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Father's adulteress affair


Why wasn't the father expelled for his adulteress affair which involved sex but the elders show up at Sara's door for living with her boyfriend and harrassing her?

" Benny, you silly great fat article"

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Because he obviously repented and never repeated it, whereas she was well-known to reside permanently in the young man's home as his girlfriend.

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Well there's that and the fact the society they were in and the culture is very male oriented. It's based in Abrahamial social structure where women are to "know their place", so when women do something wrong the penalty is that much greater.

The fact that Sara's father was a former elder in the church (and became one again) also probably had something to do with him getting off easier.

"Bulls**t MR.Han Man!!"--Jim Kelly in Enter the Dragon

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No.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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if the Father was repentant of his affair, he would be privately reproved or public reproved
difference is how well known was his actions known among the congregation or public
second, he would not be re-appointed an elder so soon
an elder who seriously errs with in an adulterous affair cannot serve for many many years and he would have restrictions on privileges like commenting or participating in other activities except preaching
so they got the information wrong
the elders in general do not want to disfellowship a member who confesses to serious wrongdoing. it all depends on the individual is they demonstrate a repentant attitude and have righted the wrong by their actions
if some one does not care about what they have done or doing, they are disfellowshipped from the congregation to protect them from their bad influence

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You have to realize that this is not 100% the same as the real story. Usually, he would not be expelled if re repented (dont remember if that is the right word in english). However, he would be dismissed as an elder.

And women get the same treatment as men do in these cases. They will also not be expelled if they repent.

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True. Two people committing the same "sin" does not always get the same judgment(worst is disfellowshipping, second is public reproof in which the wrongdoer is announced/reproved in front of the congregation, then lastly private reproof or strong counsel)...

Different factors come into play when a "judicial committee" meets with the wrongdoer to decide the appropriate disciplinary action to take. The primary intent of the committee is to help the person to repentance. Extenuating circumstances are considered... was it premeditated or done deliberately? was it a one time act, a slip, or a repetitive offense? does the person show repentant attitude or rather defensive and justifies the sin? Did the person come forward to confess guilt or di he/she tried to hide it? also considerd is the extent of damage done(hurt parties, the resulting scandal, the reproach it brought to the congregation)...

All of it has nothing to do with gender.

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"All of it has nothing to do with gender."

Are you kidding?? Gender differences are woven throughout the ENTIRE religion to the downgrade of females, including the DF'ing process. Where are you getting your info for your comments even from?? Seriously.

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The patriarchy is firmly in place with the Witnesses. A woman cannot divorce her husband if he abuses her, because that's not allowed according to the Bible. She can't divorce him if he abuses the children. She is told that if she were a better wife, if she shows her husband kindness, and responds in a mild and deferential manner, that he will quit beating her. Do you know what happens to women who don't get away and/or don't fight back? They die. But I guess that's okay, because then they'll have an awesome eternal life in paradise.

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Recent literature shows this to be true. Of course you have to ask for the study edition, it isn't something they willingly show the public. Even if you ask to see it, you probably wont get a copy. You have to be fully indoctrinated to believe the stuff they are dishing out.

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1. Jehovah's Witnesses allow separation for
-willful nonsupport (financial, emotional,verbal,mental,spiritual, physical, etc.)(1 Timothy 5:8)
-Extreme physical abuse and endangerment of life (Galationa 5:19-21)

There is provision for both male and female spouses to leave (1 Corinthians 7:10-16). To endanger one's own life is against God's standards in their view, so the decision to "obey God rather than men" can also mean a willful separation of a married couple due to abuse and neglect.

And for the person saying that you can't get a Watchtower until your baptized, you are misinformed. All you have to do is ask.

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Furthermore, it would take some time for him to be reappointed as an elder in any congregation. He was practically reappointed after a few weeks in the movie. That wouldn't have happened at all.

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The Witnesses don't like to disfellowship a person without first making contact. It's not harrassment unless the person tells them to not return and they do so anyway. But it would be completely wrong for them to disfellowship anyone without a sincere attempt to contact the individual so as to know what that person wants.

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You can repent anything and stay in good standing (lose your privileges like elder, the way he did)
Beat your wife, molest your child, steal from your neighbor, have an affair, murder etc. (no, I am not exaggerating) Of course the elders who judge you in their judicial commitee will read your heart to tell you if you are sincere or not. If you are loyal to the organization, most likely you will be given a slap on the wrist.
Question the organization however, and you are disfellowshipped and shunned before you can say, WTF?. That is why the mother was hiding her feelings. Why she told her daughter she couldn't forgive dad. It wasn't dad, or the affair, she no longer believed. She had to keep that secret shut tight if she wanted to see her children.

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Exactly. Successfully being a JW and staying in, or leaving them and getting out, both take strategies if one wants to maintain one's rights, "priviledges," relationships, etc. Just games played in that Matrix.

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