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Everyday life is boring


I have often said that a good movie must contain an unlikely act, because otherwise it would depict ordinary everyday life, which is boring.

This movie does show ordinary everyday life, progressing very slowly, in parts even very unpleasant, and consequently it is utterly boring. When I showed it, one family member after the other left the home cinema, mumbling that they had better things to do.

I alone held out until the very end, only to be "rewarded" with an abrupt ending of an unfinished story, if you can call this sequence of home videos a story.

There is nothing special about a bad, boring movie, but I am still trying to understand the large difference between my and my family's judgment and that of the critics, who gave the movie a metascore of 100. What boring lives must these critics lead that they find such a boring movie worth watching?

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Here is why I found Boyhood to be thrilling and had a profound emotional effect. I agree with critics who called it a masterpiece. For your reading pleasure.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1065073/board/thread/240989390

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Prescriptive criticism based on assumptions.

I find Oscar Bait infinitely more interesting than ticket bait

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"I find Oscar Bait infinitely more interesting than ticket bait"

I agree wholeheartedly.

However, when I judge movies, I think that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link. If a movie gets an Oscar for the excellent performance of an actor (actually the actor gets the Oscar), but the story is poor, then I still don't want to watch it.

A lot of movies fall through here in spite of their excellent actors, highly impressive scenery or computer graphics, perfect directing and camera, because all of these achievements cannot save a poor story.

I would even go so far to say that I prefer a poorly acted movie with a good story over an excellently made movie with a poor story. Sometimes I think that Hollywood has an acute shortage of good story authors. On other days I think that perhaps many movie-goers go only for the impressive imagery and don't care about the story at all. ("Pacific Rim", "Battleship", "Gravity" come to mind, to name some gorgeous-images science-fiction movies that lack a sensible, believable story.)

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Exactly my thoughts on this film. It was too ordinary and bland. It depicted everyday life. It didn't have a story arc or something gripping.

Drama films should still have a bit of suspense and intriguing scenarios. Look at In The Bedroom and Little Children for instance. This film kinda had their vibe, but it lacked their provocative story. And sorry, the 12 year thing, as good as it was, will NOT compensate a terribly boring narrative...

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DId you read my post? I found this to be a intensely gripping movie. The very strong arc of the movie is not plot driven, but driven by powerful ideas.

Here is the original, where I give an example:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1065073/board/thread/240989390



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Of ocurse everyone has their own opinion, but discounting the opinion of others by ascribing some kind of fake motive you dreamed up ("monkey see, monkey do") is lamentable.

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"it's possible that some just follow their peers."

A lot of things are possible, I suppose, including the idea that your opoinion is not really your opinion, you are just being a jerk for the sake of it. Now doesn't that make you feel better?

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Revisiting a movie is hardly news. Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Is there a human being alive who has not changed their mind about something? If anything, the initial reaction would be considered more 'honest.'

Some opinions are not 'subjective.' "Sister Act Two" or "Joe Dirt" are never going to be hailed as classics of cinema. That's a fact.

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Yes I read the links. People changing their mind about a movie is as old as the hills, and offers no proof that their orignal review was insincere.

What is laughable is the article you linked. He claims opinions are subjective. That's the very definition of subjective, not a fact but an opinion. Awful writing. Maybe Englsih is not his first language.

And I guess you didn't get my joke about Joe Dirt.... so bad that it's a fact, not an opinion.

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Sometimes critics give films bad rating because they missed things. That is totally understandable. If a critic turned a good review into a bad review then I would raise an eyebrow.

Also sometimes when most critics make the same comparison or say the same things it's because it is readily apparent. Also they all went to film school probably so they all read the same stuff and got indoctrinated the same way give or take.

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I have often said that a good movie must contain an unlikely act, because otherwise it would depict ordinary everyday life, which is boring.


I disagree, rather strongly. First with your contention that a film must contain an "unlikely act" and secondly that "everyday life is boring."

You appear to imply that only something "unlikely" can startle us out of boredom. This isn't my experience of life, and I'm sorry if it is yours, but your perception that life is a bore is, thankfully, not shared by everybody. I have no data on how many people find "everyday life" to be boring, but certainly I don't know many such people.

