German Hypocrisy


One thing that really bothers me about the Germans (and Europeans in general) is that they constantly bash President Bush and America. And yet, when they choose their entertainment, they eagerly line up like a bunch of morons to lap up the latest Hollywood blockbusters.

Take a look at the top movies in Germany these days. They're all American films. Ditto with the German pop charts: all the top records are American.

Why don't you Europeans put your money where your mouth is? If you hate America so much, why are you so eager to embrace Hollywood's latest product?

I guess I could understand this if Hollywood was going through some kind of Golden Era right now. But the fact is, Hollywood is completely and totally creatively bankrupt these days. I'd say the overall quality of Hollywood films is probably the worst it's ever been in history.

Hollywood is so in-bred, stale, and creatively bankrupt that it has to turn to mediocre comic books ("Batman") and mediocre 1970s TV shows ("Charlie's Angels") for inspiration.

And yet the Germans are all too eager to lap up this mediocre product.
You know one thing I admire about Japan is that they're one of the few nations in the world where the people reject the latest Hollywood dreck in favor of local, home-grown productions. Most of the big box office hits in Japan are local movies.

But the Europeans are all too eager to lap up Hollywood dreck (even as they listen to Britney and Paris and chomp on McDonald's hamburgers).

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ditto, kiss.
somehow I'd like to know from you, thomm, if you have ever been to Europe / Germany and can proof your words.
cause i highly doubt that you can.
what you wrote sounds like a stereotypical meaning Americans might have about Germans, so why can't they have their own about the Americans?

and - just a few words to what you wrote -
there are still a bunch of good German movies, which don't base on American films.
Same with German music.
Not every German eats at McD every day.

It can't rain all the time...

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Hollywood is now everywhere, it's huge multinational corporate power reaches all continents and now much of the hollywood system in intenationally owned... along with that multiplexes and cinemas across Europe have to screen a certain amount of US dreck (as opposed to the continent of America) and US gold... German cinema is going through a revival of sorts, and it's fascinating to note so many good films tackling political issues, history and identity. One of the things I not about thommickel in general, as he notes, is that there is a strand of people who like to assume much about europeans in general... but they would.

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I agree with you in some points, but then "German Hypocrisy" is (even though _meant_ to be provoking) such a generalization that I can't let it pass uncommented ;).

One big example in your favour is how I asked several friends of mine who watched "No Reservations" in cinema whether they knew that it was actually a remake of the German film "Bella Martha" - and not ONE of them had heard of it. What a shame! An original German film that has obviously been noticed in foreign countries (and which wasn't about some bad dark chapter of German past, the Nazis or the GDR) - and the audience (well, at least the 18-year-old cinematically unexperienced audience) seems to simply ignore it.

I think the problem with this topic is the following (if you want to call it a problem): Most German films aren't Hollywood style. There are no big explosions, no car chases, no sexy & funny but meaningless characters. (Everytime I think "Wow, that looks so American but at the same time so German, I'm never gonna watch that", it's only a big "TV event mini-series", but nothing that really makes it to the cinemas.)
Most films (and again I stress: most, not all) have more some kind of Arthouse style - and because this is less "popcorn munching, laughing, going home and never thinking of the movie again", it's harder to consume and therefore less mass-compatible. And that's why many Germans turn to Hollywood films.

Isn't that a great conclusion?

(Then again: I don't want to present myself as one big art-loving Cannes festival goer. I do like Hollywood films, but it's gotta be balanced with "good" films ;).)

Oh, and concerning the music it's the same thing. That part of American music that reaches us (or at least, reaches the German charts which I have really no idea of) is mass-compatible and therefore pretty bad. At least, I've never seen (for example) the Decemberists on the German charts - but I guess they're not on the American charts either, so go figure.

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I find your opinion to be quite unbalanced and if I were an uneducated German who didn't know the U.S I would be tempted to say "typically American".

