubt it's enough to weigh out statistically the likelihood that disciplinarian parentage will increase a child's resentment of authority and aggression towards others

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most kids like that have only minimal interaction with their parents anyway. they go to school, go out on the streets til 11 or 12, come home, go to bed, wake up, go to school, repeat


And that is the parents' fault. It's on the opposite end of the spectrum - neglecting their upbringing. Good parenting is neither of the two extremes.

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