Not to be rude, but I think being "bored" is a choice. It doesn't just happen to you. You choose to be bored, when you could instead choose to do something about it. If you can't change an external reality (for example, I hate waiting in line, but sometimes it can't be avoided -- but I can avoid being BORED while waiting in line). You have inner resources, and so does everyone else. Whether they get used is a different matter.


What boring lives must these critics lead that they find such a boring movie worth watching?


I liked the movie very much and did not find it "boring," and my life isn't boring either. Every day is full of interesting things to do, learn or experience, the only thing I am short of is time. I suspect the critics who liked the film vary in their tolerance of "boredom," but there's no reason to think they lead particularly boring lives. After all, if you like films, being a film reviewer who gets to go to lots of movies and write about them is a pretty good gig.

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I agree to some extent. My expression was inaccurate. What I meant to say is that the depiction of ordinary everyday life in a movie is boring.

It seems though that you would not agree with this either.

And here we are at a crossroads where movie judgments and movie tastes differ. I cannot mete out universal, absolute judgment. I can only say how I perceive the movie. Obviously, many people, including particularly the critics, do not share my movie taste, but I cannot understand why. Have they all grown up under circumstances as miserable as those in the movie? Do they see themselves in the boy?

There is another point that deters me. For this movie they picked a boy who had a life that was both uninteresting (in my view) and unusually unpleasant in parts. Why would I want to see, for example, how a violent alcoholic terrorizes his family? I have never even remotely experienced anything like this. I know that such people exist, but do I want to watch them?

All this also does not really advance the life of the boy in any positive sense. The only thing we can be glad about when watching "Boyhood" is that he did not take more mental damage. I think, to some extent I would have to be a masochist to enjoy this movie.

Yet another point is what the boy actually does. I don't see him doing anything interesting. He seems to react to his environment in a submissive way. The only thing where he sticks out is his photography, but the movie almost tries to suppress this. We get to see it only in very few scenes, he scarcely talks about it, there are no explanations, we hardly get to see any of his photos.

Even meeting the girl in the ending is not his achievement. She descends on him purely by accident. He did not choose her, and she did not choose him. What in the world did the story author think? That finding a partner happens on its own? Here the movie is not even boring, it also becomes unrealistic.

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"many people, including particularly the critics, do not share my movie taste, but I cannot understand why."

I explain why in my post, which I thoughfully link yet again for your convenience:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1065073/board/thread/240989390

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Thanks, I had read it already, but what you explain is mostly some retelling of the movie and pointing out what you like.

Perhaps I do not even understand what is happening, because apparently I live in a different world. For example, the scene you like so much, that you linked to on YouTube. You write, "He is high this whole time, but doesn’t want to announce it." What do you mean by "high"? Do you mean that he took some narcotic drug?

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He was high on marijuana. He had just smoked marijuana in the car. So when he comes into the house and sees that his mom is having a party with friends, he enters a very awkward situation. A teenager smoking marijuana don't want to start interacting with their mom's friends. They might smell it on his breath or detect it by his behavior.

I wasn't simply 'pointing out what I like.' I was explaining an important theme in the movie: The distance between what you think and how you express yourself is monumental in your development, and how you handle that difference makes up your ‘boyhood.’

Repeatedly through the movie, the camera focuses on Mason's reaction to confusing things he sees in the adult world. This is not by chance. It is a crucial part of the movie.

In the Boyhood featurette (10 minutes long, about the making of Boyhood) there must be a dozen examples of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyGuBuLZuNs

I think it's a fascinating liitle film. You shoulk watch it.

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And here we are at a crossroads where movie judgments and movie tastes differ. I cannot mete out universal, absolute judgment. I can only say how I perceive the movie. Obviously, many people, including particularly the critics, do not share my movie taste, but I cannot understand why. Have they all grown up under circumstances as miserable as those in the movie? Do they see themselves in the boy?


This is kind of the problem I'm having with your posts. Your attempting to understand critics is kind of presumptuous at best. The critics have written down their opinions. Maybe that would be a great start.

