I absolutely loved it!


This is only episode 1 - can someone tell me how many parts thanks.

Wow it really was in my opinion amazing - the quality of the acting and setting was superb. The BBC really have a nack with Dickens - I must say I haven't been this enthralled by a series on television since the mesmerising Bleak House a few years back. With any luck this will turn into something of similar quality.

I loved Mr. Bumble (Anyone remember Rab C Nesbitt? lol)

and Oliver was such a good pick - not an annoying kid I was expecting.

Dodger was again brilliant with a perfect accent. Such talented actors I noticed.

Fagin - now I haven't read the book (unfortunately but no doubt will go on to) what part of the world is he supposed to be from? - again I enjoyed his performance.

Nancy - I was really looking forward to see Sophie and wasn't disappointed - and Bill - what presence and menace that actor radiated.

Sorry for blabbing on but I am really excited about this series - can someone please take the time to answer some of my queries thanks.

Oh yeah and the music - at first I was a bit hesitant but I think it is different and works really well.

Oh and who is this Monks character? I can't remember him from other versions I've seen and is it him from that credit card advert? lol


"When I light a candle at midnight I say to the darkness I beg to differ"-Sr. Helen Prejean

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There's five episodes in total but the other four are only 30 minutes long instead of an hour.
They're being shown everyday until saturday.
That means I will probably video the other episodes and watch them in one as I'm working both thursday and saturday evening.

I loved it too though, so many actors I love in it especially Timothy Spall as Fagin and Tom Hardy as Bill Sikes.

(And yes Monks is played by Julian Rhind Tutt of the barclaycard ads with fellow Green Wing star Stephen Managan.)

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Yes thanks for that - shame the others are only 30 mins - then again so were Bleak house I think.

I too liked Fagin, Bill and Nancy.

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I was looking forward to this, but was sorely disappointed, for the following reasons:

1. Schizophrenic soundtrack - we heard, alternately, something like chamber music; heavy rock; vaguely folky stuff; country and western (or similar); I could have sworn that there was a steel band in there somewhere too. Whatever it was, it just jarred against the backdrop of Olde London Towne, and was a distracting annoyance.

2. Anachronism - Mr Brownlow's ward, Rose, sings "Abide with Me". Oliver Twist was written in 1837 and is set in an earlier period, but the words to "Abide with Me" weren't written until the late 1840s, and the familiar tune (which Rose played on the piano) wasn't composed until the 1860s.

3. Unnecessary plot inventions - Oliver receives a (wax sealed) letter at Brownlow's asking him to meet an anonymous "friend"at Golden Lane. This prompts Oliver to volunteer to return Mr Brownlow's book, and leads to his recapture by Sikes and Nancy. In the book, Brownlow demonstrates his trust in the child by asking him to return his book personally. Mr Grimwig (absent from this scene, and presumably the whole "play") wagers Brownlow that Oliver won't return. This little passage in the book is both touching and mildly comical, thanks to the stuffy Grimwig offering to "eat his head", so why cut it out?

What the heck was that "eating oakum" bit doing in the Workhouse scene, or the over-egged monologue by that chap on the Board of Guardians? And presumably Oliver's "anonymous friend" who lures him to Golden Lane was Monks - but he doesn't appear on the scene until two-thirds of the way through the book, and he isn't asking for Oliver to be killed when he does!

4. I love Gregor Fisher, but here his accent was all over the place. Perhaps this was to suggest Mr Bumble "putting on airs" in different company, but if so it didn't quite work. If someone thought this device would somehow improve on Dickens, they were misguided. In the book Bumble's subtle malapropisms pepper his dialogue no matter what company he's in, and it works well - so why change a winning formula?

5. Twee names - where did "you can call me Dodge" come from? Likewise "Fagey" - what the ___? Thank God Master Bates hasn't featured yet - the mind boggles what nickname they'd have in store for him. Not only are these untrue to the book, they smack of a very modern familiarity. Can we look forward to "Psiko" and "Nance" getting it on in later scenes?

6. The Dodger - no spark at all, I'm afraid, the dialogue almost auto-cued in its delivery. Some of the bit-part players in the musical "Oliver!" had more pep, and Jack Wild must be turning in his grave right now.


On the plus side, Timothy Spall's Fagin is intriguing - I'd expect nothing less from this fine actor, although an "avaricious old skeleton" he ain't! I look forward to seeing how this character develops.

Thankfully, William Miller gives a decent enough performance in the title role - at last we have a non-weepy Oliver with a non-posh accent, which is how it should be. Perhaps he's a little too knowing, but that's almost certainly down to the script - his cockiness before the Workhouse Guardians was another unnecessary departure from Dickens, for instance. But he plays the part well, and full credit for that.


Overall, though, this was terribly uneven and a great let-down.

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I should at first make it clear that I missed the opening, so didn't hear Oliver ask for more, but began watching it I presume not long after that.