The thing is that, yes, American pop culture is everywhere, but not to the extent that you think. There are still things in the US that have never become a hit in Germany and also sometimes there are American things that we like better than even Americans do. this applies to all nations in a way. they take some of American pop culture and make it into something of there own.

Also you are forgetting that there are still original things to our culture as well. It is not that all creative heads in Germany have suddenly tilted and we only take what comes from the US.

Lastly and most importantly, I think that you are a bit childish the way you think about Germans. Sure, there is a tendency among Germans (and Europeans in general) to dismiss some Americans as being stupid (mostly those that are mentioned in tabloid stories about which you Americans think the same way). But most people here don't hate Americans or America. People just hate the current government and its leadership. In some cases this might be a bit over the top and dumb, some people like to criticize Bush and blame him for about everything that happens in the world without actually knowing what they are talking about. But most people actually follow the news and think before making up their mind.

So, just because there are many who don't like Bush or his administration it doesn't mean that they hate the U.S. There is a diference between both and I know that Americans (at least before Bush) have a tendency to support their leader even though it is not the one they have voted for, but in Europe, people simply think differently. Just take it as a cultural thing and don't think it is hostile towards you.

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This is the fault of the cinemas and the film distributors, filling our cinemas with American dross. Cinema, outside of America and India, is also shockingly underfunded. If you want to go out to watch a film, about 90% of your choices originate from the U.S., especially if you live outside of London.

As a Brit, I watch a wide range of American, British, Asian and European cinema. I like it that way. (How regularly do you watch non-American films, on average?) And I can still voice my opinions on American politics, because I have that right, despite how often I eat a McDonald's.

How ironic that you've posted this on the board for an internationally successful German film, rather than an American popcorn flick!

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I have no time for American politics, but have time for American art and culture. (Well their tv and films.) Although I usually prefer indie films to Hollywood blockbusters.

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I don't think Germany is an anti-American country. France probably has a higher anti-American sentiment, but I'm not sure about Germany. Plus they probably hate the Bush regime more than the people. The government makes the foreign policies, not the people.

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I don't know why you trolls really bother...

Let's take it slowly so you understand

1. Your President Bush have made people all around the world hate your government.

2. That doesn't mean people hate USA and american culture, when there is something worthwhile to hear or watch.

3. Barack Obama could change Number 1. He's already a superstar in Germany.

3. Hollywood hates George W Bush as well, and so does 75% of the americans, didn't you know?

4. In Europe we like japanese, chinese, indian, european, arab, african, south-american,
and [insert a culture here], heck we even like some of your american culture a lot.
The reason the latter is dominating in the charts is because they have very good marketing.

5. But most of all we like european culture when it can produce excellent films like this one.

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don't know why you trolls really bother...
I have commented on your comments, see below:

Let's take it slowly so you understand

1. Your President Bush have made people all around the world hate your government.

If it is Bush you hate, you aren't a very deep thinker. Kerry, his opposite in 2004, had exactly the same policies overseas - and, as it is turning out, so does Obama - so you have, as so many of the masses have, fallen for the propaganda - the problem is a person, not the policies. I have lived in Germany, and other countries, for many years of my life. Many Germans disliked the US back then, and Bush had nothing to do with it. You, like the students in the movie, are led around by your nose. All it takes is peer pressure and a little media manipulation.

2. That doesn't mean people hate USA and american culture, when there is something worthwhile to hear or watch.

I observed throughout my years outside the US that it was very fashionable to "knock" the US while imitating the styles, culture, etc. My thought - whatever - who really cares how you feel and what you like. I do know that people outside the US send tons of money to Hollywood for absolute garbage. I used to think America had bad taste until I saw what Germans made a "hit" on TV and the radio. Talk about bad taste.