Even meeting the girl in the ending is not his achievement. She descends on him purely by accident. He did not choose her, and she did not choose him. What in the world did the story author think? That finding a partner happens on its own? Here the movie is not even boring, it also becomes unrealistic.


Not everyone meets their partner in the same way. Sometimes finding a partner happens "on its own." Heck, that even assumes the film intended for the Nicole at the end of the film to be his "partner", not just someone he meets on the way (which is an idea that Linklater is absolutely fascinated with. Half his works are about how people encounter one and another. How strangers open up to each other before moving on).

And you know what? There is an unlikely act in Boyhood. Its not the act of the character but the viewer. The viewer sees 12 years in 3 hours. 12 years of the characters aging in a natural way (due to the script), 12 years of the actors aging, 12 years of society changing.

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I think that's the beauty of the film, even though he suffered through some bad times and it was pretty mundane overall Mason still seemed to he happy and enjoyed himself. The basic elements of life and qualities of society are in and of itself a blessing.

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should just be renamed "the 12 year gimmick movie"

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You're exactly right. Too many films can get away with just being "documentarian," watching characters without any overarching importance, plot or narrative.

Other offenders include 45 Years, The Hurt Locker & The Wolf of Wall Street. None really have any real conflicts. They just follow the characters in their every day lives without any obvious point to it all.

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Other offenders include 45 Years, The Hurt Locker & The Wolf of Wall Street. None really have any real conflicts. They just follow the characters in their every day lives without any obvious point to it all.

At least the two I know of these three movies show you an exotic setting, either Iraq or the situation of a Wall Street trader, so not really average everyday life and instead something most of us have never experienced.

Boyhood shows absolutely nothing out of the ordinary and shows characters that have nothing to offer for me, no interesting ideas, actions, capabilities.

I believe every movie has to have at least one turn in its story that is unusual or unlikely and digresses from the normal, because otherwise it will be boring. Luckily for me almost all movies are like that. The exceptions stick out, negatively.

Still I recognize once again that movie tastes differ widely, and obviously some viewers enjoyed and liked Boyhood for reasons that will remain elusive for me.

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Exotic settings and unfamiliar experiences don't make a movie tolerable. Short Term 12 is very familiar to me and lacks an unusual turn, but its the writing, pacing and acting that elevate it. For me, its a question of what you're expressing and how coherent/consistent the storytelling method is.

The Wolf of Wall Street expresses nothing as a story. Its a 3 hour romp of debauchery without a narrative, unconcerned with rectitude and packed with unlikable, apathetic characters. As a result, I dislike the film and am apathetic to everything about it. The Hurt Locker had interesting aspects but never develops them. Instead, they're dropped as quickly as they occur. In addition, several elements of the Hurt Locker make absolutely no sense, especially of trained EOD soldiers.

Despite disliking Boyhood, it has interesting aspects including things I did and did not experience. The issue is the film stretches into 3 hours, adding in numerous boring/unnecessary scenes, subplots and elements that weaken the story/narrative, which plods. I believe Boyhood was liked by artsy-fartsy critics who like anything non-mainstream, yet it expresses little in comparison to Birdman, Gone Girl, The Imitation Game, Nightcrawler, Whiplash or Selma, which say so much more as films. They also say far more about humanity, society and where America is at as a nation (even the period films from the 40s-60s). You'll also find that Boyhood is less liked outside of the indie, hipster and critic crowds.

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Typical put down of people who have a different opinion, by insult. The critics are paid to have intelligent, thoughtful opinions, and sometimes they disagree with each other. But not really about Boyhood, one of the most critically acclaimed films of the last twenty years. Add that to the industry acclaim and the acclaim of the general public, and all of a sudden you have so many of these 'crowds' that adore the movie, it can no longer be explained away by grouping everyone into a category.

So argue the merits, sure, but spare us the cheap tricks.

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If you bothered to read the post, I did argue the merits of three films including Boyhood but I'll say it again: Boyhood is a boring, plodding film that weakens itself with loads of unnecessary elements that detract from its momentary strengths. For critics and indie fans, it was a masterpiece. To me, its beneath my standards. If that insults you, deal with it.