1. Schizophrenic soundtrack
I agree entirely. Self-consciously modern music was adopted to rebel against what was seen as the stuffy cliche of period orchestral music and to make Dickens (or Jane Austen or whomsover) "feel modern". But this has been done very often now, and frankly has iself become a cliche. And a far worse one, as the first experiment proved beyond doubt that it doesn't work. It's just silly, distracting and disorientating. The job of a decent production is to make the period itself feel contemporary, without distorting the sense of time and place by overlaying it with jarringly anachronistic music. it's really an admission of defeat.
I love Gregor Fisher, but here his accent was all over the place.
Well I maybe don't quite love him, but I agree about his accent. Far far more ghastly, however, was Michelle Gomez, playing Mrs Sowerberry, who any sensible or sentient director should have reprimanded, restrained or sacked for such a ghastly display of accent-churning and mannered over-acting. Why people of a thespian persuasion start grimacing and gurning the second they put on a top hat or crinoline is beyond me. Perhaps Christmas pantos are to blame. Be that as it may, decent directors need to slap actors once in a while, not indulge them. (Apologies for that to my actor friends.)
Not only are these untrue to the book, they smack of a very modern familiarity
We part company here. Unnecessary, maybe; a bit "Eastenders", perhaps. But I found the banter tolerable enough for dramatic reasons - to release the tension, if nothing else - and so unexceptionable.
The Dodger - no spark at all, I'm afraid, the dialogue almost auto-cued in its delivery.
I didn't mind him at all. That non-stop cheeky-chappy banter routine struck me as Dodger's assumed style. All a bit forced, the way cheeky-chappy banter can be, but intentionally so. He's not the best Dodger by any means, I agree, but tolerable enough, in a low-key televeision way. That's again a directorial or casting problem: Dodger gives a more low-key "TV" performance, and others give hugely mannered theatrical ones. They don't sit well together.
On the plus side, Timothy Spall's Fagin is intriguing - I'd expect nothing less from this fine actor, although an "avaricious old skeleton" he ain't! I look forward to seeing how this character develops.
I remain undecided but less optimistic. I've never quite seen the appeal of Mr Spall. I somehow always see the actor behind the gestures, and never more so than here, where he seems doubly self-conscious and theatrical in his delivery. While the conception of the role is interestingly new (perhaps a touch of Mickawber has snuck in), the accent is still old-style Alec Guiness, if a little more blurred.
William Miller gives a decent enough performance in the title role - at last we have a non-weepy Oliver with a non-posh accent, which is how it should be. [...] he plays the part well, and full credit for that
I'm less sure about him. But I've been spoilt. Having just watched Cranford, and seen Alex Etel give an extraordinarily moving performance in the final episode, young Mr Miller struck me as, by comparison, rather inert. When he arrives in London, sits by the wall and cries, it all feels terribly mechanical and I remained utterly unmoved by his plight. But then, the director may need to shoulder some of the blame for this as well.

Tom Hardy (playing Bill Sykes) is an impressive and promising actor - one of the best of his generation - and I found him pretty acceptable here, but a little muted. Perhaps he is trying hard not to overact, but somehow I think he is capable of generating much more electricity and a sense of danger. Perhaps he's saving himself for later. But there's really no spark at all between him and Nancy and, given that both he and Sophie Okonedo are appealing enough performers, I can't help but think that the director is at fault, yet again.


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Having just watched Cranford,

Bit of a problem that, isn't it? Starting this 48 hours after the BBC have raised their own bar to a new height where I think it will stay for bit.

My problem is that Oliver Twist has become like Christmas Carol or even Aladdin (to pick up your panto thread). Familiar ground, lots of memorable and unmemorable versions of every big scene. I like Hardy as Sykes. But is he as good as Oliver Reed? I like Sophie as Nancy but will she surpass Kay Walsh, or even Emily Woof? Folk memory even contains a musical soundtrack with hideously persistent tunes and lyrics.

If you can't have novelty, you have to rely on skill and craftsmanship and there simply isn't enough go round in this. This team would have done much better doing The Old Curiosity Shop (we'll get to see how ITV pull that one off soon) or The Pickwick Papers (Spall might make a decent Pickwick) or any Dickens that isn't tackled every other year.

God knows there's enough out there.

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Thoroughly enjoyed it. Shame the rest are only 30 minutes' long. I agree with some of the points raised above - particularly about the anachronisms both in the soundtrack and the familiar nicknames - but hey, compared to yet another programme of Celebrity Pointless Reality Toss clogging up the schedules, this stuff is priceless.

Thought Tom Hardy was wonderful - it was a menacingly restrained performance, quite convincingly and casually suggesting the violence he's capable of precisely through the downplaying of it. Quite chilling. Timothy Spall's fey Fagin was more ambivalent - an interesting approach, not sure I'm entirely sold on it, though.

It's not perfect, but it's highly enjoyable and I'm certainly not going to complain about Cranford, Oliver Twist and The Old Curiosity Shop being shown so close together. Christmas is at least good for that.

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I'm disappointed other didn't enjoy it - at first the music was the same for me - but I grew to enjoy it a bit more - I love the hints of flamenco guitar I'm sure I heard.