3. Barack Obama could change Number 1. He's already a superstar in Germany.

Right. You are very un-racist in Germany. You show that by supporting a half-black half-white socialist as President of another country. I personally will think you are "un-racist" when I see a German Chancellor that is half African half German or half Turk half German or pure African or Turkish. However, I lived in Berlin and I saw how the Turks were treated by the majority. Clean your house and I'll think you have a valuable opinion of my house. As for Obama changing your opinion of the hating the US, remember, he is only giving "lip service" to change. He is keeping the same people and policies as far as Iraq and Afganistan are concerned, the exact same time table for withdrawal from Iraq. You are, again my friend, being led around by the nose. No wonder Hitler had such an easy time taking power in Germany, You are born suckers for propaganda.


3. Hollywood hates George W Bush as well, and so does 75% of the americans, didn't you know?

Hmmm. Ok, for your second number 3. Hollywood hates Bush, so that means Bush is bad? Think about who is in Hollywood. 1. Actors. What is an actor? Well, an actor is a person who tries to convince you they are something they are not. In other words, a professional liar, the more convincing a liar, the more famous and successful. 2. Writers, people who put words together and get paid large amounts of money for it. If you look at the plots and dialouge of most movies today, not very talented at what they do, nor creative. They most likely feel very guilty about getting paid so much for such crap. 3. Large corporations. Haha. Seeing how almost every movie shows business and corporations as evil and horrible, you tend to forget that Hollywood is made up of businessmen and corporations. Now in all of Hollywood I am having trouble seeing why I would care about the political opinion of any of them more than the janitor at my local grade school. And 75% of "americans" as you say do not "hate" Bush. I think, again, that you have fallen for the propaganda again. You are ripe for the new Hitler, all you need is the media to tell you whom to support.


4. In Europe we like japanese, chinese, indian, european, arab, african, south-american,
and [insert a culture here], heck we even like some of your american culture a lot.
The reason the latter is dominating in the charts is because they have very good marketing.


Yes, I heard all the time from Germans how wonderfully multicultural they are and how tolerant they are. They were so proud of themselves! Very cosmopolitan! Then they would have a few drinks and whisper about how the Jews are different - they really are bad! Ha ha. Got it. Sure, you Germans are great! Again, I believe what I saw - not what I was told. Young people like to act "open" to everything. Reality was how the Turks and Africans were treated by the majority - not very well I must say.

I might add that many Americans are open to entertainment from other cultures - somehow you seem to think we are not. But it is hard for a country like Germany, for example, with its very small market and entertainment industry to produce anywhere near the amount of product that Hollywood does that would have any interest at all for the American market. The reason American culture is dominating in the charts is because it produces a vast amount of entertainment compared to Germany's output and the money spent on production and talent is much greater. Usually one or two films a year from Germany are of interest to the American market, and I must say, for your size and the language difference, that is a good number I would think.

5. But most of all we like european culture when it can produce excellent films like this one.

This film was far from excellent, as others have said, the "true story" of 30 years ago was doctored up to make money. Trust me, read your history, 17 year olds were not the "backbone" of the facist movements of the 1930's & 40's. Nor were the followers or leaders "stupid" or "retards". IMO, that is the problem with movies like this. People who start facistic movements are far from stupid, they manipulate people using propaganda - like Obama. Very slick - I promise change - what change? Well, whatever change you would like. I promise hope - hope for what? Well, whatever hope you would like. Very slick. Please do not mistake me for a McCain supporter - he was basically the same as Obama in what he actually planned to do in the White House. Again, watch Obama. Other than closing Gitmo ( purely a symbolic gesture - it is just a prison, just like the prison they are moving the terrs to in the US) he has so far promised to carry out exactly the same plans as Bush - so ask yourself, why hate Bush and love Obama? Because one is white, and the other is only half-white? Show me some other actual difference - not talk, action.

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Right gringott, the Nazis killed jews, the americans killed indians. What's your point? You wrote the longest post for no point?

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Explain to me the connection between President Bush, Hollywood Blockbusters and this (German) film. Maybe you just chose the wrong board to vent your feelings. Or maybe you saw a successful foreign film and found yourself a bit jealous? Whatever, both America and Germany are great countries with many great people ... but they also have their share of ill-informed idiots. I wonder where you fit, thommickel?

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