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The fact is that you can't explain away the near unanimous love for the movie by your insults. And your 'analysis' is simply restating your opinion. Every scene of this movie adds to the depth of the film. In fact, you can't name a scene that doesn't.

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I never insulted anybody. You just took it as an insult because anything other what you think/feel is an assault against your sensitivities.

The political scenes added no depth but depth isn't the issue. Boyhood is a character study requiring the filmmaker to keep the scenes/focus tight to serve a thematic purpose and prevent loose, unfocused, plodding & meandering scene-staging. To me, Boyhood did the latter. Only specific moments such as the domestic violence and friction between Hawke/Coltrane scenes were concise/and striking but it was stretched over plodding scenes like too little butter spread over too much bread. The 12-year shoot gimmick didn't impress me either. I was more impressed by the consistent filming of Apocalypse Now or any Stanley Kubrick film.

Secondly, there many reasons why people loved & hated Boyhood. The socially-relevant, high-brow Oscar-bait realism endeared it to many groups including some millennials, critics, indie fans, hipsters & anti-mainstream cinefiles enjoy. Others hated it for being slow, overlong, boring, pretentious and gimmicky. These are just assessments of a wide range of people/opinions. I tend toward the latter. We also cannot pretend like Boyhood isn't the kind of film critics love. They're rather watch that than Mad Max Fury Road.

Lastly, what compounds dislike into hatred of Boyhood is how it was received. It was just unanimously "loved" without analysis/discussion over why it was "great" or deserving of 99% approval (above many other classics). There was complete dismissal of contrary opinion and obscurity of dissenting opinions, which may explain why some opinions run heatedly contrary.

Now, you can perceive what I'm saying as an insult or repeating my opinion. It makes no difference to me if you do or don't, but if you do, don't bother replying because I'm not going to waste anymore time repeating this.

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"I never insulted anybody"

Patently false. Hipsters? Do you remember calling folks who like this film, hipsters? I will give you some time to reread your own post. If you are not going to face your own writing honeslty, than I am not sure what you are doing.

"Depth isn't the issue."

Ah, I see why you think you are superior to the critics. And then you go on with more insults!

"Oscar-bait realism" is ridiculous. Making a Slice of Life film without a plot is such a far cry from Oscar-bait. Story about someone overcoming a diesease or handicap, maybe. But this?

Again, you continue this post wiht more insults. Stop polluting the internet with more of your mind-farts.

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1. I remember calling the people who liked this film, "millennials, critics, indie fans, hipsters & anti-mainstream cinefiles." That's 5 different groups, not one.

2. Depth is not my issue. My issue is the overlong, boring exposition of the film was unnecessary to serve to a simplistic story about a millennial growing up.

3. It was Oscar-bait. The Academy and BAFTA loved it. Ask The Golden Derby Oscar-betting site. The only reason it lost Best Picture was due to the preferential voting system. If it were simply "vote for your favorite," Boyhood would've won Best Picture. Thank God for the preferential ballot.

4. I'll mind-fart as much as I want in a free country/internet. If you disagree or are insulted, move on. Several people say things on the internet that annoy me. I don't message them about it. So, p!ss off fanboy. Don't message me again. If you do, I won't read it and simply block you. This way, you'll stop wasting my time, and I'll do the same.

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don't bother replying because I'm not going to waste anymore time repeating this.


Yup, I knew you were a poseur when you said you wouldn't respond to me. You don't have the courage of your own convictions. Sad, really. You can't best me because you are too mentally challenged to know when you are out of your depth.

Being nominated does not mean you were 'baiting' for those awards. No great drama, no great issues, no weepy sentimentalism, no 'jokes' or smirkiness or smutiness or violence or fantasy, just the beauty of life in all its messiness with a detailed, almost clinical exploration of what 'boyhood' means. A phenomenal accomplishment from a great, iconoclastic director.

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I think you have too many filters for a good movie to enjoy it for it is. Chances are many good movies will be filtered out.

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