Shame it isn't that loyal to the book then.

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I love the hints of flamenco guitar I'm sure I heard.


I certainly didn't expect to hear one in Oliver Twist!

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This is good but not the best Oliver Twist I've saw. The ITV adaptation is miles better and the way this is structed, it resembles a rushed rip off of it. It's a good, promising cast although I'm not sure about the Oliver yet and was disappointed with Timothy Spall's Fagin. He's a terrific actor yet I don't belive in his performance. And the stupid accent is a bizarre input. Also as a previous poster said, the soundtrack is just wrong.

Mr Bumble, Mr Brownlow, Mrs Sowerberry are very realistic but for me so far, Tom Hardy's Bill Sikes is amazing. He's only spoke a few lines but his presence is really felt. I think it should improve significantly!

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I agree with a lot of the points you made. My biggest beef though is the intertwining of the Rose Maylie and Mr Brownlow stories. In the book, Oliver spends time with Mr Brownlow and the lady servant (can't remember her name!), but it isn't until he breaks into the Maylies' house for Sikes that he meets Rose. Episode three will probably cover what happens after he gets shot during the break in, but it leaves me a little confused as to how they'll stage this. I guess they're trying to condense story lines, but it escapes me why they haven't just cut out the unnecessary scenes, like the over dramatic board supper (in which Oliver insults board members).

Also, does anyone know the origin of the word 'Cushty'? Sikes used it tonight (Ep 2) and it seemed a little out of place. With all the Cockney I kept expecting someone to offer to go dahhhhnn the Vic for a pint. Maybe it's because I am constantly aware the writer has done work for Eastenders...

As a piece of drama, it's really good though, and my problems with it stem purely from a student's point of view!

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Also, does anyone know the origin of the word 'Cushty'?

Apparently, it derives from the Romany "kushti", which means "good" - if so, it's not inconceivable that it may have been used in London's East End during Dickens' time. And there was I thinking it was coined in the 1980s by John Sullivan having Delboy Trotter mispronounce "cushy"... :)

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I'm not very taken with this new version of 'Oliver Twist' at all, for reasons which have pretty much all already been mentioned.
The one positive thing from it is that I'll now rewatch the BBC's 1985 mini-series version (it may look a bit technically dated now, but it's still the best TV adaptation of the story, IMHO) again as soon as possible, so I guess I can give the new one a thumbs up for this. :\

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Cushty nowadays means comfortable / cosy. Also, it can be like it's all sorted / it's all good.

It's used quite a lot where I am in Brighton.

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Their representation of Monks's character is really started to bother me now. Is it me, or are they actually portraying him as even more evil than Sikes? He has just threatened a few people and been a bit drunk so far, whereas everytime you see Monks he is brooding and sinister. I guess the roles will reverse come the scene where Bill deals with Nancy, but I don't like how inherently evil they've made Monks. When he appears in the book, his request to Fagin is that Oliver should be pulled into a world of crime irriversibly to counteract some inheritence claim (Oliver must stay pure and out of trouble to get the money). In this adaptation, he's determined to have him killed. I'm not quite sure I see why the BBC have felt the need to mess about with the story so much!

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Yeah I agree and it is this reason, along with those I've already mentioned, that it hasn't improved. In previous Oliver Twist versions, Monks has always been portrayed as a disturbed, almost vunerable individual and, despite doing the dreadful things he does, as an audience you can't help but being sympathetic towards him. But this Monks is awful because he shows no weaknesses or emotion and it just callous and evil. Also I've acrually been disappoined with Sikes. He just doesn't have the aggression and grit previous Skies' Andy Serkis and Oliver Reed have showed. He had sooo much starting potential but hasn't delivered. Even when he murdered Nancy, he was apolegetic!!!!

It just adds to this adaptations many disappointments!!!

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It couldn't have been too sinister - as for the content they had to change to fit in into 3 hours I think.

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What would be the point of all versions being identical? If you want Andy Serkis's or Oliver Reed's Sikes, you might as well just watch those versions.

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I have to say, I really enjoyed it, but I missed the terrifying (at least to me, when I was younger) - spoilers - scene where Sykes accidentally kills himself. That is more harrowing in context of his character. In addition the Monks character seemed really over the top sociopathic - more evil than Sykes, taking away from his character, I think. Perhaps they wanted to balance out the low and upper class evil characters. Even Fagin seems to be portrayed extremely sympathetically. Let me note: I am probably the least knowledgable about other adaptations of Oliver Twist than any one on the board. These aspects just popped out at me while watching.

That said, I found it very exciting, and appreciate everyone's comments.

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Why do people not understand the idea of adaptation? The BBC hasn't sat down and decided to change the storyline ... the writer has decided to put their own spin on it, and bravo. Adaptations do not have to be the same as the source, and in the case of Oliver where you have plenty of choice out there, THANK GOD it isn't the same.

This was different, and all the better for it. I love the book, I love the classic version, and now I love this for being different and bringing its own subtleties.

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yea that was a surprise - doubt bill would actually feel like that but it was a nice touch

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